Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe

[harmonica]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

And that isn't accurate either......our gun murder deaths...the only ones that count for this.....are concentrated in our democrat controlled cities......the places with the most strict gun control....if you compare apples to apples, states that are similar to European countries.....then the gun murder rates are the same or even less...

very pro-gun St Louis has a much higher rate than NYCity, and higher than Chicago and LA
very pro-gun Missouri has a higher murder rate than CA, NY and IL

this is all cross checked and confirmed by STL being higher on most dangerous cities lists--sometimes number 1
and STL population much, much less --and less dense

Moron......law abiding citizens who own and carry guns are not shooting other people in any of these cities, not even St. Louis...doofus....

What is the problem in St. Louis...the same problem as Baltimore, D.C. and Chicago...democrats who refuse to prosecute and lock up violent gun criminals...


Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why

Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.

At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.

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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.

In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.

isn't Chi, NY, and LA Democratic cities? with strict gun control??? but much, much less murder rates than pro--gun STL

 

[harmonica]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

And that isn't accurate either......our gun murder deaths...the only ones that count for this.....are concentrated in our democrat controlled cities......the places with the most strict gun control....if you compare apples to apples, states that are similar to European countries.....then the gun murder rates are the same or even less...

very pro-gun St Louis has a much higher rate than NYCity, and higher than Chicago and LA
very pro-gun Missouri has a higher murder rate than CA, NY and IL

this is all cross checked and confirmed by STL being higher on most dangerous cities lists--sometimes number 1
and STL population much, much less --and less dense

Houston.....gun stores on every corner, allows open and concealed carry, and right on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Baltimore, extreme gun control laws....tiny compared to Houston.....as far from Mexico as you can get.....

Baltimore has more gun murder than Houston....again, you don't know what you are talking about..

but very pro-gun STL has higher murder rates than very strict, gun-control NYC, CHi and LA

 

[harmonica]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

And that isn't accurate either......our gun murder deaths...the only ones that count for this.....are concentrated in our democrat controlled cities......the places with the most strict gun control....if you compare apples to apples, states that are similar to European countries.....then the gun murder rates are the same or even less...

very pro-gun St Louis has a much higher rate than NYCity, and higher than Chicago and LA
very pro-gun Missouri has a higher murder rate than CA, NY and IL

this is all cross checked and confirmed by STL being higher on most dangerous cities lists--sometimes number 1
and STL population much, much less --and less dense

Houston.....gun stores on every corner, allows open and concealed carry, and right on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Baltimore, extreme gun control laws....tiny compared to Houston.....as far from Mexico as you can get.....

Baltimore has more gun murder than Houston....again, you don't know what you are talking about..

sorry --you shouldn't have mentioned Houston
population 2.3 million 2016 murders 300
very strict gun controlled NYCity population 8.5 million 2016 murders 334 !!!!

As the new year approaches, New York City seems on track to record in 2016 its lowest number of shootings in modern history and the second-lowest homicide total.

Data: NYC shootings, homicides down in 2016

Houston’s murder rate is 50 percent higher than it was in 2011.

Houston murder rate remains at 5-year high

 

[harmonica]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

And that isn't accurate either......our gun murder deaths...the only ones that count for this.....are concentrated in our democrat controlled cities......the places with the most strict gun control....if you compare apples to apples, states that are similar to European countries.....then the gun murder rates are the same or even less...

very pro-gun St Louis has a much higher rate than NYCity, and higher than Chicago and LA
very pro-gun Missouri has a higher murder rate than CA, NY and IL

this is all cross checked and confirmed by STL being higher on most dangerous cities lists--sometimes number 1
and STL population much, much less --and less dense

Houston.....gun stores on every corner, allows open and concealed carry, and right on the border with the narco state of Mexico....

Baltimore, extreme gun control laws....tiny compared to Houston.....as far from Mexico as you can get.....

Baltimore has more gun murder than Houston....again, you don't know what you are talking about..

San Antonio

In 2016, the city of San Antonio ranked first nationally out of 15 of the country’s largest cities for the per capita number of “part 1 offenses”-- the eight crimes the FBI considers the most serious.

These crimes are murder and non-negligent homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, burglary, motor vehicle theft, larceny and arson, according to the FBI

FBI: San Antonio among the most dangerous cities in the U.S.

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

Thanks for the childish response. Your duty is done, now go tell your mommy you need to clean your room.

Children have a 2nd Amendment right to be armed. Now come get my smelly socks and wash them by hand.

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, but arming the teachers so that they can protect those children, now that would be smart. Why do you want kids and teachers to be killed? Why do you demand pain and suffering to further your political agenda? What the hell is wrong with you?

I don’t, I want children armed and protected. They have a 2nd Amendment right to bear arms.

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

Teachers will simply get shot first. Then what?

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

About 3% of those attending my church are concealed weapons carriers in leftard California. Someone comes in looking for trouble their efforts will be very short lived.

So the kids in Sunday School aren’t protected? Are you a leftward or something?

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

The Broward County School has armed guards and protocols in place for dealing with threats. The school holds mass shooting drills. A teacher reported the shooter on site when he walked into the building.

Cruz was still able to shoot more than 30 people and get out of the school without being caught or stopped.

Think if that teacher had a pistol and proper training to take him out, instead of just reporting it. It could've stopped it, with only one death.

They’ll simply start shooting the teachers first. You’re not very bright, are you?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

About 3% of those attending my church are concealed weapons carriers in leftard California. Someone comes in looking for trouble their efforts will be very short lived.

So the kids in Sunday School aren’t protected? Are you a leftward or something?

Didn't I say leave the adults alone?

 

[Taz]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

About 3% of those attending my church are concealed weapons carriers in leftard California. Someone comes in looking for trouble their efforts will be very short lived.

So the kids in Sunday School aren’t protected? Are you a leftward or something?

Didn't I say leave the adults alone?

Children have a 2nd Amendment right to be armed. You just hate children.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

And >64% of those...were suicide.
64% of gun deaths in U.S. are suicides - Futurity

True, but that only makes us look worse:

Apples and oranges. Those a white countries with indigenous populations in the 90th percentile. If we factor in white demographic our rate of incidence is comparable to that of W. Europe. Even with high availability. That is why I noted the changing demography of W. Europe and the increased incidence of gun violence.
The Europeans must first reconcile their immigration issues.
The hard truth that no one wants to tackle is that the rates of gun violence in the black and Latin communities make of the lion share of the homicide statistics whereas the whites make up the lion share of suicide.
Look no further than Latin America where guns are heavily restricted. Look at their rates of gun violence. These are facts.

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Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries

When compared to other low trust cultures in our hemisphere.

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We are no longer a white nation and in many urban areas (where most crime occurs) white are now a minority.

a lot of these have a very very small population ......some small cities in the US have larger populations
the US virgin Islands are not a country--are they?

This is why they use a per capita measure. The US Virgin Islands are unincorporated territories of the US. They possess the same rights as Puerto Rico for example but they are self governing.

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

And >64% of those...were suicide.
64% of gun deaths in U.S. are suicides - Futurity

True, but that only makes us look worse:

Apples and oranges. Those a white countries with indigenous populations in the 90th percentile. If we factor in white demographic our rate of incidence is comparable to that of W. Europe. Even with high availability. That is why I noted the changing demography of W. Europe and the increased incidence of gun violence.
The Europeans must first reconcile their immigration issues.
The hard truth that no one wants to tackle is that the rates of gun violence in the black and Latin communities make of the lion share of the homicide statistics whereas the whites make up the lion share of suicide.
Look no further than Latin America where guns are heavily restricted. Look at their rates of gun violence. These are facts.

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Gun Violence: How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries

When compared to other low trust cultures in our hemisphere.

View attachment 177098 When compared demographically.
We are no longer a white nation and in many urban areas (where most crime occurs) white are now a minority.

bad comparison--
for good statistics --they have to be compared to like subjects
the European countries are more like the US than Latin America

You did not read what I posted. If we examine those groups which commit the vast majority of gun crimes they are not ethnic Europeans. Why would i compare a European country to the US if the demographics do not coincide with the facts on the ground. To compare Europe would be a false comparison.

 

[Rustic]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

Including justified shootings and suicides makes your data bogus.

My father used to take his rifle to school to go rabbit hunting afterwards.

Culture is the issue, not guns.

Yep
Lumping suicide together with murder is lying, It’s fuzzy math Developed by Al gore

 

[Rustic]

Meh...they'll just jump off a building if guns aren't available.

Actually statistics show that there would be fewer suicides without easy access to guns.

Meh...
Suicide is the most cowardly act anyone can do, and has nothing to do with firearms you stupid dolt

 

[Rustic]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

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UPDATED: Comparing Death Rates from Mass Public Shootings and Mass Public Violence in the US and Europe - Crime Prevention Research Center

John Lott is paid by the NRA to provide pro-gun research. His research has not been peer reviewed. Furthermore, no other researchers have been able to duplicate his results. Worse for you, attempts to duplicate his results, have produced a result directly opposite Lott’s results.

Lott sued one publication for defamation for questioning his results and that suit was dismissed, saying that questioning his research wasn’t defamation.

Either rebut the data or take your personal attacks to the shithole with you.

I just did. Your data was bought and paid for by the NRA and it’s false.

The NRA is not pro gun enough...

 

[Rustic]

A narrative busting thread using science, not emotions.

You statistics may be true but it’s worth noting that mass shootings make up a tiny portion of America’s firearm deaths, which totaled more than 33,000 in 2014. On average, there is more than one mass shooting for each day in America.

Another way to look at it:

 

[jknowgood]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

Teachers will simply get shot first. Then what?

How do you figure, since the gunman won't know which teacher is carrying?

 

[jknowgood]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

The Broward County School has armed guards and protocols in place for dealing with threats. The school holds mass shooting drills. A teacher reported the shooter on site when he walked into the building.

Cruz was still able to shoot more than 30 people and get out of the school without being caught or stopped.

Think if that teacher had a pistol and proper training to take him out, instead of just reporting it. It could've stopped it, with only one death.

They’ll simply start shooting the teachers first. You’re not very bright, are you?

Ever hear of a mass shooting where guns are allowed? I believe they pick no gun zones for a reason.

 

[jknowgood]

Let's arm all the children, it's the only way to keep them safe.

No, let teachers carry with proper training. Schools being a gun free zone is stupid.

About 3% of those attending my church are concealed weapons carriers in leftard California. Someone comes in looking for trouble their efforts will be very short lived.

So the kids in Sunday School aren’t protected? Are you a leftward or something?

Didn't I say leave the adults alone?

Children have a 2nd Amendment right to be armed. You just hate children.

Lol, you have to be eighteen to legally own a gun. Go back to your basement .