GaryDog
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Again, I think this is semantics. What you call spirituality, science refers to as consciousness. Animals don't have it. We do. That's all.
FYI, Christians and other theists make the PRECISE argument you just made when I ask for proof of God. "Oh, but WE are proof!" Nonsense. We're just proof of carbon-based life forms evolving.
So you want to call our spirituality by another name? It's the word that bothers you? Let's take the theists out of the argument, I know you don't want to because that's really what your problem is... but let's focus on science. Where do you supposed our "consciousness" evolved from when you admit no other animal has it? Curious anomaly there, isn't it? Oh, I've heard the Atheist explanation of how our brains just happened to develop better... lucky us, right? But it just so happens this "fantasy" you think we have that something is greater than self, has been instrumental in making us who we are.
Regarding Poland before WWII: that's not at all an example of what I'm referring to. In general, cooperation among groups (free trade) is beneficial to all. That doesn't bar the door from war being necessary on occasion.
Poland is one example of billions I could give you. And no, free trade is certainly NOT beneficial to all in general... we're presently having a great debate about free trade and how America is getting screwed with their trade deals.
Again, I will point out that you've still not adequately answered the question of where this concept of universal "good" comes from. Even with cooperation and trade, we must rely on faith in our fellow man. That most will set aside self interest for the "greater good" and through this, we flourish and prosper. It's all rooted in spirit and human spiritual awareness.
Our consciousness evolved across several different hominid species and our version was the only one to survive. Read a science book, dude. It's not an anomaly. Animals have something resembling consciousness (especially other apes), but their brains haven't achieved our level of awareness. It's not a mystery.
There is no definition of "universal good." There never has been. There's a close approximation for most people (be nice to others) and it's not difficult to understand where it came from. I hurt myself, it hurts. I see other people hurt. Empathy. We TRY not to cause others pain, yet we still do. Some refer to "good" and think "blow myself up in the name of 'something bigger than me'". Others, like me, refer to "good" as being nice to other humans. You're creating this fictional universe to fit your theory of "spirituality."