Contraception - a discussion

[Triton]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Not a Government issue. Time to get the Government out of the bedroom. No more having it both ways. The Government doesn't belong being involved with such private personal matters. And they definitely shouldn't be forcing anyone to pay for someone else's Contraception & Abortions. Taxpayers are not required to fund fellow Citizens' personal sexual behavior. It's the individual Citizens' responsibility to fund their own behavior. You want to be promiscuous and have several Abortions? Well then you have to take personal responsibility and fund that behavior yourself. It's not your fellow Citizens' responsibility to do that. Big Government needs to be booted out of these personal social issues. They're clearly over-reaching now.

I find this issue rather interesting myself. The left yells and holler that they demand government to stay out of the bedroom and "private affairs" with respect to Defense Of Marriage Act and same sex marriage, yet they really don't want government out of the bedroom because the left is now trying everything to connect contraception with the notion that it's somehow a HEALTH issue. It's not a health issue in the respect that mamograms are, it's just another "give me, give me" entitlement.
What exactly entitles government to give you free contraception, to in effect have taxpayers PAY for your extracurricular activities?

Health insurance should be treated with various cover options with everyone that seeks to have health care coverage paying for BASIC services. If you want the cadillac option that includes free contraception, free viagra, free gym membership and weight loss programs, etc. then that individual must pay for the added individual premium coverage for those desired programs. Government should stay out of issues such as these, period. It's not the Federal Government's job to be and act as the "responsible" parent, because some complaining entitlement supporters choose not to be.

Contraception is about family planning, not about wild sex. You can have wild sex without contraception. It is in the interest of the society that unwanted children be kept to a minimum. It reduces the abortion rate, the number of children born to single mothers and the burden on society

As such, government has the right to require insurance companies, which make a tremendous amount of money off of our society to include contraceptive coverage. We tried to implement a government insurance option and insurance companies spent billions to block it. This is part of their payback

Every Progressive leader from Hitler, to Mao to Pol Pot feel just as you do

 

[Syphon]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Most contraception is used by married couples who are trying to responsibly control the number of children they have. It is not about wild sex parties and sticking it where you want.......it's about responsible parenting

If insurance will pay for a vasectomy or tubal litigation....what is the moral opposition to birth control?

Insurance will pay for those because it's cheaper than the costs associated with a baby. It's an economic decision for the insurance company not a moral one

If it is dictated by the government it is not an economic decision, it is a political one.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

Still think the sky is green?

 

[Syphon]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

Still think the sky is green?

still think you dont pay for it? hows that ignorance working out for you?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

Still think the sky is green?

still think you dont pay for it? hows that ignorance working out for you?

You should step outside and look up, you might learn something.

 

[Syphon]

Still think the sky is green?

still think you dont pay for it? hows that ignorance working out for you?

You should step outside and look up, you might learn something.

you should finish that GED, it might help you be less of a wingbag

 

[California Girl]

Not a Government issue. Time to get the Government out of the bedroom. No more having it both ways. The Government doesn't belong being involved with such private personal matters. And they definitely shouldn't be forcing anyone to pay for someone else's Contraception & Abortions. Taxpayers are not required to fund fellow Citizens' personal sexual behavior. It's the individual Citizens' responsibility to fund their own behavior. You want to be promiscuous and have several Abortions? Well then you have to take personal responsibility and fund that behavior yourself. It's not your fellow Citizens' responsibility to do that. Big Government needs to be booted out of these personal social issues. They're clearly over-reaching now.

I find this issue rather interesting myself. The left yells and holler that they demand government to stay out of the bedroom and "private affairs" with respect to Defense Of Marriage Act and same sex marriage, yet they really don't want government out of the bedroom because the left is now trying everything to connect contraception with the notion that it's somehow a HEALTH issue. It's not a health issue in the respect that mamograms are, it's just another "give me, give me" entitlement.
What exactly entitles government to give you free contraception, to in effect have taxpayers PAY for your extracurricular activities?

Health insurance should be treated with various cover options with everyone that seeks to have health care coverage paying for BASIC services. If you want the cadillac option that includes free contraception, free viagra, free gym membership and weight loss programs, etc. then that individual must pay for the added individual premium coverage for those desired programs. Government should stay out of issues such as these, period. It's not the Federal Government's job to be and act as the "responsible" parent, because some complaining entitlement supporters choose not to be.

Contraception is about family planning, not about wild sex. You can have wild sex without contraception. It is in the interest of the society that unwanted children be kept to a minimum. It reduces the abortion rate, the number of children born to single mothers and the burden on society

As such, government has the right to require insurance companies, which make a tremendous amount of money off of our society to include contraceptive coverage. We tried to implement a government insurance option and insurance companies spent billions to block it. This is part of their payback

But it remains against the teachings of some religions. It is our First Amendment right not to have the government force us to pay for something against our faith. I don't care how much 'wild sex' anyone has.... as long as I don't pay for facilitating it or the consequences of it.

Your rights do not outweigh mine, and no government can force us to go against our faith.

You people (and by you people I mean everyone who thinks that all insurance policies must cover birth control) have no respect for anyone but your own selfish wants. That is not the American way.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

still think you dont pay for it? hows that ignorance working out for you?

You should step outside and look up, you might learn something.

you should finish that GED, it might help you be less of a wingbag

You do know I chose my user name, don't you?

 

[The T]

I find this issue rather interesting myself. The left yells and holler that they demand government to stay out of the bedroom and "private affairs" with respect to Defense Of Marriage Act and same sex marriage, yet they really don't want government out of the bedroom because the left is now trying everything to connect contraception with the notion that it's somehow a HEALTH issue. It's not a health issue in the respect that mamograms are, it's just another "give me, give me" entitlement.
What exactly entitles government to give you free contraception, to in effect have taxpayers PAY for your extracurricular activities?

Health insurance should be treated with various cover options with everyone that seeks to have health care coverage paying for BASIC services. If you want the cadillac option that includes free contraception, free viagra, free gym membership and weight loss programs, etc. then that individual must pay for the added individual premium coverage for those desired programs. Government should stay out of issues such as these, period. It's not the Federal Government's job to be and act as the "responsible" parent, because some complaining entitlement supporters choose not to be.

Contraception is about family planning, not about wild sex. You can have wild sex without contraception. It is in the interest of the society that unwanted children be kept to a minimum. It reduces the abortion rate, the number of children born to single mothers and the burden on society

As such, government has the right to require insurance companies, which make a tremendous amount of money off of our society to include contraceptive coverage. We tried to implement a government insurance option and insurance companies spent billions to block it. This is part of their payback

But it remains against the teachings of some religions. It is our First Amendment right not to have the government force us to pay for something against our faith. I don't care how much 'wild sex' anyone has.... as long as I don't pay for facilitating it or the consequences of it.

Your rights do not outweigh mine, and no government can force us to go against our faith.

You people (and by you people I mean everyone who thinks that all insurance policies must cover birth control) have no respect for anyone but your own selfish wants. That is not the American way.

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[Triton]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

What does that have to do with the point that the government should not be forcing people to pay for other people's contraception or force insurance companies to provide coverage for contraception?

 

[TheLonelySquire]

The Catholic church should concern themselves with trying to keep their house in order.
The pervert priests throughout the existence of the church should be of greater concern than what people think about contraception.

Fortunately the Catholic Church has been losing its power, and because of the pervert priest scandals, its money for some time now.

They are nothing more than hypocrites in a big way.

Hey, pervert priests are no better or worse than the homosexuals. That's for sure. No decent Catholic/Christian should support them. Hopefully both perversions are eradicated.

 

[Syphon]

At the same time the government should not be forcing people to pay for other's people's contraception or forcing insurance companies to offer coverage for contraception if they choose not too

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

What does that have to do with the point that the government should not be forcing people to pay for other people's contraception or force insurance companies to provide coverage for contraception?

the government didnt say you directly pay for other peoples health care idiot. the law says the health care providers can not change an extra co-pay or co-insurance for contraception. its not free, its simply included in the cost of your premium.

seeing as how you already pay for other peoples services, why are you not complaining about every other service your health care provider provides for no additional cost?

 

[Sunshine]

Have you ever noticed how many kids muslim families have? I have heard that there is a fatwa for each muslim couple to have no less than 5 children. Not sure if that is verifiable on the internet or not, though.

 

[earlycuyler]

The Catholic Church is opposed to contraception for moral reasons.

Where is the morality in creating a life when food and clean water are rare commodities? Where poverty exists and educational opportunities are non existent?

Where is the morality when disease is spread?

Where is the morality when a women is the victim of domestic violence? When a women is forced to conceive and then trapped as the child become a lever to gain more power and more control?

The Churches take on morality is theirs and theirs alone. As for the birth control issue-

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All info from the planned parenthood website with link provided. End of inaccessible birth control lie. As to the food and water issue, The Catholic Church alone, has done more to get more food and water to starving people then you have or ever will. Its there right to provide there employees what the will.

The point I made regarding food and clean water, as well as disease, was focused specifically on current events in Africa. Not only is the Catholic Church opposed to contraception but the Bush Adminsitrtion was opposed to any efforts to protect pregnanat women (and their unborn children) from disease - water born & AIDS - and poor prenatal nutrition.

I have no doubt the Catholic Church engages in good works and I have no problem with their moral objection to abortion. What I object to, strongly, is stupidity. How is preventing a child's conception a moral issue and how is it any business of the church. The answer is quite simple, more births = more Catholics = more power and money.

First of, dubya got more AIDS money to Africa then Obama. As for the Catholic thing, so ? Its up to the church members weather or not they control there reproduction. Thay just dont fly. They are doing just fine in the membership department.

 

[The T]

Have you ever noticed how many kids muslim families have? I have heard that there is a fatwa for each muslim couple to have no less than 5 children. Not sure if that is verifiable on the internet or not, though.

They wouldn't last in China, would they?

 

[Dr Grump]

Have you ever noticed how many kids muslim families have? I have heard that there is a fatwa for each muslim couple to have no less than 5 children. Not sure if that is verifiable on the internet or not, though.

They wouldn't last in China, would they?

There are 10s of millions of Muslims in China...

 

[Full-Auto]

Have you ever noticed how many kids muslim families have? I have heard that there is a fatwa for each muslim couple to have no less than 5 children. Not sure if that is verifiable on the internet or not, though.

They wouldn't last in China, would they?

There are 10s of millions of Muslims in China...

Yes there is, froggy they are not

 

[Triton]

you pay for other peoples health care every time you pay your insurance premiums.... are you protesting your current insurance company as right now?

What does that have to do with the point that the government should not be forcing people to pay for other people's contraception or force insurance companies to provide coverage for contraception?

the government didnt say you directly pay for other peoples health care idiot. the law says the health care providers can not change an extra co-pay or co-insurance for contraception. its not free, its simply included in the cost of your premium.

seeing as how you already pay for other peoples services, why are you not complaining about every other service your health care provider provides for no additional cost?

Again,

What does that have to do with the point that the government should not be forcing people to pay for other people's contraception or force insurance companies to provide coverage for contraception.

I don't have to have insurance, its still a choice.

How an insurance company uses the money from the premiums to pay for other people's health care is their business. If they want to charge extra for contraception coverage that is also also their business not the government's you arrogant prick.