Conservatives have an ace in the hole

[candycorn]

Conservatives have an ace in the hole

Yeah sure they do, like Cruz running for president. God, please let him be the GOP nominee. Republicans don't need LSD, they hallucinate just fine without it.

That would be God's gift to the Dems; a Cruz nomination.

 

[francoHFW]

TP has wrecked the recovery- at least 0.6 per cent for this temper tantrum, 1 per cent plus for the first phony crisis, same for the sequester, same for blocking jobs/ infrastructure act- we could have been out of this years ago- then they blame Obama policies- which they've BLOCKED- A no compromise, un-American disgrace...hater dupes...

 

[Camp]

He just prevented one. He did it by being wiser and smarter than Republicans. He helped to turn them on each other and watched as they destroyed any power they had to hurt him or his signiture legislation, the ACA. He set the stage for the 2014 elections so he will have a chance of having a Dem House and Senate. The shut down and default circus showed the Repub's are unable to organize, lead or govern. Repub disiapproval is at 74%. Even rank and file Repub's disapprove. TP disapproval is at all time high. TP is now being rejected by many Repub's. Cruz negative numbers doubled. Nit-wit RW's still living in a delusional bubble. No hope for them if they don't bust out of it.

You do understand that there could have been no default unless Obama refused to pay our bills right?

Obama threatened to default the nation if the Republicans didn't cave. Republicans believed him.

You seem to be implying that President Obama was bluffing and that he could have paid the bills if he wanted to. Based on the fact every knowledgable economist in this country and many in the world along with the World Bank, the economic ministers of several countries, and head of the Chinese state were all calling for the debt limit to be raised I rather doubt that Obama could have paid all the bills by himself to avoid the default. Obama doesn't bluff. Ask the Somoli pirates. Ask bin Laden. Ask some of those who are being hunted by drones.

You are comparing Obama's foriegn policy towards terrorism to his dealing with domestic political gamesmanship. Do you really believe Ted Cruz and the TP and fractured Republican Party are on the same level? Anyhow, he had that trillion dollar coin thing to fall back on. Maybe constitutional and maybe not. He could have pulled it out of his pocket and said "let the court decide, I'll go along with whatever they say". In the mean time, while the issue worked it's way into the courts and eventually to the Supreme Court, a trillion dollar coin or two would have been depostited into the treasury. So, perhaps he wasn't bluffing.

 

[francoHFW]

ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS IDEA, SO OF COURSE DUPES BELIEVE IT... DUMBEST VOTERS ANYWHERE...

1. BofA Slashes GDP Growth Forecasts Due To Crisis In Washington
BofA Cuts GDP Forecasts Due To Shutdown - Business Insider - Cached
Oct 6, 2013 ... BofA slashes Q3 and Q4 GDP growth forecasts, citing the ongoing government
shutdown.
1. IMF cuts global growth forecasts amid fears for world trade - as it ...
www.theguardian.com/.../asia-pacific-leaders-warn-on-world-economy-as-us-shutdown-drags-on-live - Cached
Oct 8, 2013 ... IMF urges US to raise its debt ceiling to avoid a major crisis, hours after ... But...
the IMF also cut its growth forecasts for the world economy this ...
1. World Bank: US crisis may hit region's growth | Bangkok Post ...
Bangkok Post : The world windows to Thailand
Oct 8, 2013 ... World Bank: US crisis may hit region's growth ... and Economic and Social
Development Board cut its forecast of 2013 GDP growth to a range of ...
1. IMF cuts U.S. growth forecast, warns of crisis | Peace . Gold . Liberty
www.dailypaul.com/.../imf-cuts-us-growth-forecast-warns-of-crisis - Cached
Jun 17, 2011 ... The International Monetary Fund cut its forecast for U.S. economic growth on
Friday and warned Washington and debt-ridden European ...

 

[Avatar4321]

and that is Barack Obama....

Barry is the most dangerous of morons, the moron who doesn't think he is a moron. He believes in his heart of hearts that he is doing a great job -- and nothing will convince him otherwise.

His narcissism will never allow him to give up on ObamaCare. After all, it is his progeny, his legacy. Isn't it named after him? No matter how bad it gets he is not letting go. Republicans should give him what he wants, full implementation. To paraphrase Napoleon, when your enemy seeks defeat, don't get in his way.

Without America's young, hale and hearty, ObamaCare cannot survive.

Picture "Julia," an uninsured 30-year-old making $40K a year as a graphic designer, healthy, and with the arrogance of youth, confident she will always stay that way. The penalty -- starting in 2014 -- for remaining uninsured will be $95 or 1% of her income. Perhaps, this computer-savvy "Julia" finds acceptable coverage for $200 per month (I know, dream on).

Her options are clear, spend $2,400 or $4,000 for something that she didn't want or require. She is going to enroll and pay the $2,400. Does anyone think "Julia" will be happy about this? To her, it is a tax, $2,400 less she has to spend on her wants and needs. Will she vote in 2014 to reelect the Democrat senator or representative who forced this upon her?

On the other hand... take another "Julia," a friend of mine. She is a 54-year-old, soon-to-be divorced woman working part-time for both Goodwill Industries and the New York State DMV. Last year she made $26,512 -- she counts every penny and will not take anything from anyone. She cries that ObamaCare prevents her from getting a full time position that might offer medical benefits. The Kaiser Calculator, after the Obamacare subsidy, calculates her minimum insurance plan will cost a little less than $2K.

She is going to pay the $265 fine. After all, if she gets sick, preexisting conditions are covered under Obamacare. She just has to survive long enough to get to the next enrolment period and in any case, she can't afford the $2K. In addition, there is always the emergency room. She is exactly 26,512 pennies poorer. Thanks Barack!

As another example..

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You fucking LOST.

YOU FUCKING LOST.

YOU MOTHER FUCKING LOST.

So did you. You just havent realized it yet.

 

[Avatar4321]

Grow up. It is a game. A serious game. And you are giving an opinionated and distorted analysis to the situation. The congress wouldn't provide the money to pay the bills unless the President and Dem's agreed to all kinds of crap. Thats why they called it extortion and blackmail. The option to use a rob Peter to pay Paul idea was rejected by the President. He called the Republican bluff and so did the Senate Dem's with Reid at the helm. None of us know what cards Obama wasn't showing.

It's not a game at all. the House passed clean budgets funding everything but Obamacare. Funding originates in the House. They have a right to fund what they choose. Why? Because they are the people's branch of government.

The bills were passed. The Senate wouldnt even let it be voted on.

 

[Avatar4321]

He just prevented one. He did it by being wiser and smarter than Republicans. He helped to turn them on each other and watched as they destroyed any power they had to hurt him or his signiture legislation, the ACA. He set the stage for the 2014 elections so he will have a chance of having a Dem House and Senate. The shut down and default circus showed the Repub's are unable to organize, lead or govern. Repub disiapproval is at 74%. Even rank and file Repub's disapprove. TP disapproval is at all time high. TP is now being rejected by many Repub's. Cruz negative numbers doubled. Nit-wit RW's still living in a delusional bubble. No hope for them if they don't bust out of it.

You do understand that there could have been no default unless Obama refused to pay our bills right?

Obama threatened to default the nation if the Republicans didn't cave. Republicans believed him.

You seem to be implying that President Obama was bluffing and that he could have paid the bills if he wanted to. Based on the fact every knowledgable economist in this country and many in the world along with the World Bank, the economic ministers of several countries, and head of the Chinese state were all calling for the debt limit to be raised I rather doubt that Obama could have paid all the bills by himself to avoid the default. Obama doesn't bluff. Ask the Somoli pirates. Ask bin Laden. Ask some of those who are being hunted by drones.

Im not implying anything whatsoever. I am outright saying it. The Teasury Department takes in more than enough money everyday to pay our debts. It is Federal Law to pay our debts. The only way they wouldn't have been paid is if Obama refused to pay them. Period.

And no. I don't think he was bluffing. I am quite positive he would seriously have refused to pay our debts and then blamed Republicans for it. After all, that's what he has been doing for years.

What is beyond comprehension is why you let him lie to you like that.

 

[nodoginnafight]

the more the American people experience Obamacare and how it wrecks their budgets.....

you can bet they will think government should cut spending and have a budget too....

I've been hearing this same line for five years now

Everytime you turn around some right wing radical is telling us how this or that is gonna crumble once the American people get a taste of ....

Man you guys really need to get over it.

Obama won
He got re-elected
He can't run again

Turn your attention to coming up with better ideas that you can present to the American people rather than dedicating your entire existence to whining about Obama.

 

[Camp]

Grow up. It is a game. A serious game. And you are giving an opinionated and distorted analysis to the situation. The congress wouldn't provide the money to pay the bills unless the President and Dem's agreed to all kinds of crap. Thats why they called it extortion and blackmail. The option to use a rob Peter to pay Paul idea was rejected by the President. He called the Republican bluff and so did the Senate Dem's with Reid at the helm. None of us know what cards Obama wasn't showing.

It's not a game at all. the House passed clean budgets funding everything but Obamacare. Funding originates in the House. They have a right to fund what they choose. Why? Because they are the people's branch of government.

The bills were passed. The Senate wouldnt even let it be voted on.

What the hell is a "clean budget"? You still don't understand why you guys lost this battle do you? Using the dept ceiling as a hostage to kill Obama care was not and is not an acceptable political tactic. It is extortion and blackmail. That is what Obama called it. His poll numbers dropped a few points and came back up toward to end of the fight with the Republican congress. The Repub numbers plummeted. 74% disapproval. 65% blaming Repubs for shutdown. The majority did not want to be held ransome and subjected to blackmail and extortion. They stood with Obama and against the Repubs. Now explain that "clean budget" thingy.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

and that is Barack Obama....

Barry is the most dangerous of morons, the moron who doesn't think he is a moron. He believes in his heart of hearts that he is doing a great job -- and nothing will convince him otherwise.

His narcissism will never allow him to give up on ObamaCare. After all, it is his progeny, his legacy. Isn't it named after him? No matter how bad it gets he is not letting go. Republicans should give him what he wants, full implementation. To paraphrase Napoleon, when your enemy seeks defeat, don't get in his way.

Without America's young, hale and hearty, ObamaCare cannot survive.

Picture "Julia," an uninsured 30-year-old making $40K a year as a graphic designer, healthy, and with the arrogance of youth, confident she will always stay that way. The penalty -- starting in 2014 -- for remaining uninsured will be $95 or 1% of her income. Perhaps, this computer-savvy "Julia" finds acceptable coverage for $200 per month (I know, dream on).

Her options are clear, spend $2,400 or $4,000 for something that she didn't want or require. She is going to enroll and pay the $2,400. Does anyone think "Julia" will be happy about this? To her, it is a tax, $2,400 less she has to spend on her wants and needs. Will she vote in 2014 to reelect the Democrat senator or representative who forced this upon her?

On the other hand... take another "Julia," a friend of mine. She is a 54-year-old, soon-to-be divorced woman working part-time for both Goodwill Industries and the New York State DMV. Last year she made $26,512 -- she counts every penny and will not take anything from anyone. She cries that ObamaCare prevents her from getting a full time position that might offer medical benefits. The Kaiser Calculator, after the Obamacare subsidy, calculates her minimum insurance plan will cost a little less than $2K.

She is going to pay the $265 fine. After all, if she gets sick, preexisting conditions are covered under Obamacare. She just has to survive long enough to get to the next enrolment period and in any case, she can't afford the $2K. In addition, there is always the emergency room. She is exactly 26,512 pennies poorer. Thanks Barack!

As another example..

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1% of 40K is $400, not $4,000.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Here is the TeaPs' secret agent in action

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Sabeh_ia2E]'You Cannot Serve Two Masters!' House Stenographer Goes Crazy During House Vote, Escorted Out - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Liberal]

There is only one source of justice left. That's God. If we want things to change, we have to appeal to Him. I intend to do so.

Your superstitions are not needed.

Only a bagger would appeal to "god" to stop people from getting healthcare.

 

[EriktheRed]

nope.....i'm speaking of this sociopathic solipsist who would have no qualms about a default...

Weren't you saying a lot of this stuff last year?

 

[J.E.D]

His narcissism will never allow him to give up on ObamaCare. After all, it is his progeny, his legacy.

It's also the law. Passed by both houses of congress, signed by the POTUS, upheld by the SCOTUS. Why SHOULD he give up on it - because conservatives have been throwing hissy fits over it since 2009?

Isn't it named after him?

Actually, it's called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, or PPACA, or ACA for short. Conservatives labeled it 'Obamacare' thinking it was an insult. They repeated it over and over and made it a central part of the 2012 election so much so that even Obama calls it 'Obamacare' And guess what? He still won re-election.

Republicans should give him what he wants, full implementation.

They have no choice. They have failed to stop it 40something times.

 

[Neotrotsky]

We all know the extreme left and Papa Obama along with PapaObama care will fail
They know it as well, which is why the reactionary left is so angry

that is the Ace

 

[EriktheRed]

We all know the extreme left and Papa Obama along with PapaObama care will fail

that is the Ace

Still like to look at those Obama=Carter pictures?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Yes, of course.
It just goes to prove- if Carter was black he could have won again. The press would have taken it even easier on him
it is the racist low expectation thing the left and MSM have for minorities


But I do find this more amusing

More people have applied to live on Mars than have signed up for Obamacare Over 200,000 people apply to live on Mars (Wired UK) … cc [MENTION=40940]Ezra[/MENTION]klein


Over 200,000 people apply to live on Mars
Over 200,000 people have applied to live on Mars as part of an ambitious proposal by private foundation Mars One to establish a human settlement on the Red Planet by 2023

Wired UK @WiredUK

 

[007]

Oh and if people havent figured out Obama yet, I dont think they are going to.

There is no Ace in the whole. The GOP has no freaking clue what they are going to do. We are just going to have the same battle in January. Then they will kick the decision down the road till after the election in order to get some pork to save their sorry behinds.

There is only one source of justice left. That's God. If we want things to change, we have to appeal to Him. I intend to do so.

If you're going to rely on God to solve America's problems, I'm pretty God would tell you that he helps those who help themselves... in other words, we need a second revolution.

 

[Spoonman]

as soon as people start to realize obamacare isn't free healthcare the shit will start to hit the fan