Conservatives: how much money do you think billionaires are obligated to give...

Billy000

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...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?
 
How much are they obligated to give?

As much as their altruism permits. Generosity isn't a requirement, its a feeling. Percentage wise.. whatever percentage they see fit within their hearts to give.


You shouldn't force charity.IMHO.
 
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Why billionaires? Why not middle class people? I dont think anyone is obligated to give anything. I think it is a decent and honorable thing to give, depending on the charity. But that's me.
 
...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?

Not my money. so why would I have a an opinion?
 
They should give at least $369 each year, just like Vice President Jo Biden:

Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year - ABC News

Agreed. Biden sternly told Americans that everyone needs to have skin the game. Then everyone should be held to the Biden scale.

Also, people should follow the standard set by Secretary of State Kerry and give $0 of any refund back to your State as well as avoid higher property tax by moving property (boats) into a neighboring State.
 
How much did you give?? Typical always wanting to run someone else s life and affair's.

Why don't people like you pay attention to yourself,instead of people you envy/hate??
 
It is curious that people look at this question from the point of view of a billionaire? Why is that, all billionaires started from a place of advantage, no one operates in a vacuum nor does anyone alone create wealth. All wealth comes from society in its various forms. That someone of advantage or a particular talent can accumulate wealth is only admirable if our values are such that vast amounts of money are the target of a worthwhile existence or contribute in some way to the society we value. Why don't people reverse the question and ask why the working poor are poor. Today that thought is almost un-American. Years of the advantaged people with little thought has created an image of working that doesn't align with reality but few ever see that. See Judt quote below.

"What is a human life worth? You may not want to put a price tag on a it. But if we really had to, most of us would agree that the value of a human life would be in the millions. Consistent with the foundations of our democracy and our frequently professed belief in the inherent dignity of human beings, we would also agree that all humans are created equal, at least to the extent of denying that differences of sex, ethnicity, nationality and place of residence change the value of a human life." What Should a Billionaire Give – and What Should You?, by Peter Singer

"Inequality in a society also leads to the problems noted below, if morality were truly a consideration of a society and its wealth, this would be less a issue. "Great inequality is the scourge of modern societies. We provide the evidence on each of eleven different health and social problems: physical health, mental health, drug abuse, education, imprisonment, obesity, social mobility, trust and community life, violence, teenage births, and child well-being. For all eleven of these health and social problems, outcomes are very substantially worse in more unequal societies." Richard Wilkinson/Kate Pickett The Evidence in Detail | The Equality Trust


The rich person's Nanny state. How the rich benefit from what belongs to all: CEPR and Introducing the Great Divergence - Slate Magazine

How did you get rich daddy? The rich get rich because of their merit.


"On moral grounds, then, we could argue for a flat income tax of 90 percent to return that wealth to its real owners. In the United States, even a flat tax of 70 percent would support all governmental programs (about half the total tax) and allow payment, with the remainder, of a patrimony of about $8,000 per annum per inhabitant, or $25,000 for a family of three. This would generously leave with the original recipients of the income about three times what, according to my rough guess, they had earned."UBI and the Flat Tax

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...h-should-not-be-taxed-more-9.html#post4392557

"If The $5.15 Hourly minimum wage had risen at the same rate as CEO compensation since 1990, it would now stand at $23.03.
A Minimum Wage employee who works 40 hours a week for 51 weeks a year goes home with $10,506 before taxes.
Such A Worker would take 7,000 years to earn Oracle CEO Larry Ellison’s yearly compensation.

In 2005, there were 9 million American millionaires, a 62% increase since 2002.
In 2005, 25.7 million Americans received food stamps, a 49% increase since 2000." A Look at the Numbers: How the Rich Get Richer | Mother Jones

"Responsible Wealth, a project of United for a Fair Economy, is a network of over 700 business leaders and wealthy individuals in the top 5% of income and/or wealth in the US who use their surprising voice to advocate for fair taxes and corporate accountability. If you're in the top 5% (over $200,000 household income and/or over $1 million net assets) and you care about economic justice, please join Responsible Wealth today!" Responsible Wealth | United for a Fair Economy

"A surefire politics of change would necessarily involve getting people in the middle — from the 30th to the 70th percentile — to see their own economic self-interest. If they vote in their own self-interest, they’ll elect people who are likely to be more aligned with people with lower incomes as well as with them. As long as people in the middle identify more with people on the top than with those on the bottom, we are doomed. The obscene amount of money flowing into the electoral process makes things harder yet." Peter Edelman http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/opinion/sunday/why-cant-we-end-poverty-in-america.html

"Something is profoundly wrong with the way we live today. For thirty years we have made a virtue out of the pursuit of material self-interest: indeed, this very pursuit now constitutes whatever remains of our sense of collective purpose. We know what things cost but have no idea what they are worth. We no longer ask of a judicial ruling or a legislative act: is it good? Is it fair? Is it just? Is it right? Will it help bring about a better society or a better world? Those used to be the political questions, even if they invited no easy answers. We must learn once again to pose them." Tony Judt 'Ill Fares the Land'

"But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him - how can God's love be within him?" John 3:17
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"But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him - how can God's love be within him?" John 3:17


That can be applied to anyone,not just a person of faith.


That was a long winded explanation of class envy
 
...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?

I am not a conservative or a liberal, but I say ZERO.

OTOH, I'd also propose a 100% inheritance tax to eliminate all Federal taxation (even annual taxes) so really..what do I know?
 
They should give at least $369 each year, just like Vice President Jo Biden:

Biden gave average of $369 to charity a year - ABC News

Agreed. Biden sternly told Americans that everyone needs to have skin the game. Then everyone should be held to the Biden scale.

Also, people should follow the standard set by Secretary of State Kerry and give $0 of any refund back to your State as well as avoid higher property tax by moving property (boats) into a neighboring State.

John Kerry could not possibly give any of his wealth to charity, because any and all of his wealth belongs to his wife.

Gigolos, like John Kerry can only pay lip service to charity.
 
How much are they obligated to give?

As much as their altruism permits. Generosity isn't a requirement, its a feeling. Percentage wise.. whatever percentage they see fit within their hearts to give.


You shouldn't force charity.IMHO.

I agree. Give what you want to give. Thats charity.

Of course we taxpayers have no choice in the matter. We are forced to support every freeloader in America.
 
...to charitable causes?

I am not suggesting that we come up with laws that requires billionaires to give to charity, but I do think billionaires have a responsibility to use part of their fortune to better mankind.

I have a lot of respect for billionaires like Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who plan to give half their fortune to charity after they die. To me, that is the right thing to do.

In your opinion, how much should a billionaire give while they are still alive? Throw out a percentage.

How much money should a person give if they are worth 1 billion? 5 billion?

Obligated by whom?

I will answer you simplistic BS question very simply, ZERO percent is their obligation.
 
If we can require young men to give their lives for the good of the country, then we can certainly require billionaires to give money for the good of the country.
 
If we can require young men to give their lives for the good of the country, then we can certainly require billionaires to give money for the good of the country.

Are you saying billionaires pay zero taxes?

Our last two wars were fought by all volunteer armies, you know the ones the liberals said would never happen.
 

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