Contraception is a lifestyle choice? But Viagra is for a "medical condition"?

[Cecilie1200]

So he needs a pill to assist him with his lifestyle choice? He doesn't have to have sex, does he?

Sorry, but making your body function as nature designed it is not a lifestyle choice. Blocking your body from functioning as nature designed it is.

So stopping painful periods is stopping your body from functioning normally?

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

 

[Cecilie1200]

For an older man to not be able to get an erection, that is also how the body is designed to work. It is a natural progression of aging. Therefore, older men wanting viagra so they can get erections is a lifestyle choice, not natural, not a medical condition.

Bullshit. God you women are presumptuous sometimes. Men as they get older don't care much for sex but they still get it up. Please peddle your sexist stereotypes elsewhere

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He's right. As men get older, the harder it is for them to get a hard on. All part of aging. Therefore, taking viagra to get it up is messing with the natural function of the body.

So shove that.

Yes, and as humans get older it gets harder for them to see and hear. Therefore, hearing aids and glaucoma medication are "lifestyle choices", because it's proper, correct, healthy functioning of the body for it to fall apart and become crippled. That's JUST like a 25-year-old girl tinkering with her hormones so that she doesn't ovulate.

Christ, the average IQ of the human race just dropped on the strength of this one thread, I swear.

 

[Cecilie1200]

For an older man to not be able to get an erection, that is also how the body is designed to work. It is a natural progression of aging. Therefore, older men wanting viagra so they can get erections is a lifestyle choice, not natural, not a medical condition.

Bullshit. God you women are presumptuous sometimes. Men as they get older don't care much for sex but they still get it up. Please peddle your sexist stereotypes elsewhere

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My opinion's been married couples may not be fantasizing about sex with one another as they get older (and there's no reason they should after years of seeing (and hearing) one another on the toilet.)

I think what the overall problem with ED really is is after a while your spouse simply doesn't arrouse you any more. Loving someone doesn't necessarily correlate to wanting to schtoop their brains out. So if a guy isn't comfortable masturbating or plaing with his spouse, after a while of disuse, things simply go into 'sleep' mode. When finally called upon to perform it's like the penis complains "why should I? You never write, you never call." Use it or lose it fellas.

Well, thank you for sharing that considered medical opinion, Dr. Schweitzer.

In most cases, erectile dysfunction is caused by something physical. Common causes include:

Heart disease
Clogged blood vessels (atherosclerosis)
High cholesterol
High blood pressure
Diabetes
Obesity
Metabolic syndrome, a condition involving increased blood pressure, high insulin levels, body fat around the waist and high cholesterol
Parkinson's disease
Multiple sclerosis
Low testosterone
Peyronie's disease, development of scar tissue inside the penis
Certain prescription medications
Tobacco use
Alcoholism and other forms of substance abuse
Treatments for prostate cancer or enlarged prostate
Surgeries or injuries that affect the pelvic area or spinal cord

Erectile dysfunction Causes - Diseases and Conditions - Mayo Clinic

God in Heaven, you people are retarded.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ya, brought to you by the good people who invented Restless Leg Syndrome. Male erection is psychological more than physical. Hence arrousal, if absent will be the cause. Wanna avoid erection problems, practice every day.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, and wrong.

Clearly, you should stick to a subject you know, and neither medicine nor sex is among those.

1) Restless leg syndrome is not "invented". It is a condition caused by neurological damage linked to certain medications, such as antidepressants. Unsurprisingly, those medications are all recent additions to our society, and so the side effects caused by them, such as RLS, are recent, as well.

2) Erectile dysfunction is mostly not about "psychological more than physical". It is usually caused by a physical problem that prevents someone who otherwise wishes to have sex from physically being capable of it. What you're describing is called "low libido".

3) Your cheerfully ignorant "there are no physical problems related to sex; you just don't fuck enough! Get over it!" bullshit is grotesque and repugnant. You're probably also the type of person who doesn't believe in mental illness and thinks they just need to get an engrossing hobby.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Ya, brought to you by the good people who invented Restless Leg Syndrome. Male erection is psychological more than physical. Hence arrousal, if absent will be the cause. Wanna avoid erection problems, practice every day.

Except they don't prescribe viagra for ED that's not physical. I am sorry you can't get it up because the highschool couch scared you.

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True. For an inability to get it up that's psychological, they prescribe tequila.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Viagra is a drug that is used to treat pulmonary hypertension and heart disease. Alleviating erectile dysfunction is a side effect. That's why there are so many warnings that come with prescriptions of Viagra when it is used by men that do not have other health risks.

Poor people who cannot control themselves should pay for their own birth control, OR, the state may provide a permanent form of birth control. An implant or surgery.

It is true. The discovery that Viagra could treat ED was an accident. The drug was originally invented to treat other circulatory problems.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Is the original poster so incredibly stupid that he cannot understand the difference between a drug that compensates for a physical infirmity and one that (if successful) prevents a natural and healthy physical phenomenon (ovulation) from occurring in a healthy female?

Say it isn't so!

The discussion is about HEALTH INSURANCE! Health insurance is intended to indemnify the policy holder from the medical costs associated with treating and curing physical problems.

Ovulation is not a physical problem. It is what happens WHEN THINGS WORK PROPERLY! Asking for insurance to cover the cost of preventing one's body from functioning normally is pretty fucking perverse.

Should insurance cover anti-perspirants? Should it cover Bean-o? Should it cover haircuts? All of these are costs that we incur to overcome the normal and natural functioning of our bodies.

Stupid.

Stupid.

Stupid.

As to what health insurance should and shouldn't cover, I think that should be between the insurance companies and their customers, like every other financial transaction. If it makes good business sense to the insurance companies and their customers demand it, then fine. More power to 'em.

Whatever the hyper-sensitive and hyper-judgemental leftists think, simply stating the painfully obvious fact that contraception is about a lifestyle choice and Viagra is about treating a medical condition is not and doesn't have to be any sort of criticism or statement of values. It is not necessary to bend oneself into a pretzel trying to redefine something to make it "okay". And maybe leftists should ask themselves WHY they care so very much about convincing the whole world that their choices are "okay", anyhow.

 

[Cecilie1200]

BC pills can be prescribed for reasons other than birth control, and in those cases they are covered under most insurance policies, as they should be.

When used to prevent conception, however, the woman or the couple (as the case may be) SHOULD PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES!

How do you prove whether the birth control is for actual birth control?

And if women have to pay for their own birth control, men can pay for their erection pills.

It's called a "prior authorization", also known as a "coverage review". I have to explain to people how to get them several times a day. For certain medications, the insurance company will only grant coverage if the doctor explains to them, in detail, the clinical and diagnostic reason necessary for the prescription.

 

[Sunshine]

Viagra Is For A Medical Condition, Birth Control Is A "Lifestyle Choice"

Can this distinction really be made with a straight face? Why?

Viagra is for erectile dysfunction. Many combat veterans suffer this condition. They can get Viagra through the VA, but the VA is stingy with it. The veterans only get enough to have sex with their wives 4 times a month. What a fine thank you for serving their country. Of course the way you hate the people who actually put their lives on the line for the US, you, no doubt, would cut their balls off if you had the chance. It would make them at least somewhat equal with you.

What medical condition is birth control for?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Viagra Is For A Medical Condition, Birth Control Is A "Lifestyle Choice"

Can this distinction really be made with a straight face? Why?

Viagra is for erectile dysfunction. Many combat veterans suffer this condition. They can get Viagra through the VA, but the VA is stingy with it. The veterans only get enough to have sex with their wives 4 times a month. What a fine thank you for serving their country. Of course the way you hate the people who actually put their lives on the line for the US, you, no doubt, would cut their balls off if you had the chance. It would make them at least somewhat equal with you.

What medical condition is birth control for?

Being fertile and horny. Not sure the DSM lists that condition, though.

 

[Sunshine]

Viagra Is For A Medical Condition, Birth Control Is A "Lifestyle Choice"

Can this distinction really be made with a straight face? Why?

Viagra is for erectile dysfunction. Many combat veterans suffer this condition. They can get Viagra through the VA, but the VA is stingy with it. The veterans only get enough to have sex with their wives 4 times a month. What a fine thank you for serving their country. Of course the way you hate the people who actually put their lives on the line for the US, you, no doubt, would cut their balls off if you had the chance. It would make them at least somewhat equal with you. The one child policy has helped facilitate China becoming very wealthy. But groups in this country that want to increase their numbers to increase their power would take the US down before they would abide by such a policy here. The one nitwit on here from Germany withstanding, there are no retarded adults in Germany due to Hitler's policies which did away with 'defective' children. The cost of having rights is eventually losing said rights. The US will eventually have too many unwilling and unable to work and will not be able to feed herself.

What medical condition is birth control for?

Being fertile and horny. Not sure the DSM lists that condition, though.

That is not a medical condition in any book that I know of.

However, I do not agree with birth control not being covered by insurance. I think birth control should be free to every woman of child bearing age, and unless something is done to curb the growth of the welfare class, in 100 years this country will be nothing but another third world hell hole.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Viagra is for erectile dysfunction. Many combat veterans suffer this condition. They can get Viagra through the VA, but the VA is stingy with it. The veterans only get enough to have sex with their wives 4 times a month. What a fine thank you for serving their country. Of course the way you hate the people who actually put their lives on the line for the US, you, no doubt, would cut their balls off if you had the chance. It would make them at least somewhat equal with you. The one child policy has helped facilitate China becoming very wealthy. But groups in this country that want to increase their numbers to increase their power would take the US down before they would abide by such a policy here. The one nitwit on here from Germany withstanding, there are no retarded adults in Germany due to Hitler's policies which did away with 'defective' children. The cost of having rights is eventually losing said rights. The US will eventually have too many unwilling and unable to work and will not be able to feed herself.

What medical condition is birth control for?

Being fertile and horny. Not sure the DSM lists that condition, though.

That is not a medical condition in any book that I know of.

However, I do not agree with birth control not being covered by insurance. I think birth control should be free to every woman of child bearing age, and unless something is done to curb the growth of the welfare class, in 100 years this country will be nothing but another third world hell hole.

1) I was being sarcastic. Duh.

2) Who, in the posts you quoted, suggested that birth control shouldn't be covered by insurance?

3) Since intelligent people know that "free" just means "someone else pays the freight", exactly whom do you think is morally and should be financially responsible for paying for all women to be given birth control at no cost to themselves?

4) Perhaps we could curb the welfare class by educating them, instead of assiduously working to keep them stupid and angry so that they're a useful voting bloc of gullible sheep?

Or we could go with your idea, and just take treating them as useful animals even farther with a breeding program.

 

[Katzndogz]

BC pills can be prescribed for reasons other than birth control, and in those cases they are covered under most insurance policies, as they should be.

When used to prevent conception, however, the woman or the couple (as the case may be) SHOULD PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES!

How do you prove whether the birth control is for actual birth control?

And if women have to pay for their own birth control, men can pay for their erection pills.

You can prove it the same way you prove up any other medical need. There is a diagnosis of a condition. How can they tell whether opiate pain killers is really for pain or just some addict?

If a man has a heart condition and is being treated with Viagra, insurance pays for it. If he has no medical condition, he can pay for it himself.

 

[Cecilie1200]

BC pills can be prescribed for reasons other than birth control, and in those cases they are covered under most insurance policies, as they should be.

When used to prevent conception, however, the woman or the couple (as the case may be) SHOULD PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES!

How do you prove whether the birth control is for actual birth control?

And if women have to pay for their own birth control, men can pay for their erection pills.

You can prove it the same way you prove up any other medical need. There is a diagnosis of a condition. How can they tell whether opiate pain killers is really for pain or just some addict?

If a man has a heart condition and is being treated with Viagra, insurance pays for it. If he has no medical condition, he can pay for it himself.

Again, I think that what's covered by insurance should be decided between the insurance companies and their customers. If it makes good business sense to cover it, then go for it.

 

[Noomi]

Sorry, but making your body function as nature designed it is not a lifestyle choice. Blocking your body from functioning as nature designed it is.

So stopping painful periods is stopping your body from functioning normally?

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

You are speaking to someone who ended up in hospital with severe pain, had surgery to treat endometriosis, suffered with dizzy spells and fainted several times and who was on birth control for 7 fucking years to control it.

Don't you give me your sarcastic shit, bitch. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, so shut your mouth.

Oh, and I have also not have sex. But keep believing I use birth control to prevent pregnancy, won't you.

 

[Papageorgio]

So stopping painful periods is stopping your body from functioning normally?

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

You are speaking to someone who ended up in hospital with severe pain, had surgery to treat endometriosis, suffered with dizzy spells and fainted several times and who was on birth control for 7 fucking years to control it.

Don't you give me your sarcastic shit, bitch. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, so shut your mouth.

Oh, and I have also not have sex. But keep believing I use birth control to prevent pregnancy, won't you.

So, you agree that having birth control pills and Viagra for medical conditions is okay? Would you then agree if it is for recreational use, so to speak, it then the individuals should use their own money to buy it?

 

[thanatos144]

So stopping painful periods is stopping your body from functioning normally?

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

You are speaking to someone who ended up in hospital with severe pain, had surgery to treat endometriosis, suffered with dizzy spells and fainted several times and who was on birth control for 7 fucking years to control it.

Don't you give me your sarcastic shit, bitch. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, so shut your mouth.

Oh, and I have also not have sex. But keep believing I use birth control to prevent pregnancy, won't you.

Glad you don't have sex.... less chance a something bad happening from the results

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[Delta4Embassy]

If against birth control for religious reasons, but don't keep the Sabbath, shut up. You're going to hell too.

 

[Noomi]

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

You are speaking to someone who ended up in hospital with severe pain, had surgery to treat endometriosis, suffered with dizzy spells and fainted several times and who was on birth control for 7 fucking years to control it.

Don't you give me your sarcastic shit, bitch. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, so shut your mouth.

Oh, and I have also not have sex. But keep believing I use birth control to prevent pregnancy, won't you.

So, you agree that having birth control pills and Viagra for medical conditions is okay? Would you then agree if it is for recreational use, so to speak, it then the individuals should use their own money to buy it?

No. If one is free, both should be free. Fair is fair.

 

[Cecilie1200]

So stopping painful periods is stopping your body from functioning normally?

Are you really that stupid?

Oh, spare me. "Birth control is all about treating painful periods!" Yeah, Mensa Girl, that's why they call it "birth control", right?

You are speaking to someone who ended up in hospital with severe pain, had surgery to treat endometriosis, suffered with dizzy spells and fainted several times and who was on birth control for 7 fucking years to control it.

Don't you give me your sarcastic shit, bitch. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about, so shut your mouth.

Oh, and I have also not have sex. But keep believing I use birth control to prevent pregnancy, won't you.

Oh, well, because YOU are the only woman in the world, right? And whatever happened to you is therefore exemplary of circumstances for the entire female gender, because you're all there is to it, yes?

I'll give you any shit I feel like, and you'll either pull on your big-girl panties and learn to deal with it like a woman, or run away sniveling like the leftist vagina on legs that you are. Enjoy your utter and complete helplessness to do anything about it . . . just as you so obviously do in every other aspect of your pathetic victim existence.

I know exactly what I'm talking about: the rest of the world as seen by someone who isn't a failure-ridden narcissist with an IQ of room temperature.

And finally, please disabuse yourself of the notion that I - or anyone - care in the slightest about your - unsurprising - lack of a sex life, aside from a vague notion of relief that you aren't infecting the gene pool with more gormless nits like yourself. As shocking as it might seem to you, YOU are the only one viewing this conversation as being entirely about you.

Although I guess you'd pretty much have to be utterly self-absorbed, to make up for the fact that you're such a completely boring, forgettable, irrelevant non-entity to every other living creature on the planet.