Corporations ≠ people

[Where_r_my_Keys]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

Wonderful Ideas.

PEOPLE! Your Attention Please....


Those in favor of Giving New York City ONE VOTE... please raise your hands?

Upon a Majority vote, New York State instantly becomes American, again.

 

[occupied]

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

I never said the big monopolistic corporations are evil, they are more amoral. They have very narrow interests and are not the least bit ashamed to pursue them at the cost of society as a whole. Meanwhile the conservatives seem to hate anyone who tries to protect the greater good from these narrow interests. As an example I present the global banking industry, I do not think anyone can realistically deny that they have done some pretty damaging things to the economy and yet we have failed in our attempts to place some boundaries on their riskier actions, the champions of these actions are universally reviled by conservatives. Big corporations may not be evil but with conservatives providing cover they certainly have no incentive to be good.

And of course the only way business becomes a problem is when government has so much control over everything that a few powerful businesses can buy the right government politicians and get the centralized power of the government to do their bidding...

see...this is why you lefties need to understand history...especially the 20th century....you lefties want a big central government...with vast powers, under the control of enlightened lefties, because you think you can then fast track "Doing Good". What you fail to realize...over and over again....is that by concentrating that power...you make it far easier for bad guys to do great evil....again, see the 20th century.....and that evil is always greater than any good you can do before the bad,guys get control...since government is inefficient at doing good, but really good at doing evil.....

Government needs to be small, and constrained by a separation of powers and checks and balances....it prevents it from doing great evil when bad guys get in charge?..the very types of bad guys you bitch and moan about.....

But by undermining the checks on government power...you are,creating the very thing you hate.......and you keep doing it over and over....

If government is so small it has no power to punish the wrongdoings of big business then we become a plutocracy. This is where we stand right now when even blatant wrongdoing is punished, after an expensive and protracted court battle, by a fine that does not even equal the amount of profit made from the wrongdoing. Big business is already enjoying the freedom of small government and it is doing the country no good.

What small government are you talking about.......bad people exploit the power in the government.....because the government can so many agencies doing so many things but the power to control those agencies is in the hands of a few powerful people......if you keep them from having so much concentrated power, you keep bad people from getting control.........that was the whole point to the three branches of government and checks and balances....

You guys are Boromir all over again....

Quit with the wishful thinking conservative dogma, your kind of thought has went into the whole of government policy towards business and it has brought us to the brink of ruin and will again because no one really got punished, the structure never got changed, and now the worst culprits think they can do anything and get off scot-free with the taxpayers covering their losses. If someone robs a few thousand from a bank at gunpoint you want to lock them up forever but when someone uses their position at a bank to steal millions or billions from the economy you want to close ranks and protect them.

 

[SwimExpert]

No moron.....people can join or leave businesses at will....collectivists a create a huge government that does not allow you to choose against government control.....that is the difference....

Uh, no.

 

[2aguy]

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

I never said the big monopolistic corporations are evil, they are more amoral. They have very narrow interests and are not the least bit ashamed to pursue them at the cost of society as a whole. Meanwhile the conservatives seem to hate anyone who tries to protect the greater good from these narrow interests. As an example I present the global banking industry, I do not think anyone can realistically deny that they have done some pretty damaging things to the economy and yet we have failed in our attempts to place some boundaries on their riskier actions, the champions of these actions are universally reviled by conservatives. Big corporations may not be evil but with conservatives providing cover they certainly have no incentive to be good.

And of course the only way business becomes a problem is when government has so much control over everything that a few powerful businesses can buy the right government politicians and get the centralized power of the government to do their bidding...

see...this is why you lefties need to understand history...especially the 20th century....you lefties want a big central government...with vast powers, under the control of enlightened lefties, because you think you can then fast track "Doing Good". What you fail to realize...over and over again....is that by concentrating that power...you make it far easier for bad guys to do great evil....again, see the 20th century.....and that evil is always greater than any good you can do before the bad,guys get control...since government is inefficient at doing good, but really good at doing evil.....

Government needs to be small, and constrained by a separation of powers and checks and balances....it prevents it from doing great evil when bad guys get in charge?..the very types of bad guys you bitch and moan about.....

But by undermining the checks on government power...you are,creating the very thing you hate.......and you keep doing it over and over....

If government is so small it has no power to punish the wrongdoings of big business then we become a plutocracy. This is where we stand right now when even blatant wrongdoing is punished, after an expensive and protracted court battle, by a fine that does not even equal the amount of profit made from the wrongdoing. Big business is already enjoying the freedom of small government and it is doing the country no good.

What small government are you talking about.......bad people exploit the power in the government.....because the government can so many agencies doing so many things but the power to control those agencies is in the hands of a few powerful people......if you keep them from having so much concentrated power, you keep bad people from getting control.........that was the whole point to the three branches of government and checks and balances....

You guys are Boromir all over again....

Quit with the wishful thinking conservative dogma, your kind of thought has went into the whole of government policy towards business and it has brought us to the brink of ruin and will again because no one really got punished, the structure never got changed, and now the worst culprits think they can do anything and get off scot-free with the taxpayers covering their losses. If someone robs a few thousand from a bank at gunpoint you want to lock them up forever but when someone uses their position at a bank to steal millions or billions from the economy you want to close ranks and protect them.

Sorry.....that would be the democrats...as an American Conservative who votes republican....I want any and all criminals captured and locked up........the best way to do that is to take power away from politicians so they can't protect the criminals who give them money....you want to empower these criminals by giving more and more power to corrupt and greedy policticians who will use their office to enrich themselves and their friends and protect the bad guys.........you are the problem...not me....

 

[2aguy]

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

I never said the big monopolistic corporations are evil, they are more amoral. They have very narrow interests and are not the least bit ashamed to pursue them at the cost of society as a whole. Meanwhile the conservatives seem to hate anyone who tries to protect the greater good from these narrow interests. As an example I present the global banking industry, I do not think anyone can realistically deny that they have done some pretty damaging things to the economy and yet we have failed in our attempts to place some boundaries on their riskier actions, the champions of these actions are universally reviled by conservatives. Big corporations may not be evil but with conservatives providing cover they certainly have no incentive to be good.

And of course the only way business becomes a problem is when government has so much control over everything that a few powerful businesses can buy the right government politicians and get the centralized power of the government to do their bidding...

see...this is why you lefties need to understand history...especially the 20th century....you lefties want a big central government...with vast powers, under the control of enlightened lefties, because you think you can then fast track "Doing Good". What you fail to realize...over and over again....is that by concentrating that power...you make it far easier for bad guys to do great evil....again, see the 20th century.....and that evil is always greater than any good you can do before the bad,guys get control...since government is inefficient at doing good, but really good at doing evil.....

Government needs to be small, and constrained by a separation of powers and checks and balances....it prevents it from doing great evil when bad guys get in charge?..the very types of bad guys you bitch and moan about.....

But by undermining the checks on government power...you are,creating the very thing you hate.......and you keep doing it over and over....

If government is so small it has no power to punish the wrongdoings of big business then we become a plutocracy. This is where we stand right now when even blatant wrongdoing is punished, after an expensive and protracted court battle, by a fine that does not even equal the amount of profit made from the wrongdoing. Big business is already enjoying the freedom of small government and it is doing the country no good.

What small government are you talking about.......bad people exploit the power in the government.....because the government can so many agencies doing so many things but the power to control those agencies is in the hands of a few powerful people......if you keep them from having so much concentrated power, you keep bad people from getting control.........that was the whole point to the three branches of government and checks and balances....

You guys are Boromir all over again....

Quit with the wishful thinking conservative dogma, your kind of thought has went into the whole of government policy towards business and it has brought us to the brink of ruin and will again because no one really got punished, the structure never got changed, and now the worst culprits think they can do anything and get off scot-free with the taxpayers covering their losses. If someone robs a few thousand from a bank at gunpoint you want to lock them up forever but when someone uses their position at a bank to steal millions or billions from the economy you want to close ranks and protect them.

Look...you assholes are going to vote for a known criminal, hilary .....who has repeatedly sold her offices to the highest bidder....you know she has taken bribes from both domestic and foreign businesses, and some really vile ones......and you are going to vote for her.......it's on you assholes.....

 

[Edgetho]

the dimocrap party is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party

Been that way since its scumbag progenitor, the criminal, racist piece of filth Andrew Jackson created it.

Any time there is corruption in politics, like in New Yawk Shitty, Bawstawn, LA, Chicago, Dee-Troit, Cleveland, Philthydelphia or anywhere else, you can bet your ass that the dimocrap scum party is knee-deep in it.

In fact, did you people know that Nazi Pelousy's daddy was OWNED by the Ballmer Mafia?

And that Mosby's daddy was a Crooked Cop?

the dimocrap scum party is a criminal organization.

Just that fucking simple. Unions, The Mob, the DISGUSTING FILTH in the LSM, dimocrap scum, Pop Culture, Hollywood, Academia.............

The coalition from Hell

 

[occupied]

I never said the big monopolistic corporations are evil, they are more amoral. They have very narrow interests and are not the least bit ashamed to pursue them at the cost of society as a whole. Meanwhile the conservatives seem to hate anyone who tries to protect the greater good from these narrow interests. As an example I present the global banking industry, I do not think anyone can realistically deny that they have done some pretty damaging things to the economy and yet we have failed in our attempts to place some boundaries on their riskier actions, the champions of these actions are universally reviled by conservatives. Big corporations may not be evil but with conservatives providing cover they certainly have no incentive to be good.

And of course the only way business becomes a problem is when government has so much control over everything that a few powerful businesses can buy the right government politicians and get the centralized power of the government to do their bidding...

see...this is why you lefties need to understand history...especially the 20th century....you lefties want a big central government...with vast powers, under the control of enlightened lefties, because you think you can then fast track "Doing Good". What you fail to realize...over and over again....is that by concentrating that power...you make it far easier for bad guys to do great evil....again, see the 20th century.....and that evil is always greater than any good you can do before the bad,guys get control...since government is inefficient at doing good, but really good at doing evil.....

Government needs to be small, and constrained by a separation of powers and checks and balances....it prevents it from doing great evil when bad guys get in charge?..the very types of bad guys you bitch and moan about.....

But by undermining the checks on government power...you are,creating the very thing you hate.......and you keep doing it over and over....

If government is so small it has no power to punish the wrongdoings of big business then we become a plutocracy. This is where we stand right now when even blatant wrongdoing is punished, after an expensive and protracted court battle, by a fine that does not even equal the amount of profit made from the wrongdoing. Big business is already enjoying the freedom of small government and it is doing the country no good.

What small government are you talking about.......bad people exploit the power in the government.....because the government can so many agencies doing so many things but the power to control those agencies is in the hands of a few powerful people......if you keep them from having so much concentrated power, you keep bad people from getting control.........that was the whole point to the three branches of government and checks and balances....

You guys are Boromir all over again....

Quit with the wishful thinking conservative dogma, your kind of thought has went into the whole of government policy towards business and it has brought us to the brink of ruin and will again because no one really got punished, the structure never got changed, and now the worst culprits think they can do anything and get off scot-free with the taxpayers covering their losses. If someone robs a few thousand from a bank at gunpoint you want to lock them up forever but when someone uses their position at a bank to steal millions or billions from the economy you want to close ranks and protect them.

Look...you assholes are going to vote for a known criminal, hilary .....who has repeatedly sold her offices to the highest bidder....you know she has taken bribes from both domestic and foreign businesses, and some really vile ones......and you are going to vote for her.......it's on you assholes.....

I'm not going to vote for her. It makes you look like a flaming hypocrite to condemn her for things you want and expect from the "business friendly" assholes you have been voting for. If I wanted to vote for a corrupt politician who is that deeply in bed with big business I would be a republican.

 

[dcraelin]

The issue of corporate person-hood is not in the necessary limited liability of a corporation, it is in their ability to readily exercise control over government policy and buy elections far in excess of any actual person all because they have been granted special 1st amendment rights that exceed our own.

I have a corporation BUT my corporation certainly doesn't "exercise control over government policy".... other wise we'd never have an environment where the president is destroying businesses and in turn destroying jobs.

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

 

[sealybobo]

I have a corporation BUT my corporation certainly doesn't "exercise control over government policy".... other wise we'd never have an environment where the president is destroying businesses and in turn destroying jobs.

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

actually that is not true. as proven in Australia if everybody shows up to vote the politicians start to cater to the moderates and that the fringe left and right. and inform involve electorate is it good thing. people thinking it doesn't matter and not showing up to vote is what changes everything for the worse

 

[sealybobo]

to not vote means you don't care and you don't matter

 

[dcraelin]

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

actually that is not true. as proven in Australia if everybody shows up to vote the politicians start to cater to the moderates and that the fringe left and right. and inform involve electorate is it good thing. people thinking it doesn't matter and not showing up to vote is what changes everything for the worse

moderates are not necessarily always good.

Dont get me wrong more participation would be a good thing....just I dont think it would help as much as is needed

see my post on an outline of a new Constitution for some ideas on change I think is needed

 

[sealybobo]

I have a corporation BUT my corporation certainly doesn't "exercise control over government policy".... other wise we'd never have an environment where the president is destroying businesses and in turn destroying jobs.

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

and if everybody voted and the Democratic incumbent was a sellout then someone good would run against them in the next election and replace them. the politicians will actually work for we the people and not the corporation's we know now they work 99 percent of the time for their Rich donors

 

[sealybobo]

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

actually that is not true. as proven in Australia if everybody shows up to vote the politicians start to cater to the moderates and that the fringe left and right. and inform involve electorate is it good thing. people thinking it doesn't matter and not showing up to vote is what changes everything for the worse

moderates are not necessarily always good.

Dont get me wrong more participation would be a good thing....just I dont think it would help as much as is needed

maybe campaign finance reform would be good too?

 

[dcraelin]

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

if more people showed up to vote then the politicians might cater to the lobbyist but then they will be voted out in 4 years. instead not enough people vote for the politicians are smart to cater to where the money is especially when they're not going to be punished for it

people can show up all they want, the two party system usually gives them 2 corporate whores to choose from.....so thats another thing we need to change somehow...the two-party system

actually that is not true. as proven in Australia if everybody shows up to vote the politicians start to cater to the moderates and that the fringe left and right. and inform involve electorate is it good thing. people thinking it doesn't matter and not showing up to vote is what changes everything for the worse

moderates are not necessarily always good.

Dont get me wrong more participation would be a good thing....just I dont think it would help as much as is needed

maybe campaign finance reform would be good too?

yes it would, but I think some Republicans actually do have somewhat of a point when they say that that can work in favor of incumbents...any reform I think should allow more money to go to challengers.

 

[percysunshine]

We condemn discrimination against people because it offends human dignity. By contrast, concern for human dignity does not require us to treat all businesses alike: to the contrary, hard experience teaches us that some businesses - drugs, banks, securities, common carriers - require more regulation than others. The tax code "discriminates" between for-profit and charitable organizations without offending anyone's dignity.

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

It isn't really that complicated. A corporation is private property owned by the shareholders. The shareholders are real people, like retired California school teachers and such.

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should this private property have a say in our politics? The shareholders all get to vote in the election correct?

Sure, the shareholders are a group of people with a common interest. Same as unions are a group of people with a common interest. As long as everything is voluntary and not coercive.

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you are so naive. my brother is a vice president and the way he tells it shareholders are CEOs of other companies so they compensate the CEO of your company the same way they want to be compensated. and of course when you get to say what you're worth the sky's the limit. it is ridiculous what they pay themselves

Do you own a mutual fund? A 401K or IRA or anything like that?

.

 

[there4eyeM]

The Persons Republic of America, where persons have the best government money can buy.

 

[sealybobo]

Why Personhood Matters

People and corporations should not be equal, even in the US, the country dominated by corporations.
1) Corporations are made up of people. As a result, legal entities embrace their values and their worldview. Without people there are no corporations.
2) Why don't we treat cities and even countries like human beings? The same applies to local communities. A group of people is not a separate person with his feelings, emotions and thoughts.

Can someone explain what is wrong with my logic?

It isn't really that complicated. A corporation is private property owned by the shareholders. The shareholders are real people, like retired California school teachers and such.

.

should this private property have a say in our politics? The shareholders all get to vote in the election correct?

Sure, the shareholders are a group of people with a common interest. Same as unions are a group of people with a common interest. As long as everything is voluntary and not coercive.

.

you are so naive. my brother is a vice president and the way he tells it shareholders are CEOs of other companies so they compensate the CEO of your company the same way they want to be compensated. and of course when you get to say what you're worth the sky's the limit. it is ridiculous what they pay themselves

Do you own a mutual fund? A 401K or IRA or anything like that?

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all of the above

 

[percysunshine]

It isn't really that complicated. A corporation is private property owned by the shareholders. The shareholders are real people, like retired California school teachers and such.

.

should this private property have a say in our politics? The shareholders all get to vote in the election correct?

Sure, the shareholders are a group of people with a common interest. Same as unions are a group of people with a common interest. As long as everything is voluntary and not coercive.

.

you are so naive. my brother is a vice president and the way he tells it shareholders are CEOs of other companies so they compensate the CEO of your company the same way they want to be compensated. and of course when you get to say what you're worth the sky's the limit. it is ridiculous what they pay themselves

Do you own a mutual fund? A 401K or IRA or anything like that?

.

all of the above

So that would make you a CEO of a company?

My sisters do not believe everything I tell them either.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit. If Walmart was not considered a legal person, its employees could be held liable for acts of the corporation, they could be sued individually if someone was injured in a store.

this is not anywhere near what you libtards are trying to make it.

The issue of corporate person-hood is not in the necessary limited liability of a corporation, it is in their ability to readily exercise control over government policy and buy elections far in excess of any actual person all because they have been granted special 1st amendment rights that exceed our own.

I have a corporation BUT my corporation certainly doesn't "exercise control over government policy".... other wise we'd never have an environment where the president is destroying businesses and in turn destroying jobs.

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

corporate lobby is the problem. we have lobbyists for a reason. some are good some are bad. the corporate lobbyists have an evil agenda that is good for them not good for employees or workers for the middle class

I agree but its not that simple. What if a lobbyist manages to get a contract for a local company that requires that they hire 2000 new employees? Does that help the local economy? put people to work? reduce unemployment? Its a double edges sword, whats good for your town may be bad for my town and vice versa.

None of this is as black and white as we would like it to be.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit. If Walmart was not considered a legal person, its employees could be held liable for acts of the corporation, they could be sued individually if someone was injured in a store.

this is not anywhere near what you libtards are trying to make it.

The issue of corporate person-hood is not in the necessary limited liability of a corporation, it is in their ability to readily exercise control over government policy and buy elections far in excess of any actual person all because they have been granted special 1st amendment rights that exceed our own.

I have a corporation BUT my corporation certainly doesn't "exercise control over government policy".... other wise we'd never have an environment where the president is destroying businesses and in turn destroying jobs.

Yeah, I have one too, lots of people do, if you had any sense you would know I am talking about the big multinational corporations that squash people like us without even giving a shit and can spend millions to lobby congress, Exxon, Citibank, Koch industries etc. I hope that clears up any confusion.

Soros? NY times, ABC? How about the unions?

Corporations are not inherently evil. Corporations provide employment and benefits to millions of americans.

Lobbying is the problem, not corporations.

the excessive pay of a lot of CEOs against the wishes of shareholders even shows a flaw in structure tho that may be getting better,.... slowly. no, they are not "inherently" evil

Lobbying is a problem too.

expanding representation in the US House, to follow population growth, as we once did would disperse power and help a bit in that regard I think.

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what defines "excessive" ? Does Beyonce make an "excessive" amount of money? how about Tom Brady? Madonna? Is their contribution to society worth that much more than yours or mine?

I will never understand why libs attack CEOs but care nothing about what entertainers and athletes make. Who the fuck do you think is paying their incomes? You and me in the price of everything we buy.