Conservative. Liberal. Democrat. Republican. Left Wing. Right Wing.

[PoliticalChic]

I really cant believe that anybody could be strictly one sided. Agreeing and believing every single thing that each group does is unbelievable. I was reading the list of beliefs for republican, and I was like, "ok, that's cool, ok, I can agree with that" then the next one was like how is that even on the list, it doesn't even make sense to the others on the list.
I just cant see any one person can actually believe and agree with a every single political groups believes, philosophy, ideologies, and whatever else?
I agree with things from every group and disagree with things from every group.

How's this for the basis of conservative beliefs...

individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

 

[Kosh]

Recently I have been called a left winger, right winger, Liberal, etc, etc, etc. For any reason. So I did a little research, and to come to find out, there is not one I fully agree with. I may agree with ones philosophy, the other ideologies, another ones ideas, and another economic coordination, and disagree with others.
So what if you don't fully agree with any of them?
What would you be considered?
Is there a neutral?
Something in between, that agrees and disagrees with a little of each one?

Well it is ironic that the far left try and make the word conservative as a dirty word, yet all those on the far left are conservative by nature.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I believe that this applies to your post...see what you think:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states:
“ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

Everyone should read On the duty of Civil Disobedience.

On the Duty of Civil Disobedience - Henry David Thoreau

 

[Natural Citizen]

How's this for the basis of conservative beliefs...

individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Very good.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Easy Observation:

Democrats: Gangs, violent Antifa Rioters, Terrorist sympathizers, Sanctuary Cities for illegal alien criminals, Klan, Nation of Islam, La Raza, Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, racist Aztlán Nationalist, racist BLM separatist, deranged men in the women’s restrooms, ghettos, failed schools, cop killers, Mexican drug cartel, human traffickers, high school drop-out losers, crime, corruption, drive-by shootings, race riots, Mafia, mass voter fraud....….

Republicans: Chamber of Commerce, PTA, Rotary Club, American Legion, 4H Club, Lion’s Club, Boy Scouts, Little League, VFW, great neighborhoods, good schools, National Honor Society, Junior League…… juuuuust grilling and chilling…..

 

[ChrisL]

Recently I have been called a left winger, right winger, Liberal, etc, etc, etc. For any reason. So I did a little research, and to come to find out, there is not one I fully agree with. I may agree with ones philosophy, the other ideologies, another ones ideas, and another economic coordination, and disagree with others.
So what if you don't fully agree with any of them?
What would you be considered?
Is there a neutral?
Something in between, that agrees and disagrees with a little of each one?

Yes, it's called a centrist or a moderate.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I believe that this applies to your post...see what you think:

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states:
“ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”

Everyone should read On the duty of Civil Disobedience.

On the Duty of Civil Disobedience - Henry David Thoreau

You and I have.....but, for the purposes of 99% of the debate that goes on here, on the board, I have always recommended the following readings:

1. "Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline,"
by Robert H. Bork

2. "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change,"
by Jonah Goldberg

3. "American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character,"
by Diana West



They provide the context for the world in which we life and function.


I might add

 

[Natural Citizen]

You and I have.....but, for the purposes of 99% of the debate that goes on here, on the board, I have always recommended the following readings:

1. "Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline,"
by Robert H. Bork

2. "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change,"
by Jonah Goldberg

3. "American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character,"
by Diana West



They provide the context for the world in which we life and function.


I might add

I haven't read any of those. In fact, I haven't read many modern books over the last few years.

My personal recommendation is The American Ideal of 1776 - The Twelve Basic American Principles by Hamilton Abert Long, ©1976

Mandatory reading, in my view. The site is a work in progress, but permission was granted by the Author's estate for inclusion.

Foreword: ''Intelligent choice--between 1776 Americanism and conflicting Isms (chiefly Socialism in the USA today)--requires primarily thorough knowledge of these Principles.

The book is the essential tool for all who wish to be worthy trustees for today’s children and future generations of their just heritage: this Ideal, its eternal values and the supporting Constitution, as The Founders intended. They believed to default about this is to betray. (emphasis the author's)''

You can pick it up on Amazon or Ebay but be forwarned it is very expensive to buy an original hard cover. They're rare.

 

[iceberg]

Recently I have been called a left winger, right winger, Liberal, etc, etc, etc. For any reason. So I did a little research, and to come to find out, there is not one I fully agree with. I may agree with ones philosophy, the other ideologies, another ones ideas, and another economic coordination, and disagree with others.
So what if you don't fully agree with any of them?
What would you be considered?
Is there a neutral?
Something in between, that agrees and disagrees with a little of each one?

You might be called "center", it depends, or you can split things up. When you find people who are hard core one thing, you kind of know they aren't actually using their brain, just accepting and defining themselves within someone else's parameters.

That's a hasty generalization.

Is it?

Have you ever found anyone with pre-set ideas that uses their brain? I certainly haven't and there are plenty of examples on this forum to prove it.

You can't say how they all came to their ideas. I'm confident in mine currently but that doesn't mean I haven't come to them through careful consideration and learning.

No, I can't. So I generalize. Is there anything wrong with that?

However those I have spoken to are generally partisan hacks who will argue their case no matter the evidence in front of them. They want their "side" to be right and will push for that and ignore everything else.

so because they see the "evidence" differently than you, THEY are the hacks and wrong. you want to be right as much as they do.

all there is to it.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

No. Not in scope. That's actually why I used the example that I did. They're just socialists who think they're not. People are easily confused. They do it to themselves. And, of course, there are those who take advantage of their shortcomings. I'd just mentioned that in one of the anti-free market threads.

Anyway. Whuheva. Proceed...

you can talk till you are blue in the face,there is no one who will convince me that there is no far left or far right....when your mantra is "if you dont like what i like,and if you dont agree with me,then fuck you,i have no use for you".....then you are either far right or far left....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

By your language, it seems I hit a nerve, Harry.

Simple enough for you to prove your point and disprove mine....if you can:

There is no "Far Right" in this country.
As is always important when dealing with hot topics that run counter to popular belief....let's define terms.


The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..


6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

give me a break PC.....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are,how they dont care what you think,because you dont agree with them,so that makes you a lessor person then they are,if you dont like what they want you must be either anti-american or the dreaded liberal,then you are far right,if you dont like that term,if it bothers you, than you might be one.....we have bunch of posters here just like what described....

 

[ChrisL]

OP, this is a place where most of the people are all in one side or the other. They don't know the meaning of "moderation."

 

[ChrisL]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

No. Not in scope. That's actually why I used the example that I did. They're just socialists who think they're not. People are easily confused. They do it to themselves. And, of course, there are those who take advantage of their shortcomings. I'd just mentioned that in one of the anti-free market threads.

Anyway. Whuheva. Proceed...

you can talk till you are blue in the face,there is no one who will convince me that there is no far left or far right....when your mantra is "if you dont like what i like,and if you dont agree with me,then fuck you,i have no use for you".....then you are either far right or far left....

Meh, that is more of a human flaw than having anything to do with politics necessarily though. Everyone WANTS to be right. It's more the ideas that they espouse that determine whether they are far left or far right.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

By your language, it seems I hit a nerve, Harry.

Simple enough for you to prove your point and disprove mine....if you can:

There is no "Far Right" in this country.
As is always important when dealing with hot topics that run counter to popular belief....let's define terms.


The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..


6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

give me a break PC.....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are,how they dont care what you think,because you dont agree with them,so that makes you a lessor person then they are,if you dont like what they want you must be either anti-american or the dreaded liberal,then you are far right,if you dont like that term,if it bothers you, than you might be one.....we have bunch of posters here just like what described....

Harry, I function via facts and logic.

Usually, you do to.

It's a very simple exercise that I've suggested:

And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.




"....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are..."

Examples, Harry?

Would it help define the debate if I point out that not only has the Democrat Party always been the party of slavery, segregation, and second class citizenship. but the personification of the party, Bill Clinton has been a life-long racist.

You can challenge me to prove that, and I will.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

No. Not in scope. That's actually why I used the example that I did. They're just socialists who think they're not. People are easily confused. They do it to themselves. And, of course, there are those who take advantage of their shortcomings. I'd just mentioned that in one of the anti-free market threads.

Anyway. Whuheva. Proceed...

you can talk till you are blue in the face,there is no one who will convince me that there is no far left or far right....when your mantra is "if you dont like what i like,and if you dont agree with me,then fuck you,i have no use for you".....then you are either far right or far left....

Meh, that is more of a human flaw than having anything to do with politics necessarily though. Everyone WANTS to be right. It's more the ideas that they espouse that determine whether they are far left or far right.

as far as i know we are talking within the political realm in this thread.....and that being said there are some people who can actually get along with others with differing views ....the far right and left?.....i seriously doubt they can.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

By your language, it seems I hit a nerve, Harry.

Simple enough for you to prove your point and disprove mine....if you can:

There is no "Far Right" in this country.
As is always important when dealing with hot topics that run counter to popular belief....let's define terms.


The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..


6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

give me a break PC.....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are,how they dont care what you think,because you dont agree with them,so that makes you a lessor person then they are,if you dont like what they want you must be either anti-american or the dreaded liberal,then you are far right,if you dont like that term,if it bothers you, than you might be one.....we have bunch of posters here just like what described....

Harry, I function via facts and logic.

Usually, you do to.

It's a very simple exercise that I've suggested:

And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.




"....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are..."

Examples, Harry?

Would it help define the debate if I point out that not only has the Democrat Party always been the party of slavery, segregation, and second class citizenship. but the personification of the party, Bill Clinton has been a life-long racist.

You can challenge me to prove that, and I will.

bigoted righties?.....shootspeeders,steve magarret,tipsycatlover,pismo...thats just what i can remember right here,let me go through some threads im sure i will grab many more....

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

By your language, it seems I hit a nerve, Harry.

Simple enough for you to prove your point and disprove mine....if you can:

There is no "Far Right" in this country.
As is always important when dealing with hot topics that run counter to popular belief....let's define terms.


The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..


6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

give me a break PC.....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are,how they dont care what you think,because you dont agree with them,so that makes you a lessor person then they are,if you dont like what they want you must be either anti-american or the dreaded liberal,then you are far right,if you dont like that term,if it bothers you, than you might be one.....we have bunch of posters here just like what described....

Harry, I function via facts and logic.

Usually, you do to.

It's a very simple exercise that I've suggested:

And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.




"....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are..."

Examples, Harry?

Would it help define the debate if I point out that not only has the Democrat Party always been the party of slavery, segregation, and second class citizenship. but the personification of the party, Bill Clinton has been a life-long racist.

You can challenge me to prove that, and I will.

bigoted righties?.....shootspeeders,steve magarret,tipsycatlover,pismo...thats just what i can remember right here,let me go through some threads im sure i will grab many more....

Harry.....individual positions with which you disagree is not the same as political positions by major parties.


Time for a mid-course review.
The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.
The thesis is based on the definitions involved:

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."


"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)

It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.



So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,

LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..

6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.

8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,
"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.

Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???

Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.

9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"

Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???

Could there?


10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.
A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

 

[MPS777]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

Ok so let’s first summarize some of your beliefs:
1. Conservativism is associated with “the right” on your scale.
2. You say conservative beliefs are “individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government”
3. You say ‘the right’ is comprised of the “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”

The first problem is 2 and 3 are not the same thing. The variables of individualism and ‘free markets’ have a much broader range then the attitudes and beliefs of the founders. Second, are we talking about following the limited constitutional government that the founders agreed to, or the constitution of 1871, or the constitution of 2017? Because the constitution underwent a fundamental transformation as a result of the civil war. The constitution of today would not have been ratified by the founders, so probably runs counter to “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”.

But let’s return to individualism and free markets. You’ve asserted that greater magnitudes of these translate to greater degrees of 'rightness' on your scale. Now the founders can’t represent the extreme right of that scale because they put limitations on individualism and free markets. Many of them believed that some individuals didn’t deserve liberty because of their race. Many of them believed that some individuals didn’t deserve the right to vote because of their sex. Many of them infringed on individual liberty by passing blasphemy laws, sodomy laws, fornication laws, laws seeking ‘fault’ for divorce. Nor did the founders practice completely 'free markets'; slavery and tariffs are the most glaring examples.

So let’s then probe the extreme “right” ends of individualism and free markets, using your scale, where greater magnitudes of individualism and free markets represent being further right on the scale. In the extreme, individuals would be permitted to produce, consume, and sell to anyone, any substance (including drugs), without any legal restriction. Prostitution would be fully legal without restriction. Gay marriage would be fully legal without restriction and thus without any legal preferences or definitions. There would be no tariffs or barriers to trade. Well what do ya know, there are people, people within this country, who believe these very things. They’re called libertarians, they have views that diverge greatly from “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”, and thus they exist on the “far right” USING YOUR OWN SCALE.

Therefore, when you assert:
>>>”There is no Far Right in this county”
It is false.

Oh and your little “challenge” that you keep copy/pasting looks as silly as ever. I demonstrated how it reduces to absurdity. Like a crazy guy in a back alley that runs out and confronts passers by on the street with a ‘challenge’… He proclaims, “I challenge you to find a triangle that isn’t a triangle!”. The subjects of his challenge just shake their heads and keep walking, and with great pride he says to himself, “see, I won, they couldn’t do it!”

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ancaps are far right. Then again, some ancaps are far left, too. They're all sorts of scwewy. It's an oxymoron anyway.

There is no Far Right in this county.....only Far Left.

Ok so let’s first summarize some of your beliefs:
1. Conservativism is associated with “the right” on your scale.
2. You say conservative beliefs are “individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government”
3. You say ‘the right’ is comprised of the “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”

The first problem is 2 and 3 are not the same thing. The variables of individualism and ‘free markets’ have a much broader range then the attitudes and beliefs of the founders. Second, are we talking about following the limited constitutional government that the founders agreed to, or the constitution of 1871, or the constitution of 2017? Because the constitution underwent a fundamental transformation as a result of the civil war. The constitution of today would not have been ratified by the founders, so probably runs counter to “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”.

But let’s return to individualism and free markets. You’ve asserted that greater magnitudes of these translate to greater degrees of 'rightness' on your scale. Now the founders can’t represent the extreme right of that scale because they put limitations on individualism and free markets. Many of them believed that some individuals didn’t deserve liberty because of their race. Many of them believed that some individuals didn’t deserve the right to vote because of their sex. Many of them infringed on individual liberty by passing blasphemy laws, sodomy laws, fornication laws, laws seeking ‘fault’ for divorce. Nor did the founders practice completely 'free markets'; slavery and tariffs are the most glaring examples.

So let’s then probe the extreme “right” ends of individualism and free markets, using your scale, where greater magnitudes of individualism and free markets represent being further right on the scale. In the extreme, individuals would be permitted to produce, consume, and sell to anyone, any substance (including drugs), without any legal restriction. Prostitution would be fully legal without restriction. Gay marriage would be fully legal without restriction and thus without any legal preferences or definitions. There would be no tariffs or barriers to trade. Well what do ya know, there are people, people within this country, who believe these very things. They’re called libertarians, they have views that diverge greatly from “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”, and thus they exist on the “far right” USING YOUR OWN SCALE.

Therefore, when you assert:
>>>”There is no Far Right in this county”
It is false.

Oh and your little “challenge” that you keep copy/pasting looks as silly as ever. I demonstrated how it reduces to absurdity. Like a crazy guy in a back alley that runs out and confronts passers by on the street with a ‘challenge’… He proclaims, “I challenge you to find a triangle that isn’t a triangle!”. The subjects of his challenge just shake their heads and keep walking, and with great pride he says to himself, “see, I won, they couldn’t do it!”

"Ok so let’s first summarize some of your beliefs:
1. Conservativism is associated with “the right” on your scale.
2. You say conservative beliefs are “individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government”
3. You say ‘the right’ is comprised of the “the values, attitudes and beliefs of the Founders”"


Excellent.

 

[Harry Dresden]

bullshit.....they both exist and are dragging this country down with their tit for tat bullshit....

By your language, it seems I hit a nerve, Harry.

Simple enough for you to prove your point and disprove mine....if you can:

There is no "Far Right" in this country.
As is always important when dealing with hot topics that run counter to popular belief....let's define terms.


The terms far right and far left are relative to some understood center.

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."



"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)


So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,
LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..


6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

give me a break PC.....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are,how they dont care what you think,because you dont agree with them,so that makes you a lessor person then they are,if you dont like what they want you must be either anti-american or the dreaded liberal,then you are far right,if you dont like that term,if it bothers you, than you might be one.....we have bunch of posters here just like what described....

Harry, I function via facts and logic.

Usually, you do to.

It's a very simple exercise that I've suggested:

And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.




"....when you have righties showing how bigoted they are..."

Examples, Harry?

Would it help define the debate if I point out that not only has the Democrat Party always been the party of slavery, segregation, and second class citizenship. but the personification of the party, Bill Clinton has been a life-long racist.

You can challenge me to prove that, and I will.

bigoted righties?.....shootspeeders,steve magarret,tipsycatlover,pismo...thats just what i can remember right here,let me go through some threads im sure i will grab many more....

Harry.....individual positions with which you disagree is not the same as political positions by major parties.


Time for a mid-course review.
The is no Far Right in this nation....but there certainly is a Far Left.
The thesis is based on the definitions involved:

To be "far," one's positions must be radical relative to that center.
American traditions, values, and history represent that center.


The premise here is that, if I can show that the values called 'Far Right' are actually at the center of American traditions, values, and history represent that center, well then, they cannot be correctly awarded the modifier "Far."


"Radical" is important to the discussion. It means "especially of change or action relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough" (see Google.)

It's what the radical Obama was getting at when he said “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” — Barack Obama, October 30, 2008. “
Transforming from the positions that America was built on.



So far, I've given these examples of traditionally American positions...the 'center' against which to compare the positions.

Radical positions as opposed to traditional ones identify "Far" Left



1. ... traditional marriage, that involves one man and one woman, and compare that with homosexual marriage.. Which one is radical?

2. Another of those positions under regular discussion is 'prayer' in the public arena....Congress opens each year with prayer. Opposing prayer is radical....religiosity is traditional in America.

3. Is 'free speech' embraced by one side, and opposed by the other? You betcha! Obama's Supreme Court nominee says it would be be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.

Starting to see a pattern?

4. While we were founded on the biblical idea that all men are created equal,

LBJ advanced a two-class nation based on skin color.
....this radical view was advanced: affirmative action. Hence, Democrats....the Far Left.

5. Here's one more radical position by the Left....fighting to elect a sexual pervert and admitted liar and disbarred lawyer to the White House: Bill Clinton
Relative to American traditions, values, and history ...championing a man of such low character is a radical position.
Hence, Far Left..

6. Franklin Roosevelt threw the United States Constitution under the bus, and used the public fisc for all sorts of endeavors not authorized in Article 1, section 8.

A radical and Progressive position.

He was the ultimate "Far Leftist."

7. Under Franklin Roosevlet the federal government was transformed from one of limited & enumerated powers only to the Frankensteinian monster it is today. ....the regulatory welfare state where the federal government regulates business and commerce, natural resources, human resources, ...
Under the Progressives, the federal government was no longer limited by the enumerated powers delegated in the Constitution; ...

Radical to the utmost....hence Far Left.

8. Under Roosevelt's NRA, most manufacturing industries were suddenly forced into government-mandated cartels. Codes that regulated prices and terms of sale briefly transformed much of the American economy into a fascist-style arrangement,
"... into a fascist-style arrangement,..."
"A New Jersey tailor named Jacob Maged was arrested and sent to jail for the “crime” of pressing a suit of clothes for 35 cents rather than the NRA-inspired “Tailor’s Code” of 40 cents."
No surprise here: FDR's New Deal was a copy of Mussolini's economic program.

Could anything short of setting up concentration camps for our citizens, be more radical???

Oh...wait....he did build concentration camps for innocent civilians....his own citizens.

9. How about The Far Left's Gender-Agenda., versus the Right's stand for tradition and reality: "Republicans Battle to Roll Back Washington's New Transgender Bathroom Rules"

Really....could there be a more pertinent example of the radical, insane Far Left's corruption of tradition and history???

Could there?


10. The corruption of the press by the Far Left: the JournoList Scandal: hundreds of Leftist journalists plotted to minimize negative publicity surrounding Obama’s radical ties. They plotted to smear the other side with lies. Peter Zenger....spinnning in his grave.
A clear affront to the honor bestowed on the press by the first amendment.



And several times, I've presented this challenge: If you have used the fallacy "Far Right," or never considered its usage, see if you can come up with any radical positions by conservatives, the right wing.



Still waiting.

then we are talking 2 different things.....i dont give a shit about the bullshit that the parties tell you,i go by the attitudes of the people,the people are out here in the real world....and in the real world there are far right assholes as well as far left assholes....they only care about what they want,your opinion doesnt matter.....and those posters i mentioned are exactly like i described them.....