Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

And is a liberal is caught burning down a building he will say he has a right to do so....dumbass.

Actually that would be the conservative using the constitution claiming they have the right to free expression or they are celebrating part of their heritage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

Says who?

NBER

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.

It's not played out its historical fact and I bet you belive people like LBJ weren't racist

Yes, LBJ was a racist -- This is what Obama said about LBJ:

Obama said that during Johnson’s "first 20 years in Congress, he opposed every civil rights measure that came up for a vote."

Then something happened -- LBJ whipped votes in order to get the Civil Rights and Voting Rights bills passed -- losing the racist democrats of the south for many decades to come.

You see, as James Baldwin said -- I don't care whether you love me or hate me, I only care what policies you implement. So even if it was a rabid racist who signed a bill expanding Medicare to everyone, healthcare will still be expanded to everyone.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

Democrats who were conservative -- and then due to being upset about the way their president whipped votes and twisted arms to get the Civil Rights act passed -- they switched over to the Republican party and has remained there ever since..

The fact you keep avoiding that fact only highlights your blatant dishonesty.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

Democrats who were conservative -- and then due to being upset about the way their president whipped votes and twisted arms to get the Civil Rights act passed -- they switched over to the Republican party and has remained there ever since..

The fact you keep avoiding that fact only highlights your blatant dishonesty.

No they did not switch parties everyone of your so called "Conservative" Democrats stayed in the party all of their lives except for Strom Thurmond.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

Democrats who were conservative -- and then due to being upset about the way their president whipped votes and twisted arms to get the Civil Rights act passed -- they switched over to the Republican party and has remained there ever since..

The fact you keep avoiding that fact only highlights your blatant dishonesty.

No they did not switch parties everyone of your so called "Conservative" Democrats stayed in the party all of their lives except for Strom Thurmond.

So you want to keep being dishonest ?

Cool, you left out Jesse Helms, Floyd Spence, Howard Callaway, Trent Lott, David Duke --- but people like you keep thinking R & D means something when the truth of the matter is -- the real shift was the ideological shift and no matter how much you cream your panties about how the democrats started the KKK -- you can't get around the fact that shit conservatives opine about today was the same shit conservatives back then wanted.

Democrats purged most of those racists due to the policies they ran -- GOP welcomed those racists with open arms because of the policies they pushed. period.

 

[Faun]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

So? The cost to our economy persisted beyond that date. Jobs were still being lost during the remainder of that year. Ultimately about 9 million jobs were lost from Bush’s Great Recession and it took about 4 years just to break even. That’s 6 years of lost revenue. Trillions of dollars lost in the housing markets, more lost revenue. Another trillion to keep the economy afloat.

Much of the debt under Obama was derectly due the the collapsed economy Bush handed him.

 

[Faun]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

Democrats who were conservative -- and then due to being upset about the way their president whipped votes and twisted arms to get the Civil Rights act passed -- they switched over to the Republican party and has remained there ever since..

The fact you keep avoiding that fact only highlights your blatant dishonesty.

No they did not switch parties everyone of your so called "Conservative" Democrats stayed in the party all of their lives except for Strom Thurmond.

Oh, please, the south, especially the Bible Belt, has always been far more conservative than the north.

 

[Wyatt earp]

I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!

LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.

Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again.

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.​

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

 

[Wyatt earp]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

Show us a liberal store owner?

 

[Wyatt earp]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

I don't believe you read the OP -- if you did, can you refute this part?

"And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration"

Can you name more than 2 democrats in Congress that is running against women's rights, gay rights, SS and Medicare??

No it was Democrats who fought against those things and in less than a decade they were suddenly for them, bullshit they realized they would never win another national election again. There is no right to murder a child, I don't give a shit about gay rights the problem is you Democrats want to give them rights above and beyond others. Social Security is the biggest ponzi scheme in history and the Government has no business in health care.

Democrats who were conservative -- and then due to being upset about the way their president whipped votes and twisted arms to get the Civil Rights act passed -- they switched over to the Republican party and has remained there ever since..

The fact you keep avoiding that fact only highlights your blatant dishonesty.

Name them...only three

 

[Faun]

LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.

Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again.

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.​

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

True, it was Republicans too.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

 

[Wyatt earp]

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.

Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again.

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.​

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

True, it was Republicans too.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

Everything is fine George with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ~ Barney Frank

 

[Faun]

Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again.

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.​

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

True, it was Republicans too.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

Everything is fine George with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ~ Barney Frank

So? Frank was wrong. He was but one member of the minority party.

Meanwhile, Bush was bragging about Republican policies filling up homes in America...

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

 

[Wyatt earp]

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

True, it was Republicans too.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

Everything is fine George with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ~ Barney Frank

So? Frank was wrong. He was but one member of the minority party.

Meanwhile, Bush was bragging about Republican policies filling up homes in America...

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

So we going to have to start this fight again?


Barney was the chairman of the house financial services it was his job

And he didn't listen to Bush jr.

And fuck you the democrats controlled congress in 2007.
.

 

[Faun]

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

It takes years... and it wasn't Bush jr.

True, it was Republicans too.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

Everything is fine George with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac ~ Barney Frank

So? Frank was wrong. He was but one member of the minority party.

Meanwhile, Bush was bragging about Republican policies filling up homes in America...

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

So we going to have to start this fight again?


Barney was the chairman of the house financial services it was his job

And he didn't listen to Bush jr.

And fuck you the democrats controlled congress in 2007.
.

You fucking imbecile... Barney Frank was in the minority party when he said the quote you attributed to him.

And to educate you, the minority party does not chair any committees in the House.

In reality, which you know nothing about, Frank didn’t chair the House Financial Services Committee until 2007; by which point, Bush and Republican policies had already cratered the credit markets following years of lenders writing bad loans. The damage was done by the time Democrats took control of the Congress in 2007. Just a few months later, New Century Financial declared bankruptcy after collapsing by the weight of years of toxic loans.

And by the way, shortly after taking control of that committee on 2007, Frank sponsored banking reform in the House, which passed and moved on to the Senate. Though it would prove to be too little too late.

So yeah, let’s have this argument again — you’ll lose it like you do every time.

”Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all-time high!” ~ George Walker Bush

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

So? The cost to our economy persisted beyond that date. Jobs were still being lost during the remainder of that year. Ultimately about 9 million jobs were lost from Bush’s Great Recession and it took about 4 years just to break even. That’s 6 years of lost revenue. Trillions of dollars lost in the housing markets, more lost revenue. Another trillion to keep the economy afloat.

Much of the debt under Obama was derectly due the the collapsed economy Bush handed him.

The cost to our economy persisted beyond that date. Jobs were still being lost during the remainder of that year.

Absolutely.
And what did Obama do to encourage business?
Was it his increased regulations?