CrimsonWhite
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Independent, non-affiliated voters make up a big portion of the electorate.Thanks for sticking to facts, but that report is from 2004.
A lot has changed since.
State of the States: Political Party Affiliation
Party Affiliation
US Political Parties - 2008 Election - ProCon.org
This is a graphic representation of how counties performed relative to Kerry:
State 2004 2008 Swing Swing Relative to Average
USA R+3 D+7 D+10 0
AL R+26 R+22 D+4 -6
AK R+25 R+22 D+6 -4 (Palin HS)
AZ R+11 R+9 D+2 -8 (McCain HS)
AR R+9 R+20 R+11 -21 (Clinton HS*)
CA D+9 D+24 D+15 +5
CO R+5 D+8 D+13 +3
CT D+10 D+23 D+13 +3
DE D+7 D+23 D+16 +6 (Biden HS)
FL R+5 D+2 D+7 -3
GA R+17 R+5 D+12 +2
HI D+9 D+45 D+36 +26 (Obama HS*)
ID R+39 R+25 D+14 +4
IL D+11 D+25 D+14 +4 (Obama HS)
IN R+21 D+1 D+22 +12
IA R+1 D+9 D+10 0
KS R+25 R+16 D+9 -1
KY R+19 R+17 D+2 -8
LA R+15 R+19 R+4 -14
ME D+9 D+17 D+8 -2
MD D+7 D+23 D+16 +6
MA D+25 D+26 D+1 -9 (Kerry HS)
MI D+3 D+16 D+13 +8
MN D+3 D+10 D+7 -3
MS R+20 R+14 D+6 -4
MO R+7 R+1 D+6 -4
MT R+20 R+3 D+17 +7
NE R+33 R+17 D+16 +6
NV R+3 D+12 D+15 +5
NH D+1 D+9 D+8 -2
NJ D+8 D+15 D+7 -3
NM R+1 D+15 D+16 +6
NY D+19 D+25 D+6 -4 (Clinton HS)
NC R+12 D+1 D+12 +3 (Edwards HS)
ND R+27 R+8 D+19 +9
OH R+2 D+4 D+6 -4
OK R+32 R+32 None -10
OR D+4 D+16 D+12 +2
PA D+2 D+10 D+8 -2
RI D+22 D+28 D+6 -4
SC R+17 R+9 D+8 -2
SD R+21 R+8 D+13 +3
TN R+14 R+15 R+1 -11
TX R+23 R+10 D+13 +3 (Bush HS)
UT R+46 R+29 D+17 +7
VT D+20 D+35 D+15 +5
VA R+8 D+6 D+14 +4
WA D+7 D+17 D+10 0
WV R+13 R+13 None -10
WI D+1 D+13 D+12 +2
WY R+40 R+32 D+8 -2 (Cheney HS)
Your graphic doesn't represent a 20% increase in non major party affiliate voters.
In 2008 those voters split their votes for President, had no real 3rd party choice. Only a very small % of total electorate voted for other than Rep or Dem.
(hope this graph copies over okay....).
I'm wishing for a decent 3rd option - or in the event of a GOP collapse, a better 2nd option. It will have a positive, moderating impact upon American politics. We've had too much one party rule and 2 party bickerring.
We need more adult supervision in government.
United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Grand total
Popular vote totals are from the official final state tallies as detailed in the state-by-state "Popular vote" table below. The electoral vote totals were certified by Congress on January 8, 2009.[117]
Presidential candidate Party Home state Popular vote Electoral
vote Running mate Running mate's
home state Running mate's
electoral vote
Count Pct
Barack Obama Democratic Illinois 69,456,897 52.92% 365 Joe Biden Delaware 365
John McCain Republican Arizona 59,934,814 45.66% 173 Sarah Palin Alaska 173
Ralph Nader Independent Connecticut 738,475 0.56% 0 Matt Gonzalez California 0
Bob Barr Libertarian Georgia 523,686 0.40% 0 Wayne Allyn Root Nevada 0
Chuck Baldwin Constitution Florida 199,314 0.15% 0 Darrell Castle Tennessee 0
Cynthia McKinney Green California 161,603 0.12% 0 Rosa Clemente North Carolina 0
Other 226,908 0.17% Other
Total 131,257,328 100% 538 538
Needed to win 270 270
Okay, so your wikipedia info shows a 29% independent vote. That still isn't the over 40% that Guns claimed it to be. My original point was that he can't just make shit up to fit his argument.