Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

[IM2]

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.

It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.

It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

It's out of trumps league, but we see it, don't you?

 

[IM2]

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.

It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

It's out of trumps league, but we see it, don't you?

When Trump ended Dodd-Frank he created the possibility of this happening gain.

 

[Wyatt earp]

It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

It's out of trumps league, but we see it, don't you?

When Trump ended Dodd-Frank he created the possibility of this happening gain.

Poor people are buying houses again big time, they can't afford them..thanks to Obama.

Trump that idiot, is going to have to figure it out

 

[IM2]

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

It's out of trumps league, but we see it, don't you?

When Trump ended Dodd-Frank he created the possibility of this happening gain.

Poor people are buying houses again big time, they can't afford them..thanks to Obama.

Trump that idiot, is going to have to figure it out

Not going to keep arguing this with your dumb ass. If ARMS aren't used, you won't have a crash. If ARMS are packaged as securities so those selling ARMS can make more money, then it will.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again

I'd have no problem if it were true. But the thing is, Obama isn't president anymore.

It's out of trumps league, but we see it, don't you?

When Trump ended Dodd-Frank he created the possibility of this happening gain.

Poor people are buying houses again big time, they can't afford them..thanks to Obama.

Trump that idiot, is going to have to figure it out

Not going to keep arguing this with your dumb ass. If ARMS aren't used, you won't have a crash. If ARMS are packaged as securities so those selling ARMS can make more money, then it will.

So you are reporting me to the mods yet you are using vulgar language?

Caught you..

I was waiting for this.

 

[Faun]

I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!

LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.

Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again.

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.​

Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

LOL

First, conservative cult members tried to remove all blame of Bush’s Great Recession from Bush ..... now they’re trying to pin blame of a non-existent recession on Obama.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stuff it Jethro. Take yo nigg*a ass back to the bush. You are a lazy, hate filled piece of shit. As a Conservative the ONLY thing that embarrasses me is you calling yourself an American Nobody ever owned you, you were never a slave and the fact the you are appropriating the culture of those that were makes you one more dumbass nigg*a. You are a disgrace to hard working blacks everywhere.

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives.

Radicals who wanted low taxes and freedom. That makes them conservatives.

I thought we could not apply todays thinking to the past. After all you weren't there, you threw no tea into the harbor, so you have no claim to make.

I thought we could not apply todays thinking to the past.

You so rarely apply any thinking, so you've got that going for you.

After all you weren't there, you threw no tea into the harbor, so you have no claim to make.

Says the guy who wasn't a slave but still whines about it, 153 years after slavery ended.

The standard white excuses fail at every level of debate. Try a new tactic.

Waahhh….where my reparations?

 

[miketx]

OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

That was my personal input.

LIes huh?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

 

[Faun]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

 

[IM2]

"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP,

9 quarters? Wow! And all it cost was $9.3 trillion in new debt.

Nah, much of that was the cost of Bush’s Great Recession.

The recession ended in June 2009.

Says who?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

 

[Thinker101]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

And is a liberal is caught burning down a building he will say he has a right to do so....dumbass.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

A Liberal blames everyone and everything but the perpetrator.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Great post -- but 184% of conservatives will disagree with you.

Of course they will. If a conservative is caught burning down a building he will blame the liberal store owner where they bought the matches and the other conservatives will too.

A Liberal blames everyone and everything but the perpetrator.

Nah. We understand that not everything can be summed up with a simple minded conclusion. And there is this little thing called fact we liberals like to consider.

 

[IM2]

If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Democrats pretend the history of their party never existed. Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, against Civil Rights. They try and fob that crap off on Conservatives when its liberals and their liberal interpretation of the Constitution that allows them to justify those things.

You know by about now all that is played out. It's dead. This ain't 1860 and Lincoln, who you guys try using to make your party what it's not, was a racist.