Could all Religions Come Together?

[surada]

Good point Lisa558
The partisan agenda and battles for dominance in govt, media and public policy and perception IS also a "political religious" battle and movement similar to the Reformation of the Catholic church to democratize into local churches independent of that corrupt hierarchy which claimed central govt power.

Now it's the Reformation of the state and govt systems to democratize into self governing cities, states or party precincts around schools, health care or prisons that people can use to take back control of managing their local communities and social programs and economy.

As for the other religious issues, if you look at the messages between Redfish and buttercup answering to surada They are debating Which version of Islam is the REAL Muslim teaching and which is causing the violent oppression, which is parallel to what you said is going on in American politics.

One side says it's Trump Maga conservatives trying to undercut the election and override democracy while the Constitutionalists argue the Liberal Democrats violated national election laws and threw the process into an arbitrary "faith based" mess, dictated by partisan bias and agenda, that already bypassed and breached Constitutional process itself. So that is where the violation against public laws and duty already threw the system off and needs to be r corrected at that point. The protests and riotous violence in DC was in addition to the original breach.

Both sides say the other is lying and projecting blame when they are responsible for oppressive abuses.

Your point about US politics is sadly similar to the argument that true Muslim teachings are against the Islamic and Jihadist corruption and abuse. The Islamic regimes abuse religion to violate due process, and enable Terrorist groups the Jihadists and Wahabist to take over. The truly faithful Muslim followers also respect both church and state authority as Christians and Constitutionalists do who follow both the standards in the Bible and the Bill of Rights.


If we follow those principles and process then we would mediate to resolve conflicts to maintain peace and justice with equal protections for everyone full time. If we fail and cause a trespass or violation, we are supposed to redress grievances and share rebukes and corrections as equal neighbors under authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit for Restorative Justice to govern and heal our relations so we address injustice together to correct it and prevent it in the future.

Both the Constitutional laws are based on natural laws of peace and democracy, combining the Native American league of tribal nations with the European and English laws of democratic process abc natural rights.

The Muslims teach this as God's natural laws, of peaceful coexistence and no compulsion in religion because faith is only true when it is freely chosen. If it is forced, that's not true faith which by nature is voluntary.

So if Jihadists and Islamist Wahabist regimes are forcing their ways on others by coercion abuse or violence and threats, that is not real faith but religious and political abuse.

In the US situation with politics, if policy is against the beliefs of the people that is Unconstitutional to establish faith based beliefs or creeds through govt and public institutions that violates or disparages rights by discriminating against people on the basis of Creed. So it's violating govt laws to have political parties push their beliefs through govt that other people abc parties don't believe in and can't be fired by govt to change their beliefs. That is not real govt standards, but Unconstitutional violations.

But both parties argue the other party is violating the Constitution

Wahhabi and jihadi are not the same thing. Do you know anything about Wahhabism or just parroting some crap you've read? What does either have to do with the US?

 

[BreezeWood]

Good point Lisa558
The partisan agenda and battles for dominance in govt, media and public policy and perception IS also a "political religious" battle and movement similar to the Reformation of the Catholic church to democratize into local churches independent of that corrupt hierarchy which claimed central govt power.

Now it's the Reformation of the state and govt systems to democratize into self governing cities, states or party precincts around schools, health care or prisons that people can use to take back control of managing their local communities and social programs and economy.

As for the other religious issues, if you look at the messages between Redfish and buttercup answering to surada They are debating Which version of Islam is the REAL Muslim teaching and which is causing the violent oppression, which is parallel to what you said is going on in American politics.

One side says it's Trump Maga conservatives trying to undercut the election and override democracy while the Constitutionalists argue the Liberal Democrats violated national election laws and threw the process into an arbitrary "faith based" mess, dictated by partisan bias and agenda, that already bypassed and breached Constitutional process itself. So that is where the violation against public laws and duty already threw the system off and needs to be r corrected at that point. The protests and riotous violence in DC was in addition to the original breach.

Both sides say the other is lying and projecting blame when they are responsible for oppressive abuses.

Your point about US politics is sadly similar to the argument that true Muslim teachings are against the Islamic and Jihadist corruption and abuse. The Islamic regimes abuse religion to violate due process, and enable Terrorist groups the Jihadists and Wahabist to take over. The truly faithful Muslim followers also respect both church and state authority as Christians and Constitutionalists do who follow both the standards in the Bible and the Bill of Rights.


If we follow those principles and process then we would mediate to resolve conflicts to maintain peace and justice with equal protections for everyone full time. If we fail and cause a trespass or violation, we are supposed to redress grievances and share rebukes and corrections as equal neighbors under authority of Jesus and the Holy Spirit for Restorative Justice to govern and heal our relations so we address injustice together to correct it and prevent it in the future.

Both the Constitutional laws are based on natural laws of peace and democracy, combining the Native American league of tribal nations with the European and English laws of democratic process abc natural rights.

The Muslims teach this as God's natural laws, of peaceful coexistence and no compulsion in religion because faith is only true when it is freely chosen. If it is forced, that's not true faith which by nature is voluntary.

So if Jihadists and Islamist Wahabist regimes are forcing their ways on others by coercion abuse or violence and threats, that is not real faith but religious and political abuse.

In the US situation with politics, if policy is against the beliefs of the people that is Unconstitutional to establish faith based beliefs or creeds through govt and public institutions that violates or disparages rights by discriminating against people on the basis of Creed. So it's violating govt laws to have political parties push their beliefs through govt that other people and parties don't believe in and can't be forced by govt to change their beliefs. That is not real govt standards, but Unconstitutional violations.

But both parties argue the other party is violating the Constitution.

Again this parallels the same conflict over Muslims, and which version is what Islam really teaches and which is the false narrative that has corrupted and abused power by mixing religion with biased political agenda from one group trying to force their way onto all the other people who are protesting that.

Now it's the Reformation of the state and govt systems to democratize into self governing cities, states or party precincts around schools, health care or prisons that people can use to take back control of managing their local communities and social programs and economy.

bigotry and racism under any other name is no different than what the crucifiers have stood for throughout the centuries - emilynghiem ...

how they care so much for their fellow community ... including, surly - the jews and muslims and african americans and immigrants and swingers, just a few they hold close to their hearts.

 

[emilynghiem]

bigotry and racism under any other name is no different than what the crucifiers have stood for throughout the centuries - emilynghiem ...

how they care so much for their fellow community ... including, surly - the jews and muslims and african americans and immigrants and swingers, just a few they hold close to their hearts.

Dear BreezeWood
Notice how you, yourself, distanced yourself and conveniently blame the problem on "they" not "we".

Everyone I know does that, and this causes the same problems as what you blame on bigotry, racism and selfish bias toward some people over others.

That's a "we" problem.

 

[Dadoalex]

Despite differences, could all faiths unite? What are the great differences, and how might they be overcome so we might worship together?

No.

Under monotheism (the God Gangs) none can be "right" unless all others are wrong and for Christians and Muslims death is the only solution for those who are not right.
Those not a member of the God Gangs are atheist heathens (in the view of the God Gangs) deserving of death.

I don't see a path without eliminating monotheists.

 

[Redfish]

No.

Under monotheism (the God Gangs) none can be "right" unless all others are wrong and for Christians and Muslims death is the only solution for those who are not right.
Those not a member of the God Gangs are atheist heathens (in the view of the God Gangs) deserving of death.

I don't see a path without eliminating monotheists.

where does the Bible call for killing non-believers? the Koran does in several places.

 

[Dadoalex]

where does the Bible call for killing non-believers? the Koran does in several places.

Apparently 2000 years of history has escaped you.

 

[Redfish]

Apparently 2000 years of history has escaped you.

I understand the crusades, do you?

 

[Dadoalex]

I understand the crusades, do you?

I doubt you understand.

Do you understand the conversion of most of South America to Catholicism was led and funded by the Catholic church and was essentially "convert or die?"

Naaaah, didn't think so.

 

[Redfish]

I doubt you understand.

Do you understand the conversion of most of South America to Catholicism was led and funded by the Catholic church and was essentially "convert or die?"

Naaaah, didn't think so.

yes, that is correct. But stop changing the subject. I asked you where in the Bible it calls for killing non believers or members of other religions, we know that the Koran calls for exactly that and that such killing is practiced today in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries.

 

[Dadoalex]

yes, that is correct. But stop changing the subject. I asked you where in the Bible it calls for killing non believers or members of other religions, we know that the Koran calls for exactly that and that such killing is practiced today in Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries.

Sigh...
If religion had anything to do with the Bible we'd not be having this discussion.

 

[Redfish]

Sigh...
If religion had anything to do with the Bible we'd not be having this discussion.

if you had any brains we would not be having this discussion.. Are you claiming that the Bible is not the book or Christianity?

 

[BreezeWood]

Dear BreezeWood
Notice how you, yourself, distanced yourself and conveniently blame the problem on "they" not "we".

Everyone I know does that, and this causes the same problems as what you blame on bigotry, racism and selfish bias toward some people over others.

That's a "we" problem.

blaming the problem ... is not what is - recorded history ...

recorded history is a snapshot of the problem ...

bigotry and racism under any other name is no different than what the crucifiers have stood for throughout the centuries -

name one century christians, the desert religions were not at the forefront of persecution and victimization of the innocent ... were their victims a part of your -"we".

constitutionalist / universalist - - christians down deep hate more than anything the liberation theology, self determination they wrote in the u s constitution being the same message as those of the 1st century - and would like nothing more than to rip it to shreds.

 

[Meriweather]

No.

Under monotheism (the God Gangs) none can be "right" unless all others are wrong and for Christians and Muslims death is the only solution for those who are not right.
Those not a member of the God Gangs are atheist heathens (in the view of the God Gangs) deserving of death.

I don't see a path without eliminating monotheists.

So all the Christians you know are in murderous gangs. Not one has ever been kind to anyone, let alone you. Never a helping hand.

 

[ding]

So all the Christians you know are in murderous gangs. Not one has ever been kind to anyone, let alone you. Never a helping hand.

No. Just Catholics.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

unless all others are wrong and for Christians and Muslims death is the only solution for those who are not right

This is either LYING or IGNORANCE

 

[ding]

I sleep like a baby at night knowing with 100% certainty that the people posting here with axes to grind are the same people who end up cutting off their feet in real life... metaphorically speaking that is. Poor behaviors can't be turned off and on as easily as a light switch.

 

[Dadoalex]

if you had any brains we would not be having this discussion.. Are you claiming that the Bible is not the book or Christianity?

Speaking of brainless...Another tiny minded ape-like creature makes what passes for its thoughts known.

Which Bible?

There are literally dozens based on the Council of Rome and that doesn't include the Gnostic texts and let us not forget the Eastern churches and their own bibles.

 

[Dadoalex]

So all the Christians you know are in murderous gangs. Not one has ever been kind to anyone, let alone you. Never a helping hand.

Well, yes. They truly are.
Christianity spread at the point of a spear or gun. You know, just like gangs.
Gangs can be very kind to peoples under their control. And very cruel to those outside their control.
Just like Christians.

But please don't think I'm just talking bout Christians.
Jews and Muslims are no different.

Because
If anything I believe is true then EVERYTHING you believe is false.

And that is the biggest threat of all.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Regardless of ones religion I often believe that dogma and rituals can overshadow the positive and peaceful messages conveyed. It creates followers who look to debate granular details rather than the general message, in particular with Christianity, which is the religion I know best and follow. If we want religions to come together, we must follow it within different sects, no?

 

[Dadoalex]

This is either LYING or IGNORANCE

No, the denial is on your end and you're denying 6000 years of human history.