Corporate welfare in action ....

[Brain357]

In most cases that's not true. If anything, smaller businesses are at an advantage because of larger businesses. That and again, a huge business moving in doesn't mean competition in most cases.

You have used Walmart and Amazon as your examples. They both compete with almost everyone. They have both run many businesses out. You seem to not be in the real world.

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

 

[dblack]

True, the federal government should not be seen nor heard…

Not when it comes to our economic decisions. A free market depends on it.

 

[Brain357]

You have used Walmart and Amazon as your examples. They both compete with almost everyone. They have both run many businesses out. You seem to not be in the real world.

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

Oh and on top of that walmart pays so little its employees are collecting welfare:
1. Wal-Mart
The nation’s largest retail outlet is passing its tax bill down to the American public in more ways than one.
A University of California Berkeley report indicates the corporation’s low-wage jobs were costing the state an estimated $86 million in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs. While boasting the necessity for low-wages, the corporation was essentially handing down costs to taxpayers in the form of publicly-funded health insurance and food assistance programs.

A more blatant example of Wal-Mart’s delight in public funds came through a taxpayer-funded control tower at an airport that houses Wal-Mart’s cargo corporate fleet. According to Bloomberg News, a spending bill approved in 2011 halted measures that would have taken away government-funded controllers for Wal-Mart’s jets in Rogers, Arkansas.

Airports the size of Rogers Municipal Airport in Arkansas typically aren’t required to have their own control towers. But because the airport hosts Wal-Mart’s fleet, ushering in plenty of traffic, it is required to purchase the traffic controller, and pay costs associated with the airport that essentially serves as Wal-Mart’s own public (but really private) airport. The airport is slated to spend $81,000 this year for the tower.

Oh the benefits of corporate welfare.

4 Examples Of Corporate Welfare In Action | Taxpayers for Common Sense

 

[Brain357]

Wait a minute....... if a city or state offers tax abatements to a certain company to bring business and hundreds or thousands of jobs there, and it doesn't effect the tax rate other businesses are paying, then what's the harm to those other businesses?

They are at a competitive disadvantage because their overhead is higher, because they are paying higher taxes. Are you just fucking around, or do you really not get that?

Okay, and what if the new business is different from theirs and there is no competition? Is it still bad?

I sell hats for a living. A new business that doesn't deal in hats moves in. They keep my taxes stagnant and draw in more customers who may stop at my store which increases the revenue for my business. Who is harmed by this?

What does the new business do? Anyone who competes with them, or would like to, will be at a disadvantage. But the deeper harm comes in the way these policies promote bad economic decisions.

What bad economic decisions?

All of them. In every case its been your premise that the companies in question would choose to go somewhere else without the incentives. Apple has no good reason to build a data center in Iowa. They're doing it for entirely artificial reasons - the tax incentives whipped up by the state. When companies make decisions based on government policies, rather than a sober analysis of the market, everyone loses. When they make bad decisions simply because of discounts and perks offered by government - they're still bad decisions, and they still impact the economy as a whole negatively.

As I stated, everybody wins. The new business moving in wins, the city wins, the state wins, existing businesses win.

If th

Amazon is building a new distribution center here. Who is competing against that distribution center? The suburb of North Randall has been suffering since the decay and eventual closing of the Randall Park Mall. It's vacant land that not only doesn't create taxation or jobs, but an eyesore to boot. Plus there is a lot of land there and Amazon is not using all of it, so it may attract other businesses to the area.

Like I said, a win-win.

In most cases that's not true. If anything, smaller businesses are at an advantage because of larger businesses. That and again, a huge business moving in doesn't mean competition in most cases.

You have used Walmart and Amazon as your examples. They both compete with almost everyone. They have both run many businesses out. You seem to not be in the real world.

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

That's why it is a failure,socialism always fails because it runs out of other peoples money…

In this case the state is using other companies money to pay for corporate welfare for other companies.

That's why individualism needs to be promoted, the village/collective has never worked for the good of anybody

The government picking winners and losers sure does not work. It is against capitalism and the free market. I challenge Ray to show me what makes a stronger economy than free market capitalism.

True, the federal government should not be seen nor heard…

Not when it comes to our economic decisions. A free market depends on it.[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You have used Walmart and Amazon as your examples. They both compete with almost everyone. They have both run many businesses out. You seem to not be in the real world.

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

/----/ I don't know, maybe it was a story in the local newspaper.
Walmart to close two stores in advance of Arvada Plaza supercenter ...
www.denverpost.com/2017/06/06/walmart-arvada-plaza-supercenter/

Jun 6, 2017 - Walmart will shutter two stores in Arvada and Wheat Ridge next month before the openingof its new Arvada Plaza supercenter in August.
List of the 154 U.S. stores Walmart is closing - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/.../01/...walmart-stores-closing/78852898/
Jan 15, 2016 - Closings include 102 Walmart Express, 12 Supercenters, ... Walmart to close 269 stores,shut down 'Express' format. Here is .... Supercenter

 

[Brain357]

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

/----/ I don't know, maybe it was a story in the local newspaper.
Walmart to close two stores in advance of Arvada Plaza supercenter ...
www.denverpost.com/2017/06/06/walmart-arvada-plaza-supercenter/

Jun 6, 2017 - Walmart will shutter two stores in Arvada and Wheat Ridge next month before the openingof its new Arvada Plaza supercenter in August.
List of the 154 U.S. stores Walmart is closing - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/.../01/...walmart-stores-closing/78852898/
Jan 15, 2016 - Closings include 102 Walmart Express, 12 Supercenters, ... Walmart to close 269 stores,shut down 'Express' format. Here is .... Supercenter

Then he should link it. You just buy into silly made up stories with no backing do you?

 

[dblack]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

/---/ if a car dealership offers a big discount on a new car to "qualified" buyers, is that not equal protection?

Equal protection doesn't apply to non-governmental entities (like a car dealership). It's the concept that the law is applied to everyone equally.

 

[Brain357]

Why should families pay welfare to billion dollar companies making huge profits?

If you add these altogether, you see that federal, state and local governments force American families to give, on average, $2436 per year to companies that certainly don’t need the handouts (or shouldn’t be in business if they do). That $2436 could go a long, long way for most families, whether it was spent on food and clothing, vacation, a college fund, or whatever mom, dad and the kids most need. Indeed, considering that the average American family spends around $6500 per year on food, eliminating these corporate subsidies and returning the savings to taxpayers could pay for about 4.5 months-worth of groceries.
Calculating the Real Cost of Corporate Welfare

 

[Aldo Raine]

In most cases that's not true. If anything, smaller businesses are at an advantage because of larger businesses. That and again, a huge business moving in doesn't mean competition in most cases.

That is probably one of the dumbest post I have read in a very long time.

Nah just wait for his next one!

 

[Cellblock2429]

Amazon will compete for business whether they have a distribution center here or in Arizona. It doesn't matter because they are not brick and mortar, so they could move in next door to mom and pop and have no effect on them whatsoever.

Our neighboring suburb built a brand new mall a few years ago. It was designed around Walmart because Walmart was the anchor store. The mall was doing great and a great place to shop until Walmart found a way out of their contract. They wanted to build a Super Walmart nearby but couldn't because of the store in the new mall.

After Walmart closed down, all those other stores in the mall began to close down as well. They all had contracts, but the contracts were null and void if the anchor store disappeared. Now that new mall is a wall of empty stores and empty parking lots because of Walmart's departure. There is only one store left and that is a grocery store which is still doing quite well.

Point is that while Walmart may close some other stores down, they open up twice as many in most cases. Walmart brings in customers to other stores as well as theirs.

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

Oh and on top of that walmart pays so little its employees are collecting welfare:
1. Wal-Mart
The nation’s largest retail outlet is passing its tax bill down to the American public in more ways than one.
A University of California Berkeley report indicates the corporation’s low-wage jobs were costing the state an estimated $86 million in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs. While boasting the necessity for low-wages, the corporation was essentially handing down costs to taxpayers in the form of publicly-funded health insurance and food assistance programs.

A more blatant example of Wal-Mart’s delight in public funds came through a taxpayer-funded control tower at an airport that houses Wal-Mart’s cargo corporate fleet. According to Bloomberg News, a spending bill approved in 2011 halted measures that would have taken away government-funded controllers for Wal-Mart’s jets in Rogers, Arkansas.

Airports the size of Rogers Municipal Airport in Arkansas typically aren’t required to have their own control towers. But because the airport hosts Wal-Mart’s fleet, ushering in plenty of traffic, it is required to purchase the traffic controller, and pay costs associated with the airport that essentially serves as Wal-Mart’s own public (but really private) airport. The airport is slated to spend $81,000 this year for the tower.

Oh the benefits of corporate welfare.

4 Examples Of Corporate Welfare In Action | Taxpayers for Common Sense

/----/ My first job was minimum wage but I was living at home and I saved every dime to but my first car (a used Karmann Ghia) When I moved out on my own, I needed more money to live on so I found a bartender job where I earned Tips. I made about three times minimum wage. I was attending college part time (paying my own way) and found a job based on my new skills I acquired in college. But I kept my bartender job as well. As my skills improved, I was able to find higher paying jobs and eventually gave up the bartender work. BTW - there were no decent jobs where I grew up so I moved to where the jobs were.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

/---/ if a car dealership offers a big discount on a new car to "qualified" buyers, is that not equal protection?

Equal protection doesn't apply to non-governmental entities (like a car dealership). It's the concept that the law is applied to everyone equally.

/----/ SO how do you explain away the Fair Housing laws?

 

[dblack]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

mmmkay

/----/ if the government writes a check to a company in exchange for moving to an area then that is corporate welfare. But if the government simply reduces the tax bill for a set time in exchange for the move it is not welfare.

Ok. As I said, not interested in debating your terminology preference. Whatever you call it, is it a good thing for the country? I happen to think these kinds of decisions are best made via a free market. Government invariably introduces inefficiency and distorts market incentives. Socialists, of course, will disagree with me and would like to see all major economic decisions made by government.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

/----/ I don't know, maybe it was a story in the local newspaper.
Walmart to close two stores in advance of Arvada Plaza supercenter ...
www.denverpost.com/2017/06/06/walmart-arvada-plaza-supercenter/

Jun 6, 2017 - Walmart will shutter two stores in Arvada and Wheat Ridge next month before the openingof its new Arvada Plaza supercenter in August.
List of the 154 U.S. stores Walmart is closing - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/.../01/...walmart-stores-closing/78852898/
Jan 15, 2016 - Closings include 102 Walmart Express, 12 Supercenters, ... Walmart to close 269 stores,shut down 'Express' format. Here is .... Supercenter

Then he should link it. You just buy into silly made up stories with no backing do you?

?----/ You mean silly made up stories like RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and Global Warming ? Nah I don't. Do you?

 

[Brain357]

You keep making wild claims right and left. Can you use some actual statistics?

So your mall was doing so great that Walmart moved out? Yeah sounds like a great situation. Obviously things weren't that great.

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

Oh and on top of that walmart pays so little its employees are collecting welfare:
1. Wal-Mart
The nation’s largest retail outlet is passing its tax bill down to the American public in more ways than one.
A University of California Berkeley report indicates the corporation’s low-wage jobs were costing the state an estimated $86 million in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs. While boasting the necessity for low-wages, the corporation was essentially handing down costs to taxpayers in the form of publicly-funded health insurance and food assistance programs.

A more blatant example of Wal-Mart’s delight in public funds came through a taxpayer-funded control tower at an airport that houses Wal-Mart’s cargo corporate fleet. According to Bloomberg News, a spending bill approved in 2011 halted measures that would have taken away government-funded controllers for Wal-Mart’s jets in Rogers, Arkansas.

Airports the size of Rogers Municipal Airport in Arkansas typically aren’t required to have their own control towers. But because the airport hosts Wal-Mart’s fleet, ushering in plenty of traffic, it is required to purchase the traffic controller, and pay costs associated with the airport that essentially serves as Wal-Mart’s own public (but really private) airport. The airport is slated to spend $81,000 this year for the tower.

Oh the benefits of corporate welfare.

4 Examples Of Corporate Welfare In Action | Taxpayers for Common Sense

/----/ My first job was minimum wage but I was living at home and I saved every dime to but my first car (a used Karmann Ghia) When I moved out on my own, I needed more money to live on so I found a bartender job where I earned Tips. I made about three times minimum wage. I was attending college part time (paying my own way) and found a job based on my new skills I acquired in college. But I kept my bartender job as well. As my skills improved, I was able to find higher paying jobs and eventually gave up the bartender work. BTW - there were no decent jobs where I grew up so I moved to where the jobs were.

That's great.

So why should Walmart a company making billions receive corporate welfare to create poorly paying jobs that require workers to collect more welfare?

 

[dblack]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

mmmkay

/----/ if the government writes a check to a company in exchange for moving to an area then that is corporate welfare. But if the government simply reduces the tax bill for a set time in exchange for the move it is not welfare.

micromanaging our tax codes for Individuals, is worse and could be considered, legally unethical, from a laissez-fair perspective. Only the right wing, never gets it.

Most of the right wing doesn't get free markets, or freedom.

 

[Brain357]

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

/----/ I don't know, maybe it was a story in the local newspaper.
Walmart to close two stores in advance of Arvada Plaza supercenter ...
www.denverpost.com/2017/06/06/walmart-arvada-plaza-supercenter/

Jun 6, 2017 - Walmart will shutter two stores in Arvada and Wheat Ridge next month before the openingof its new Arvada Plaza supercenter in August.
List of the 154 U.S. stores Walmart is closing - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/.../01/...walmart-stores-closing/78852898/
Jan 15, 2016 - Closings include 102 Walmart Express, 12 Supercenters, ... Walmart to close 269 stores,shut down 'Express' format. Here is .... Supercenter

Then he should link it. You just buy into silly made up stories with no backing do you?

?----/ You mean silly made up stories like RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and Global Warming ? Nah I don't. Do you?

I mean silly stories made up by Ray with no links or reason to believe they are true.

 

[dblack]

Apple to build Iowa data center, get $207.8 million in incentives

We've got to get a handle on this shit. Whatever happened to equal protection?

/---/ if a car dealership offers a big discount on a new car to "qualified" buyers, is that not equal protection?

Equal protection doesn't apply to non-governmental entities (like a car dealership). It's the concept that the law is applied to everyone equally.

/----/ SO how do you explain away the Fair Housing laws?

I don't.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It was great, but Walmart wanted to open up a Super Walmart which they did after they closed the new store in the mall. It was located less than ten miles from their former store and opened up in less than a year after they closed the mall store.

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

Oh and on top of that walmart pays so little its employees are collecting welfare:
1. Wal-Mart
The nation’s largest retail outlet is passing its tax bill down to the American public in more ways than one.
A University of California Berkeley report indicates the corporation’s low-wage jobs were costing the state an estimated $86 million in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs. While boasting the necessity for low-wages, the corporation was essentially handing down costs to taxpayers in the form of publicly-funded health insurance and food assistance programs.

A more blatant example of Wal-Mart’s delight in public funds came through a taxpayer-funded control tower at an airport that houses Wal-Mart’s cargo corporate fleet. According to Bloomberg News, a spending bill approved in 2011 halted measures that would have taken away government-funded controllers for Wal-Mart’s jets in Rogers, Arkansas.

Airports the size of Rogers Municipal Airport in Arkansas typically aren’t required to have their own control towers. But because the airport hosts Wal-Mart’s fleet, ushering in plenty of traffic, it is required to purchase the traffic controller, and pay costs associated with the airport that essentially serves as Wal-Mart’s own public (but really private) airport. The airport is slated to spend $81,000 this year for the tower.

Oh the benefits of corporate welfare.

4 Examples Of Corporate Welfare In Action | Taxpayers for Common Sense

/----/ My first job was minimum wage but I was living at home and I saved every dime to but my first car (a used Karmann Ghia) When I moved out on my own, I needed more money to live on so I found a bartender job where I earned Tips. I made about three times minimum wage. I was attending college part time (paying my own way) and found a job based on my new skills I acquired in college. But I kept my bartender job as well. As my skills improved, I was able to find higher paying jobs and eventually gave up the bartender work. BTW - there were no decent jobs where I grew up so I moved to where the jobs were.

That's great.

So why should Walmart a company making millions receive corporate welfare to create poorly paying jobs that require workers to collect more welfare?

/----/ That is their business model - although somewhat perverted so you can make political points. Walmart does more to help the poor than all Gubmint programs combined. That's why Libs hate them so much.
Why do progressives hate Walmart for low prices and its 3% profit margin but love high-priced Apple and its 24% profit margin? - AEI

 

[Cellblock2429]

There's no such thing as corporate welfare.

mmmkay

/----/ if the government writes a check to a company in exchange for moving to an area then that is corporate welfare. But if the government simply reduces the tax bill for a set time in exchange for the move it is not welfare.

micromanaging our tax codes for Individuals, is worse and could be considered, legally unethical, from a laissez-fair perspective. Only the right wing, never gets it.

Most of the right wing doesn't get free markets, or freedom.

/----/ Now that's dumb even by your low standards.

 

[Brain357]

/----/ You made it clear that WalMart wanted a larger store but it went over Brains head. (no pun intended)

And what proof is there of any of that? How do we know any of that even happened? How does Ray know why Walmart does anything? Is he an exec at Walmart? He's just telling silly stories which may or may not be true. Here is a story. Walmart gets lots of corporate welfare to move into a mall. The city spends a lot to create this mall and gives up lots of tax dollars in corp welfare. Walmart then moves ten miles away closing the store in the mall and killing the cities mall investment.

Oh and on top of that walmart pays so little its employees are collecting welfare:
1. Wal-Mart
The nation’s largest retail outlet is passing its tax bill down to the American public in more ways than one.
A University of California Berkeley report indicates the corporation’s low-wage jobs were costing the state an estimated $86 million in taxpayer-funded public assistance programs. While boasting the necessity for low-wages, the corporation was essentially handing down costs to taxpayers in the form of publicly-funded health insurance and food assistance programs.

A more blatant example of Wal-Mart’s delight in public funds came through a taxpayer-funded control tower at an airport that houses Wal-Mart’s cargo corporate fleet. According to Bloomberg News, a spending bill approved in 2011 halted measures that would have taken away government-funded controllers for Wal-Mart’s jets in Rogers, Arkansas.

Airports the size of Rogers Municipal Airport in Arkansas typically aren’t required to have their own control towers. But because the airport hosts Wal-Mart’s fleet, ushering in plenty of traffic, it is required to purchase the traffic controller, and pay costs associated with the airport that essentially serves as Wal-Mart’s own public (but really private) airport. The airport is slated to spend $81,000 this year for the tower.

Oh the benefits of corporate welfare.

4 Examples Of Corporate Welfare In Action | Taxpayers for Common Sense

/----/ My first job was minimum wage but I was living at home and I saved every dime to but my first car (a used Karmann Ghia) When I moved out on my own, I needed more money to live on so I found a bartender job where I earned Tips. I made about three times minimum wage. I was attending college part time (paying my own way) and found a job based on my new skills I acquired in college. But I kept my bartender job as well. As my skills improved, I was able to find higher paying jobs and eventually gave up the bartender work. BTW - there were no decent jobs where I grew up so I moved to where the jobs were.

That's great.

So why should Walmart a company making millions receive corporate welfare to create poorly paying jobs that require workers to collect more welfare?

/----/ That is their business model - although somewhat perverted so you can make political points. Walmart does more to help the poor than all Gubmint programs combined. That's why Libs hate them so much.
Why do progressives hate Walmart for low prices and its 3% profit margin but love high-priced Apple and its 24% profit margin? - AEI

Their business model is to collect lots of corporate welfare? They would do fine without all these sweet deals from the government.