Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
 
If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

And liberals gave us the horrors of communism and the welfare state. Your point is what?

Yeah right. So now we have a fascist president who wants to be like Kim Jung Un.
Do you even understand what a "fascist" is? What has Donald Trump done that even REMOTELY smacks of fascism?
Wait, really? It must be Christmas.

Authoritarianism, xenophobia, nativism, populism, ultra-nationalism. Appealing to the working class using fear of real or perceived corruption or cultural invasion. Anti-elitism, anti-intellectualism, anti-egalitarianism, opposition to the media, promoting certain corporations over others, protectionism, self-sufficiency bordering on isolationism. Promoting violence, worship of the military, an appeal to a return to the glory days, an overturning of traditions, fascinations with masculinity and futurism. Propaganda, bending of the truth, a preoccupation with personal loyalty, and an "I alone can fix it" mentality.

I think that qualifies.
 
I'm a big believer that we need both Progressives/Liberals and Conservatives. It's like our country is a truck rolling down the highway; we have to keep our foot on the gas at least somewhat, so that we Progress at a Liberal pace, or else we'll get left behind by the rest of the world and by our own desires. However, if we move too quickly, we run the risk of breaking down, getting lost, or at least failing to enjoy the scenery; in non-metaphorical senses, it means that we tend to lose our culture if we change too much too quickly, like we did most notably during Prohibition. For that reason, we need the Conservatives to make sure we Conserve our culture, which to me always seems to be the underlying purpose that they fight for.

The danger of the Conservatives manifests when they try too hard to hold on; they want the metaphorical truck to slow down, stop, or even reverse sometimes. That was the problem when Conservatives opposed independence, universal male suffrage, education reform, the abolition of slavery, labor laws, women's suffrage, civil rights, clean air and water, the list goes on. Most of the most glorious moments in our history and biggest steps toward being a more perfect union have been powered by Progressives and Liberals, and vehemently opposed by the Conservatives of the time. Then, a generation goes by, and the positions so fervently defended by many of the Conservatives disappear.

I have no doubt that, in the light of history, many of the arguments now made by Conservatives are going to seem like archaic relics of a bygone age, much in the way we now look at someone who pushes for racial segregation, or thinks women shouldn't have the vote.
 
I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.
 
They believe in providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, especially those who were brought here as children. They wish to greatly reform the current immigration laws, stating that “today’s immigration laws do not reflect our values or serve our security, and we will work for real reform.

You SURE about this? Because when they are IN CHARGE, they sure don't cater to open borders and unlimited border crashing..




You conservatives are the ones saying that democrats are for unlimited open borders. I stated democrats weren't and got called bonjangles. So try going beyond one paragraph the next time..


If you're not for open borders when your team is at the plate, what is the problem with ending catch/release and idiotic notions like the VISA lottery? Do you think it's fair to be suddenly, selectively irate and hysterical about children at the border when your "smartest woman in America" suggested sending them all home (after the Obama Admin allowed 100,000 or more orphans to come in) to their parents in 2014?

THIS -- is why I won't support EITHER party. They are BOTH playing power games. And they HAVE no principles, or scruples on damn near ANY issue.. And it reeks of clueless hypocrisy and callousness on BOTH sides of issues like this. Same with foreign policy. Same with the budget/deficit.


Open borders do not exist. They did not exist during Obama, they did not exist before that. So the issue is not open borders. Understand that first before you post. I don't know who proclaimed Hillary as the smartest woman in America but it was not me. Sounds like something your god Limbaugh would say and being dumb you repeat it.

Bow the next time you conflate what people say abut unaccompanied children as opposed to families, understand those a two different issues. Your Hillary derangement has you ignoring one vital truth. In 2013 the senate passed a immigration reform bill. Speaker John Boehner refused to bring it up for a vote in the house. We could have had a solution to this 5 years ago if not for conservative republicans.
 
Stuff it Jethro. Take yo nigg*a ass back to the bush. You are a lazy, hate filled piece of shit. As a Conservative the ONLY thing that embarrasses me is you calling yourself an American Nobody ever owned you, you were never a slave and the fact the you are appropriating the culture of those that were makes you one more dumbass nigg*a. You are a disgrace to hard working blacks everywhere.
If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives.

Radicals who wanted low taxes and freedom. That makes them conservatives.

I thought we could not apply todays thinking to the past. After all you weren't there, you threw no tea into the harbor, so you have no claim to make.

I thought we could not apply todays thinking to the past.

You so rarely apply any thinking, so you've got that going for you.

After all you weren't there, you threw no tea into the harbor, so you have no claim to make.

Says the guy who wasn't a slave but still whines about it, 153 years after slavery ended.

The standard white excuses fail at every level of debate. Try a new tactic.
 
If we look at modern times, Conservative policy has always failed and yet conservatives continue repeating the same thing over and over.

Despite the fact that there have been many brilliant thinkers through the centuries who called themselves conservatives, it does seem that, when we look at things through the rearview mirror of American history, it is conservatives who are left stuck in the mud.

Today’s conservatives may call themselves tea partiers, but the original bunch that tossed boxes of tea over the side of British ships was a gaggle of radicals, not conservatives. In 1776, it was conservative people who thought the Declaration of Independence was a traitorous document. Their loyalties lay with British tradition and the king in London.

Throughout the long debate over slavery, abolitionists were condemned as radicals. Even a moderate like Abraham Lincoln was too extreme for the conservatives of his day. They bought into all kinds of excuses for why slavery should be left alone – that it was Biblical, that it would wither away on its own or that the property rights of slaveholders should not be infringed.

In the Gilded Age, when robber barons ruled the economy and workers toiled for long hours at dangerous jobs for meager wages, it was the conservatives who opposed the minimum wage, the 40-hour work week and the eight-hour day. They opposed the right of workers to organize. They opposed Teddy Roosevelt’s conservation plans and his regulation of rapacious industrialists.

And on into the 20th century, it was conservatives who fought against the franchise for women, Social Security, Medicare and racial integration. More recently, they have stood in the way of gay rights and universal health care. Even when they had the right idea – opposing Communism – they were prone to dangerous excess – McCarthyism.

To be fair, the best conservative intellectuals and political leaders have provided a useful tempering of the enthusiasms of liberal social engineers. But on so many of the biggest challenges that have faced the nation, the conservatives of each era have ended up on the wrong side of history.

Conservatives are unembarrassed by a history of being wrong

IM2 OP requires personal input, not just a cut and paste

Leftists however, are the king of being wrong. That's why they are attempting to remove the word "wrong" from their ideology. Everything is upside down.

IM thinks that just because Blacks by far can't make it under Conservative Policies that said policies are "failures". The problem he and his "brothas" have is that Conservative Policies demand self discipline and hard work.

You stupid son of a bitch, blacks have worked harder and have had more discipline that any other group. Bitch we worked 24-7 for free for over 200 years. How much discipline did it take for blacks to fight overt white racism with non violence? Your pink ass couldn't do it. Stop talking about things your white ass has no clue about. Whites are the laziest most undisciplined group here. And when we consider all of what the government has given whites, people like you need to keep your mouths shut. Conservative policies fail because they suck. They are not based in reality.

Stuff it Jethro. Take yo nigg*a ass back to the bush. You are a lazy, hate filled piece of shit. As a Conservative the ONLY thing that embarrasses me is you calling yourself an American Nobody ever owned you, you were never a slave and the fact the you are appropriating the culture of those that were makes you one more dumbass nigg*a. You are a disgrace to hard working blacks everywhere.

Doc1

Another tantrum from a piece of white trash beaten in a debate.
 
I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.


So Obama turned it all around for cash for clunkers?


Brilliant!!!!
 
They believe in providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, especially those who were brought here as children. They wish to greatly reform the current immigration laws, stating that “today’s immigration laws do not reflect our values or serve our security, and we will work for real reform.

You SURE about this? Because when they are IN CHARGE, they sure don't cater to open borders and unlimited border crashing..




You conservatives are the ones saying that democrats are for unlimited open borders. I stated democrats weren't and got called bonjangles. So try going beyond one paragraph the next time..


If you're not for open borders when your team is at the plate, what is the problem with ending catch/release and idiotic notions like the VISA lottery? Do you think it's fair to be suddenly, selectively irate and hysterical about children at the border when your "smartest woman in America" suggested sending them all home (after the Obama Admin allowed 100,000 or more orphans to come in) to their parents in 2014?

THIS -- is why I won't support EITHER party. They are BOTH playing power games. And they HAVE no principles, or scruples on damn near ANY issue.. And it reeks of clueless hypocrisy and callousness on BOTH sides of issues like this. Same with foreign policy. Same with the budget/deficit.


Stuff it Jethro. Take yo nigg*a ass back to the bush. You are a lazy, hate filled piece of shit. As a Conservative the ONLY thing that embarrasses me is you calling yourself an American Nobody ever owned you, you were never a slave and the fact the you are appropriating the culture of those that were makes you one more dumbass nigg*a. You are a disgrace to hard working blacks everywhere.

Is this proper behavior flacaltenn? Is this not a personal attack? These aren't racial slurs?

You read this and it's still here. Funny how that happens.
 
I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”
 
"Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that."

Obama had 9 quarters of at least 3 percent GDP, even as he inherited a dead economy. And of course he had a congress that for 6 years of his presidency refused to help.
 
I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.
 
I'm a hypocrite? Obama doubled the debt and you're quiet. Bush had a terrorist attack that he had to deal with and you bitch? Bush has been out of office over a decade, why is it always about Bush?

It definitely wasn't the worst economy since the great depression. OBAMA MADE IT THAT.

That's ok. A real president, Trump, has stepped up to the plate and the economy is busting 4 percent GDP. Record everything. We are rockin' along!
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...
 
LOLOL

Trump hasn’t had 4% GDP yet. And his first year came in at 2.3%, despite his prediction it would be as high as 6%.

And yes, you are a hypocrite. You demonstrated nearly doubling the debt meant nothing to you when Bush did it; but you cry like a bitch when Obama did it.

And the worst economy, with negative 8 percent GDP, 700,000 jobs lost in a month, and crashing stock market, housing markets and credit markets all occurred under Bush and was passed onto Obama; who turned that into positive GDP, longest streak of net jobs gained, and a record high stock market.

And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

But these are not the causes of the housing crash.
 
And when did the economy tank? As soon as the democrats took the senate and house! LOL Bush couldn't do anything, you seem to forget the senate and house have to pass any measures, and those were full libtard.

So you can thank liberals for the crappy economy under Bush.

Obama was the only president in history that did not preside over a single year of 3% GDP growth. Trump has already smashed that.
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.


It was the cause
 
Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.


It was the cause

This was the cause of the Housing crash:

The best Americans are making the rules again...Hahaha

I will not debate this as these are facts. Ask anyone in the know on Wall Street (who has an open mind) and they will tell you the same thing.

You don't agree...whatever.
 
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Holyfuckingshit, not this shit again. :eusa_doh:

Moron.... the economy tanked after years of toxic loans finally took the credit markets down, starting with New Century Financial, which filed bankruptcy in early 2007. The 110th Congress had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huge Mortgage Lender Files for Bankruptcy

Tuesday, April 3, 2007

New Century Financial, a lender that came to symbolize the fast-and-loose mortgage practices of recent years, filed for bankruptcy protection yesterday and said it would lay off 3,200 employees, more than half its workforce.

These companies specialized in "subprime" loans, generally offered to people with blemished credit or insufficient cash for a down payment. Subprime mortgages, which accounted for $600 billion, or about 20 percent, of all new home loans last year, were the main reason millions of working-class Americans were able to buy homes they otherwise could not afford.

Many of these mortgages did not require down payments or had low teaser interest rates that leaped after the first two or three years. Delinquency rates on these mortgages have soared in recent months, prompting Wall Street to cut off funds for companies like New Century.


Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.


It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.
 
Obama started the Bullshit up again ..




https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...-setting-us-up-for-another-housing-crash/amp/

Obama is setting us up for another housing crash
By Paul Sperry

March 12, 2016 | 3:00pm

For starters, mortgage-software firm Ellie Mae reports that the average FICO credit score of an approved home loan plunged to 719 in January (the latest month for which data is available) from 731 a year earlier, and well below 2011’s peak of 750.


It’s a dangerous sign lenders are loosening underwriting standards. Lower FICO scores correlate with higher risk of loan default.

The Federal Housing Administration is a big reason for falling credit scores. So are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The government housing agencies have slashed credit requirements under pressure from the Obama administration — like the Clinton administration before it — to qualify more immigrants and minorities with low incomes and “less-than-perfect credit.”

Wrong.

Facts are facts...

Ys they are but these are not the causes of the housing crash.


It was the cause

No they weren't and if you had a clue abut the financial services industry you would understand that.


Of course I know, you just don't want to admit Obama started it all up again
 

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