Conservatives, the fight is not over!

[Boss]

ruz supported Ethanol mandates, I never stated he supported Ethanol Subsidies, not even Trump supported Ethanol Subsidies...

Not only did he say in Iowa that he supported them, he plans to EXPAND them!

 

[JoeB131]

It's up to Donald Trump to WIN MY VOTE! It's not up to me to come over to his Liberal way of thinking and that's NOT going to happen here.

Guy, you had every chance to make your case for Eddie Munster, and Republican voters weren't buying it.

 

[Boss]

“You know, when you put out a tax plan, you are going to start negotiating,” he said. “You don’t say, ‘OK, this is our tax plan, lots of luck, folks.’ There will be negotiation back and forth. And I can see that going up, to be honest with you.”

But you're NOT NEGOTIATING YET, Mr. Trump! You're not even to the general election yet! All that happened was a liberal goofball reporter confronted you about your tax plan and you BAILED!

 

[Boss]

It's up to Donald Trump to WIN MY VOTE! It's not up to me to come over to his Liberal way of thinking and that's NOT going to happen here.

Guy, you had every chance to make your case for Eddie Munster, and Republican voters weren't buying it.

Why don't you shut the fuck up and get the hell out of our thread? You have no business even being involved in this conversation. You should be trying to figure out how you can limp Hildabitch over the finish line against the washed-up socialist who is kicking her ass!

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Well first and foremost, we do not tax the rich. That's the liberal class warfare argument. We tax top marginal incomes. Those are mostly not wealthy people but rather, small businesses who file as individuals on their tax returns. But Trump has basically conceded that argument to the liberals and he hasn't even started the race for president yet. He said "I'm not a big fan of that"... referring, not to Paul Ryan's tax plan, not to Conservative's tax plan, to HIS OWN tax plan! A tax plan, by the way, I supported and thought was good. He said "I plan to raise taxes on the rich!"

In the debates, he said "wages are too high... I wouldn't raise the MW because it kills jobs." The next day on USMB, I joined many Trump supporters in defending his statement vociferously because he was absolutely 100% right! It is STUPID to raise the MW because it KILLS JOBS!

BUT NOW... Trump says he "will look at" raising the MW!

I'm not "ideologically blind" to any goddamn thing... I am watching reality happen and you are living in complete denial of it! You've been fooled by a Big Government Liberal who is now the GOP nominee... and you expect me to march in lockstep behind him because he ain't Hillary!

Guess what... you can go fuck a duck!

We don't tax the rich? Are you sure about that? The top 10% earners pay 68% of the tax collected. Are you confusing Corporations with the top earners? Corporations pay in too. Small business pays in the most? With all their right-offs? Is that why I got back nearly $5K as a small business owner?

We tax top marginal incomes? I thought we taxed net income and capital gains. Do you even know what you are talking about. You seem to be confused with top marginal tax brackets verse what is actually taxed, which is net income and capital gains. SMFH

You're watching reality? Yet you don't seem to know much about it, hell you can't even get the income tax info correct. LMFAO

Big Govt Liberal? I don' expect you to march lock-step behind anybody, yet when you are so ideologically driven that you fail to see the forest because of the one tree you are standing in front of, who is the duck fucker than?

Maybe in 4 years you can try running a "Conservative" then if the next President is an utter failure, atleast with an R as the next President it will allow for Congress to do more than what it has the past 8 years and hopefully get us going in the right direction again. Besides you put too much stock in the President who has limited powers for a reason.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Then GOD DAMN IT, you fucking asshole HARD CORE conservatives, DON'T VOTE the fucking Trumpster, and vote for the c-unt that we all KNOW will continue to fuck up the country.... You assholes are ALMOST as stupid as the subversive scumbags in here...You have TWO choices now, what will it be, a guy that beat the shit out of a supposed HARD CORE conservative that a VAST amount of other Republicans voted for when given the choice, or a KNOWN LYING, CORRUPT, CRIMINAL, MURDERING BITCH that will continue our march towards the ultimate end...COMMUNISM..... It's up to you! THINK about it, and THINK HARD!

That's exactly the way NOT to win my vote.

Look... your guy won the primary, congratulations... well done... but there were MORE republicans who voted for someone else in the primaries and it's NOT their obligation to automatically support YOUR guy in the general. It is up to YOUR guy to win over those voters, and while the hostile and nasty tone you're taking was useful in strong-arming your way through the primaries, it's useless in winning over true conservative voters. In fact, I would say it's COUNTERPRODUCTIVE!

Now, if you don't want the lying, corrupt, criminal bitch to WIN... walk back this mean and vicious rhetoric and start acting like you actually WANT our votes! Otherwise, you're going to lose in a massive landslide. It's not asking much for you people to act like you've got a conservative bone in your body and at least TRY to assure people that Trump will adhere to core conservative principles. If you can't bring yourselves to do that... oh fucking well! I guess we'll get the Hildabitch!

They've got this completely backwards. They think WE should come begging to them to be ALLOWED to vote for Trump, rather than understanding that THEY need to ASK. They're going to continue stomping around in their little Trumpertantrum, demanding that the world accommodate them, and then try to blame other people for their failure.

LMFAO Pot meet Kettle. SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Go to his web site and see for yourself.: DONALD J. TRUMP POSITIONS

Riiiiiight. Fuck the fact that he stands up in his speeches and interviews and directly contradicts his own platform. We should just ignore everything he says and cling to the ONE time he said what we wanted to hear.

You go with that, Chuckles. I personally don't find that at all convincing.

Contradicts his own platform? LMFAO you people are so ideoligically ignorant that you fail to comprehend much of anything, other than Cruz should have won, Trump stole it from Cruz, Cruz is who I whack off too before I go to sleep, yade, yada, yada. SMFH

I could care less what you find convincing.

Good. You and your fellow "Fuck you, you're stupid, I don't care if you vote for Trump, so THERE!" cultists go right ahead and elect him with just your votes, then.

The more you shitstains talk, the more I want to NOT vote for him just so you'll lose. I hate Trump and Hillary equally, but in less than a week, you Trumpettes cockholsters have convinced me to hate YOU way more than I hate Clintonistas.

Shitstains? So the party means nothing to you, you would rather hold your ideological stupidity over the possibility of the Republicans atleast being able to pick the direction of the country over the next 8-20 years. SMFH

The party means nothing to me? Excuse me? I'M not the one who metaphorically laid on the floor, kicking and screaming and demanding Donald Trump for all these months because the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down". Trump's candidacy was ALL about anger at the party and smashing it, and now you have the unmitigated GALL and hypocrisy to come to me and and accuse ME of not caring about the party enough and demanding I fall in and goosestep up to the party line to accommodate you?

There is not enough "fuck yourself with a barbed wire dildo and die" in the world to express my opinion of you. "Shitstain" was clearly so inadequate as to be a compliment.

Demanding Trump all these months, the "establishment" needed to be "destroyed", and the GOP needed to be "burned down".? The will of the people voted, Cruz lost, get over it.

Coming to you accusing you of not caring and demanding to fall in line to accommodate me? Look, we know your butt hurt, but maybe in 4 years you can try again, or maybe in 8 years, who knows. SMFH Frankly I could care less what you think of me. :YAWN:

 

[Zoom-boing]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

 

[Zoom-boing]

“You know, when you put out a tax plan, you are going to start negotiating,” he said. “You don’t say, ‘OK, this is our tax plan, lots of luck, folks.’ There will be negotiation back and forth. And I can see that going up, to be honest with you.”

But you're NOT NEGOTIATING YET, Mr. Trump! You're not even to the general election yet! All that happened was a liberal goofball reporter confronted you about your tax plan and you BAILED!

They will excuse anything he says. It's like 2008 and obama all over again.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

"Trump put out a tax plan last year that included major cuts to income, estate and business taxes for the ultra-wealthy along with far less generous cuts for the middle class. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated his plan would cut the tax bill for the top 1 percent of earners by about $275,000 a year on average and for the top 0.1 percent by $1.3 million. The overall cost would be $9.5 trillion over a decade.

“I fight like hell to pay as little as possible,” Trump said at an event announcing his plan in September.

But that was the old Trump. Pressed by CNBC on Thursday as to how he could simultaneously brand himself as a populist who will take on wealthy elites while proposing sweeping tax cuts for billionaires, Trump backed away from his plan.

RELATED: Donald Trump’s rapidly changing policy positions

“I am not necessarily a huge fan of that,” he said. “I am so much more into the middle class who have just been absolutely forgotten in our country.”

Trump described his tax proposal, which was the most detailed policy paper he put out in the campaign, as merely a starting point for a future deal.

“You know, when you put out a tax plan, you are going to start negotiating,” he said. “You don’t say, ‘OK, this is our tax plan, lots of luck, folks.’ There will be negotiation back and forth. And I can see that going up, to be honest with you.”

It’s important to note that these disproportionately large cuts for the rich aren’t a minor side feature of his plan, they’re the heart of it. A whopping 67 percent of the overall cost of his individual tax cuts would go to toward benefiting the top 20 percent of earners and 35 percent of it would go to the top 1 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center’s analysis.

Trump’s abrupt dismissal of his own tax plan, which he regularly cited on the campaign trail, came a day after he signaled a willingness to raise the federal minimum wage, which would be a major reversal from his stance in the primaries."

Link to his original tax plan at site.

BREAKING. Donald Trump Renounces His Own Tax Plan | RedState

Look at that, your link refers back to the very link I have been using coming directly from Trumps own web site. Funny how your link fails to point out Trump removing the following from paying any taxes:

If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.​

Are these low income filers not benefiting from Trumps tax plan?

But then from your link as well:

I’m not going to argue the merits of Trump’s Potemkin Tax Plan anymore than I take seriously any analysis by the left-wing Tax Policy Center. The fact is that any reduction is federal income tax is going to primarily benefit, wait for it, people paying federal income tax.​

Why do you think your link failed to point out the 75M low income households that would benefit from not having to pay in? Is it because it doesn't make for a good soundbite? SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

Oh yes the Liberal web sites that accuse a Republican of flip flopping. OK. SMFH

 

[Liquid Reigns]

ruz supported Ethanol mandates, I never stated he supported Ethanol Subsidies, not even Trump supported Ethanol Subsidies...

Not only did he say in Iowa that he supported them, he plans to EXPAND them!

Really? You should quit reading headlines and start reading your links. Reality is based on knowledge, not headlines, even if they do grab your attention.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

Oh yes the Liberal web sites that accuse a Republican of flip flopping. OK. SMFH

Poor thing, can't even go to the link and read/watch Trump's own words.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

Oh yes the Liberal web sites that accuse a Republican of flip flopping. OK. SMFH

Poor thing, can't even go to the link and read/watch Trump's own words.

Oh, I have. Nothing but soundbites claiming to be flip flops, got to love politics. SMFH

So she confused H1B visas with Trumps talk about F Student Visas.
Congress has already passed the bill and the President has signed it to build so much fence along the border, Obama stopped the fence short by over 100 miles, all Trump is going to do is finish it.
Dreamers can go with their parents, whats wrong with deporting them all?

So what were the flip flops?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Trump Continues to Flip-Flop on Key Issues

10 Donald Trump flip-flops - CNNPolitics.com

The Policies Donald Trump Has Changed His Mind On

Trump has record of flip-flops – though it hasn’t stopped rise in polls | Fox News

Trump flip-flops on skilled worker visas three times in day

No one really knows what Trump's policy positions are because Trump doesn't know. He blows which ever way his 'very good brain that he consults' blows.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

Oh yes the Liberal web sites that accuse a Republican of flip flopping. OK. SMFH

Poor thing, can't even go to the link and read/watch Trump's own words.

Oh, I have. Nothing but soundbites claiming to be flip flops, got to love politics. SMFH

So Trump's own words contradicting himself are sound bites? Good God, you've lost it.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Trump Continues to Flip-Flop on Key Issues

10 Donald Trump flip-flops - CNNPolitics.com

The Policies Donald Trump Has Changed His Mind On

Trump has record of flip-flops – though it hasn’t stopped rise in polls | Fox News

Trump flip-flops on skilled worker visas three times in day

No one really knows what Trump's policy positions are because Trump doesn't know. He blows which ever way his 'very good brain that he consults' blows.

They make good sound bites :YAWN:

 

[Foxfyre]

I am sure there are a lot of very disappointed conservatives out there who are just throwing up their hands today and saying... well, now what? Trump is the GOP nominee and once again, Conservative voters are left in the lurch without a candidate to support for president of the United States. Today, we're having to endure the sickening gloating of the Trump brigade as they parade around on their victory lap, taking their final pot shots and being the smug and arrogant assholes they've learned to be under their leader.

Fear not, the battle may be over but the war rages on. This isn't over by a damn sight and it won't be over regardless of who wins in November. Our focus must now shift to the congressional races where we stand to make great headway in the house and senate. Now more than ever, our strength and resolve becomes crucial. We can't abandon this fight... not now... not ever. We've suffered a setback, that's for sure. It hurts, I know. But we have to press on for the sake of our children, our grandchildren and this country we love so much.

Naturally, we want to know what went wrong. How did we end up on the short end of the stick in this primary which started with such high hopes? The answer is not simple but it can be summed up easily. The establishment GOP is getting their just rewards for abandoning conservative values. Us conservatives would have liked for that to have come in the form of a new conservative revival and for the first time in 40 years, a conservative choice for president. We came close but no one could have estimated the level of anger from those who are simply fed up with politics as usual in Washington. Too many were simply so fed up they weren't willing to give anyone a chance with a message other than "burn the place to the ground and shake it to the foundation because we're fed up." They didn't really care about messages, they just wanted someone who isn't a political insider because that's all they believe they can trust now. And... some of this can be blamed on actual conservatives who were sent to Washington to change things then abandoned their conservatism.

So maybe this is for the best... maybe we needed this? Granted, it's not what seems the best... it's worse than taking a dose of bad tasting medicine. But maybe we need to get this out of our system so we can return to a clean slate and then start to rebuild a true and strong coalition of conservative values? Once the real Donald Trump becomes known, there will be many who regret their choice. He may or may not defeat Hillary in November and some of us may feel obligated to support him even though he makes their blood boil. I can't tell you what is the right thing to do because I think it's a personal decision you'll have to make.

For me personally, I am not ready to support Donald Trump. I think he needs to unify this party and to do so he needs to advance core conservative principles. It's not our obligation to abandon our beliefs and move toward him, it's his duty as the GOP nominee to reassure the base that we can be united under principles we can all be proud to support in November. If he can't do that or his ego won't let him do that, or his supporters refuse to embrace such a concept, they will do so at their own peril. Clearly, this is out of the control of conservatives now, we can't do anything about what Trump does going forward, that's entirely his prerogative. But there are millions and millions of American conservative voters who are listening and waiting for a reason they should vote for this man in November.

Forget about Trumps antagonistic and frenzied base of supporters... they really don't matter here. What they have to say doesn't matter. They are all giddy with excitement like they just won the championship football game and full of beans. They have already demonstrated they will support Trump no matter what he says or how many times he transitions from one side of a position to another. It's a proven quantity and we know that. What matters is what Trump does. He can either continue to alienate conservatives or he can attempt to bring them into the big tent. The course he takes will have a tremendous effect on his general election bid.

I think sometimes Republicans, even conservative ones, sometimes fail to see the forest for the trees. And while we're on clichés, they sometimes do cut off their noses to spite their face, throw the baby out with the bath water, etc.

Okay you have a Donald Trump as the GOP/conservative standard bearer. A quite imperfect Republican or standard bearer for sure. But did we have anybody running who wasn't imperfect in some way?

The point is the people aren't willing to be ideologues or party faithful at this time. They want the important stuff that is screwed up fixed. They want the permanent political class in Washington set back on its heels and some real honest to goodness reforms done. They are sick of status quo, lip service without any substance, and political correctness that is destroying liberties and free speech while not making anything better.

So you have one candidate out of the 17 who initially signed up who understood all that and who set out to do something about it. Everybody else was offering band aids within the establishment, but not really shaking up the status quo. Ted Cruz was close to being different, but he was too blinded by his own unbending ideological purity to understand why it wasn't playing well. So we got a Donald Trump who not only got it, but who inspired confidence that he might actually be able to pull off at least some of it.

So let him do that. Let him get the country working again if he can, get people back to work, get wages moving up again, and take care of some of the issues that are dragging everything down. Once we are strong and healthy again, then enough people might see the value in conservatism to start working on restoring those values.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Because the responses aren't cookie cut phrases? His track record is to the left because of donations? SMFH He's talked at how many CPAC conventions? Hint: quite a few. He even supported McCain in 2008. His positions have been pretty consistent.

No, they haven't.

Read. Learn.

Here's a list of Trumps constantly changing positions.

Here Are All of Donald Trump's Flip-Flops on Big Issues

Oh yes the Liberal web sites that accuse a Republican of flip flopping. OK. SMFH

Poor thing, can't even go to the link and read/watch Trump's own words.

Oh, I have. Nothing but soundbites claiming to be flip flops, got to love politics. SMFH

So Trump's own words contradicting himself are sound bites? Good God, you've lost it.

Trumps own words? The video from your link doesn't show any flip flops. In fact the Megan Kelly question regarding "high skilled workers" she was referring to Trump wanting to keep F Visa Students here verse sending them back. Megan tried to play a gotcha with it by inferring H1B visas, but oh well.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Trump Continues to Flip-Flop on Key Issues

10 Donald Trump flip-flops - CNNPolitics.com

The Policies Donald Trump Has Changed His Mind On

Trump has record of flip-flops – though it hasn’t stopped rise in polls | Fox News

Trump flip-flops on skilled worker visas three times in day

No one really knows what Trump's policy positions are because Trump doesn't know. He blows which ever way his 'very good brain that he consults' blows.

They make good sound bites :YAWN:

You're no different than the leftists fawning over obama. Your response it the same: attack the source, mock andor ignore the content.