Constitutional Right To Peacefully Assemble Latest 'Victim' of Govt COVID-19 Crackdown

[Dragonlady]

That's ridiculous. The morons who are insisting on their "freedom" are doing so out of hatred for their neighbors. They need to start showing some patriotism and respect for others. There is no such thing as being responsible only for your own safety. The entire field of tort law is based on the concept that the risk posed to others was foreseeable.

That's why we have lawsuits. You have the burden to prove that I infected you.

Yes. I do hate some of the "neighbors" that are commies and authoritarians. I don't want them telling me how to live my live. They are the real disease, not COVID-19.

My mere existence and presence is not and cannot be considered a threat. That is the epitome of oppression. In that sense, I am not responsible for your risk.

BTW: the other day when I was shopping and picking up something in the refrigerated section (which has glass doors) a white male approximately 45-55 walked straight up to me and reached around me, forcing me to step aside six feet, and then proceeded to do a ten-minute inspection of every package; no mask, no gloves, handled many items before finally picking one, this me standing there all the while. He forced me back. There should be a way to punish this sort of scum.

Assholes also have liberty, unfortunately. Good thing you were protected with a mask and gloves, right? Good thing YOU took responsibility for your own safety, right? You think all those packages have not been exposed? You REALLY think items in a store are pristine?

Did you get sick from this evil white dude? No? You have not been harmed. Quit bitching.

Incidentally, I identified this perp by race, sex, and approximate age due to the current idiotic practice on this board of identifying wrongdoers according to these characteristics so that the misconduct can be properly "credited" to the correct demographic group(s).

How racist/sexist of you.

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Likewise, it probably never even occurred to her, that he might have already have been infected, recovered and now has an immunity. Why should be inconvenienced with a mask and gloves, or worry about "distancing" if he is immune?

Living in fear actually compromises one's immune system. Folks just need to stop watching the TEE VEE so much and RELAX.

Because both South Korea and Italy are reporting numerous cases of peole who had the virus, recovered, and have now become infected a second time. They had no acquired immunity. The numbers of these second wave infections is large enough to raise the issue of "no herd immunity".

 

[easyt65]

Do you have any clue what you are talking about? We know you are the racist. You have no credibility and you are the one who posts garbage.

Well thank you for proving YOU have no clue what YOU are talking about!

I ask you to show me the exact Constitutional document giving these politicians the authority to suspend / limit Constitutional Rights & you:

1. Tell me to show you where it says they CAN'T.
-- That's easy (no pun intended) - THE CONSTITUTION

2. you prove you CAN'T provide such a document

3. You call me a racist (oldest snowflake/ Dem fall-back ever)
-- BTW, moron, I am Native American. (One of your board brethren hillariously attempted to call me 'WHITE trash' yesterday because he was so frustrated by not being able to provide anything but opinion to back up their claim....)

But thank you for playing and demonstrating you are a hate-driven, emotionally-manipulated, ignorant, TDS-suffering sheep.

 

[busybee01]

There does not have to be a crime committed for a impeachment.

Wrong thread for your TDS-suffering meltdown, lil' snowflake. This thread is about COVID-19, not about the political partisan abuse of power in an admitted political coup attempt to remove a President from power based on zero crime, zero evidence, and zero witnesses.

Feel free to post on one of the MANY other threads discussing that ... or start your own ... but try to stick to the main topic of COVID-19 here.

You are the one who brought it up.

I was dealing in facts, not the continued delusions of butt-hurt TDS-suffering snowflakes.

You have no facts whatsoever. You are not a doctor but you talk like one. You are the TDS sufferer. TDS causes Trump supporters to say stupid things to defend him. You are the perfect model.

 

[Pogo]

YOUR OWN LINK'S TITLE specifies "car crashes". Essplain to the class what a crash has to do with an infection.
Besides which, said car would have to be moving or in the vicinity of others moving. I did not stipulate that.

You lose.

For the love of Sasquatch pussy!!!



You cannot be serious.

Is it a risk to drive or ride in a car? Answer that question first.
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If someone who is positive rides in my neighbour's car and I get into the car after he drops them off, yes, I can get sick from riding in a car. If the person I am riding with is positive, I can get sick riding in the car with them.

I know all of this sounds extreme, but it's working everywhere where people just hunkered down. We're almost at a place where Canada can re-open. I can get face masks at my local pharmacy and I'm out in the middle of nowhere. We don't even have a ventilator in our county, but we have PPE's and tests, and we're fine.

The point that you and Pogo have completely ignored, is that we accept AT LEAST THE SAME LEVEL of risk of death from car accidents as the risk posed by this virus. Yet, NOBODY is calling for a ban on cars. Nobody is shutting down the highways.

Why is it okay to accept the same level of risk in one case and not the other?

FOR POLITICAL REASONS???

Why, yes. It IS for political reasons. A bad economy caused by a shutdown helps the commies.

What a desperate leap.

Go ahead, show the class an example of a Honda Accord "infecting" a Chevy Blazer. Show me how my car can get sick by using the same highway as an "infected" Studebaker.

Friggin' nutball.

 

[MisterBeale]

Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?

The shut down sucks, but the whining (and I'm not talking about job loss, a valid complaint) but the whining about not being able to get together in large groups is pretty shallow.

Quarantine is nothing new. Restricting large gatherings is during an epidemic is nothing new. But this level of whining is.

Anyone over 70 probably remembers quarantine during the polio outbreaks...

“But absolutely, when coronavirus hit, the first thing I thought of were those summers in the 1940s, how you couldn’t go to pools, you couldn’t go to the movies, you just stayed home,” says Gray, who as a child lived in Kansas City. “When I was in high school, a wonderful young man got polio. It was just so terrifying for us.”

If you're sick of my whining you are welcome to pay my bill's and give me the necessary money to keep my business afloat.
Until then you can deal with it.

So you're embracing socialism now are you Gramps?

By force, apparently.

Do you see why we think there's a communist conspiracy afoot?

Because you're a nidiot engulfed in flames of irrational paranoia?
Say, are you simultaneously on a campaign to get the fluroide out of the water system, prove the moon landing never happened and remove the microchips from all our brains?

You are the one telling folks that they should stay home and not protest for fear of getting a little sick from something that has statisticly ZERO chance of killing you if you are a healthy person. . . and you are calling others paranoid?



I mean shit, Coyote wants to compares this mild respiratory infection with Polio, this shit has gotten insane, BATSHIT insane, b/c some folks do not read the literature, nor do any critical thinking of their own.

. . . or they are spooks, can't tell which, I honestly don't know to tell the truth.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Because both South Korea and Italy are reporting numerous cases of peole who had the virus, recovered, and have now become infected a second time. They had no acquired immunity. The numbers of these second wave infections is large enough to raise the issue of "no herd immunity".

Sounds like all efforts are hopeless and futile to me. If I am going to get infected and RE-infected, fuck it.

No more stay at home for me. Fuck off with that shit. This thing is going to come back around over and over again. No point in quarantining.

Nature is thinning the herd. This is natural selection at work. We should just let it happen, given that there is no immunity.



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[MisterBeale]

There does not have to be a crime committed for a impeachment.

Wrong thread for your TDS-suffering meltdown, lil' snowflake. This thread is about COVID-19, not about the political partisan abuse of power in an admitted political coup attempt to remove a President from power based on zero crime, zero evidence, and zero witnesses.

Feel free to post on one of the MANY other threads discussing that ... or start your own ... but try to stick to the main topic of COVID-19 here.

You are the one who brought it up.

I was dealing in facts, not the continued delusions of butt-hurt TDS-suffering snowflakes.

You have no facts whatsoever. You are not a doctor but you talk like one. You are the TDS sufferer. TDS causes Trump supporters to say stupid things to defend him. You are the perfect model.

. . . because only doctors know how to read, and only they have the capacity for critical thinking . . .

 

[easyt65]

When you equate common sense public health and safety in the midst of a worldwide pandemic to political oppression, you've lost all rational perspective.

COMMON SENSE - Like opposing a travel ban, and calling the President a Xenophobe for imposing one while telling people COVID-19 poses no risk, to go about their business, to herd in large numbers, and to 'come to Chinatown' like Pelosi was doing in mid-to-late February?

Bwuhahahahahaha......

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Go ahead, show the class an example of a Honda Accord "infecting" a Chevy Blazer. Show me how my car can get sick by using the same highway as an "infected" Studebaker.

Are you deliberately trying to look like an idiot?


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[Pogo]

Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?

The shut down sucks, but the whining (and I'm not talking about job loss, a valid complaint) but the whining about not being able to get together in large groups is pretty shallow.

Quarantine is nothing new. Restricting large gatherings is during an epidemic is nothing new. But this level of whining is.

Anyone over 70 probably remembers quarantine during the polio outbreaks...

“But absolutely, when coronavirus hit, the first thing I thought of were those summers in the 1940s, how you couldn’t go to pools, you couldn’t go to the movies, you just stayed home,” says Gray, who as a child lived in Kansas City. “When I was in high school, a wonderful young man got polio. It was just so terrifying for us.”

If you're sick of my whining you are welcome to pay my bill's and give me the necessary money to keep my business afloat.
Until then you can deal with it.

So you're embracing socialism now are you Gramps?

By force, apparently.

Do you see why we think there's a communist conspiracy afoot?

Because you're a nidiot engulfed in flames of irrational paranoia?
Say, are you simultaneously on a campaign to get the fluroide out of the water system, prove the moon landing never happened and remove the microchips from all our brains?

You are the one telling folks that they should stay home and not protest for fear of getting a little sick from something that has statisticly ZERO chance of killing you if you are a healthy person. . . and you are calling others paranoid?



I mean shit, Coyote wants to compares this mild respiratory infection with Polio, this shit has gotten insane, BATSHIT insane, b/c some folks do not read the literature, nor do any critical thinking of their own.

. . . or they are spooks, can't tell which, I honestly don't know to tell the truth.

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?

The shut down sucks, but the whining (and I'm not talking about job loss, a valid complaint) but the whining about not being able to get together in large groups is pretty shallow.

Quarantine is nothing new. Restricting large gatherings is during an epidemic is nothing new. But this level of whining is.

Anyone over 70 probably remembers quarantine during the polio outbreaks...

“But absolutely, when coronavirus hit, the first thing I thought of were those summers in the 1940s, how you couldn’t go to pools, you couldn’t go to the movies, you just stayed home,” says Gray, who as a child lived in Kansas City. “When I was in high school, a wonderful young man got polio. It was just so terrifying for us.”

If you're sick of my whining you are welcome to pay my bill's and give me the necessary money to keep my business afloat.
Until then you can deal with it.

So you're embracing socialism now are you Gramps?

By force, apparently.

Do you see why we think there's a communist conspiracy afoot?

Because you're a nidiot engulfed in flames of irrational paranoia?
Say, are you simultaneously on a campaign to get the fluroide out of the water system, prove the moon landing never happened and remove the microchips from all our brains?

You are the one telling folks that they should stay home and not protest for fear of getting a little sick from something that has statisticly ZERO chance of killing you if you are a healthy person. . . and you are calling others paranoid?



I mean shit, Coyote wants to compares this mild respiratory infection with Polio, this shit has gotten insane, BATSHIT insane, b/c some folks do not read the literature, nor do any critical thinking of their own.

. . . or they are spooks, can't tell which, I honestly don't know to tell the truth.

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

How would you know what you already posted? You can barely follow your stream of consciousness.

 

[Dragonlady]

1. Do my constitutional rights give me the right to put other people in danger?

I think the courts have consistently said...no.

Whether or not your rights put others "in danger" is irrelevant. There must be an injury/harm, not the risk of harm.

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In that case Typhoid Mary had every right to continue working in the food industry.

In this case, all working people in America are Typhoid Mary and must stay home and get evicted and lose their jobs...
Because why? I don't get it. Why?

Perhaps if we had mandated paid sick leave that wouldn’t be necessary...

I am not the one claiming to have answers. How do you balance public safety and individual rights?

Whenever there is any question, you err on the side of freedom.

Why?

You would rather err on the side of oppression? Pls explain where you are coming from on this.

There is no oppression. This is about public safety.

Oppression is always about public safety. You are oppressed for your own good.

And there you would dead wrong. Oppression is always about protecting the authoritarian leader and his regime, not the people. That's what defines it as "oppression".

People who are sick and have no health insurance are opressed. People who have "essential" minimum wage jobs who have no choice but to go to work with no PPE's or hand sanitizer, who are getting sick and dying from this disease, are oppressed.

But the fools like you being asked to sit home for their own safety, are not being "oppressed" in any way.

 

[Pogo]

Go ahead, show the class an example of a Honda Accord "infecting" a Chevy Blazer. Show me how my car can get sick by using the same highway as an "infected" Studebaker.

Are you deliberately trying to look like an idiot?

I'm mocking yours. Are you saying you can't do it? Because if you can't you'll have to give up that False Equivalence.

Seen it before btw, on the gun violence canard-arguments. It's a remix. BORing.

 

[Pogo]

Is anyone getting tired of this rightwing whine fest about "shut downs" and "constitutional rights"?

The shut down sucks, but the whining (and I'm not talking about job loss, a valid complaint) but the whining about not being able to get together in large groups is pretty shallow.

Quarantine is nothing new. Restricting large gatherings is during an epidemic is nothing new. But this level of whining is.

Anyone over 70 probably remembers quarantine during the polio outbreaks...

“But absolutely, when coronavirus hit, the first thing I thought of were those summers in the 1940s, how you couldn’t go to pools, you couldn’t go to the movies, you just stayed home,” says Gray, who as a child lived in Kansas City. “When I was in high school, a wonderful young man got polio. It was just so terrifying for us.”

If you're sick of my whining you are welcome to pay my bill's and give me the necessary money to keep my business afloat.
Until then you can deal with it.

So you're embracing socialism now are you Gramps?

By force, apparently.

Do you see why we think there's a communist conspiracy afoot?

Because you're a nidiot engulfed in flames of irrational paranoia?
Say, are you simultaneously on a campaign to get the fluroide out of the water system, prove the moon landing never happened and remove the microchips from all our brains?

You are the one telling folks that they should stay home and not protest for fear of getting a little sick from something that has statisticly ZERO chance of killing you if you are a healthy person. . . and you are calling others paranoid?



I mean shit, Coyote wants to compares this mild respiratory infection with Polio, this shit has gotten insane, BATSHIT insane, b/c some folks do not read the literature, nor do any critical thinking of their own.

. . . or they are spooks, can't tell which, I honestly don't know to tell the truth.

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

How would you know what you already posted? You can barely follow your stream of consciousness.

Ondce AGAIN --- the operative phrase is "prove me wrong". It can't be done. Prove THAT wrong or STFU.

 

[easyt65]

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

And since your opinion is that staying home is not required then forcing Americans exercising their constitutional Right to assemble to disperse / go home - and arresting those who refused - was / is an Un-Constitutional limiting / suppression of those rights, correct?

 

[MisterBeale]

That's ridiculous. The morons who are insisting on their "freedom" are doing so out of hatred for their neighbors. They need to start showing some patriotism and respect for others. There is no such thing as being responsible only for your own safety. The entire field of tort law is based on the concept that the risk posed to others was foreseeable.

That's why we have lawsuits. You have the burden to prove that I infected you.

Yes. I do hate some of the "neighbors" that are commies and authoritarians. I don't want them telling me how to live my live. They are the real disease, not COVID-19.

My mere existence and presence is not and cannot be considered a threat. That is the epitome of oppression. In that sense, I am not responsible for your risk.

BTW: the other day when I was shopping and picking up something in the refrigerated section (which has glass doors) a white male approximately 45-55 walked straight up to me and reached around me, forcing me to step aside six feet, and then proceeded to do a ten-minute inspection of every package; no mask, no gloves, handled many items before finally picking one, this me standing there all the while. He forced me back. There should be a way to punish this sort of scum.

Assholes also have liberty, unfortunately. Good thing you were protected with a mask and gloves, right? Good thing YOU took responsibility for your own safety, right? You think all those packages have not been exposed? You REALLY think items in a store are pristine?

Did you get sick from this evil white dude? No? You have not been harmed. Quit bitching.

Incidentally, I identified this perp by race, sex, and approximate age due to the current idiotic practice on this board of identifying wrongdoers according to these characteristics so that the misconduct can be properly "credited" to the correct demographic group(s).

How racist/sexist of you.

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Likewise, it probably never even occurred to her, that he might have already have been infected, recovered and now has an immunity. Why should be inconvenienced with a mask and gloves, or worry about "distancing" if he is immune?

Living in fear actually compromises one's immune system. Folks just need to stop watching the TEE VEE so much and RELAX.

Because both South Korea and Italy are reporting numerous cases of peole who had the virus, recovered, and have now become infected a second time. They had no acquired immunity. The numbers of these second wave infections is large enough to raise the issue of "no herd immunity".

Which means, one of two things. . .

A) Either they never got over it to begin with, this virus acts more like HIV, Herps, colds sores, etc. Once you get, you have it. End of story. It becomes part of your biological make up. You need to boost your immune system with healthy food, sunshine, a proper Ph balance, and just suppress the shit out of it. . .

What does that mean? Given the transmission rates. . . you need to face up to the fact, that you WILL eventually get it, so will everyone living on the planet right now, either that, or they will die.

OR

B) the corporate/government/ intelligence embedded media is lying about this, as they do about a lot of things, and there are several strains of respiratory virus going around right now.

I do not know which is the case.

It is probable that even the medical community doesn't quite know yet.

I have read some pretty reliable pieces about both possibilities. There are too many unknowns.

Either way, it is irrelevant, we live in a free society. If you want total security and the government controlling the actions of others, plane tickets to Cuba, Iran and China are probably quite reasonably right now.

 

[Siete]

one dr said trump was on the 2nd hole of a 72 hole golf tournament -

keep it up morons, prolong the virus for a couple more years, see what it gets you.

BITCH, ASSEMBLE, GET SICK, REPEAT -

no telling how long youre capable of making the country wither on the vine .....

 

[Mac-7]

I think most people do not know how horrible the economy will be after the helicopter money ends
their lives will be turned upside down in a worse way than it is now

Somewhere in this mad political scramble for cash the real intent of the stimulus was lost. The initial intent was to pay Americans what they needed not to lose their homes, starve, etc...while paying business so they could stay afloat, keep paying their sidelined workers, and when the economy opened back up all they had to do was go back to work, turn on the lights, unlock the doors, and pick up where we left off....

That was the VOICED intent I heard from several politicians.......that, again, got lost and was never going to happen.

Look at it this way......snowflakes don't get to claim Trump 'inherited a good economy' from Barry now. From here on out what happens to the economy as a result of this disaster is officially on Trump, whether he succeeds or fails. Personally I hope - for the good of the country - it can be turned back on and we start climbing again.

The question I have, though, is....


WHEN THE ECONOMY IS 'TURNED BACK ON', ARE THE DEMOCRATS / SNOWFLAKES GOING TO PULL FOR THE ECONOMY TO REBOUND FOR THE GOOD OF THE NATION / AMERIAN PEOPLE....OR ARE THEY GOING TOI PULL FOR MISERY, POVERTY, AND FAILURE IN HOPES TRUMP WILL BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE?

We absolutely get to claim Trump inherited a good economy. It's a fact.

Whatever you call it trump made it better

 

[Dragonlady]

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

And since your opinion is that staying home is not required then forcing Americans exercising their constitutional Right to assemble to disperse / go home - and arresting those who refused - was / is an Un-Constitutional limiting / suppression of those rights, correct?

GET BACK TO ME WHEN THE POLICE START SHOOTING FOOLS WHO LEAVE THEIR HOMES.

UNTIL THEN, BY ALL MEANS KEEP SPREADING THIS THING AROUND BECAUSE THE LONGER YOU KEEP GOING OUT AND SPREADING THE VIRUS, THE LONGER THE COUNTRY WILL BE SHUT DOWN.

 

[Siete]

More dishonesty. I've posted nothing about "staying home" except to note that it's not required, and nothing at all about "not protesting". Prove me wrong.

And since your opinion is that staying home is not required then forcing Americans exercising their constitutional Right to assemble to disperse / go home - and arresting those who refused - was / is an Un-Constitutional limiting / suppression of those rights, correct?

GET BACK TO ME WHEN THE POLICE START SHOOTING FOOLS WHO LEAVE THEIR HOMES.

UNTIL THEN, BY ALL MEANS KEEP SPREADING THIS THING AROUND BECAUSE THE LONGER YOU KEEP GOING OUT AND SPREADING THE VIRUS, THE LONGER THE COUNTRY WILL BE SHUT DOWN.

the board Russians could care less.