Could Trump actually beat Hillary in a debate?

[SuperDemocrat]

Hillary would do fine with facts, logic, knowledge and so on, but then Trump would put on his pouty face and Republicans would melt.

Hillary would show us her vagina and prove once and for all that she has sharp teeth around it.

 

[candycorn]

Well, feel free to roll the dice and nominate Mr. Trump. Politically, nothing could be better for the Democrats than to see Donald Trump on a debate stage in October.

If Iowa should teach you guys anything it is that they are serious about listening to the candidates and you just don't get their vote because your name is Trump or Clinton or Bush; probably 3 of the best known family names in the nation.

The independents who decide who is the President are much the same way...you've got to be serious about this. Twenty seconds into a conversation with any supporter of Mr. Trump will quickly reveal that they are ill prepared for what is coming.

 

[SmokeALib]

A rotting, burning pile of horseshit could beat pantsuit in a debate. I'm sure Trump won't have a problem here.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You remind me of the rooster that crows in the morning when it sees the sun. The difference is that you believe the Rooster is responsible for the sunrise when everyone (including the rooster) knows differently.

Ignorance is bliss and you're orgasmic.

You don't make any sense, but I'm sure you've been told that many times.

Jilligan said that the Republican candidates makes their "electorate gag". I just showed how the electorate came out in record numbers to vote for their respective Republican candidate and I also showed how her beloved Democrat party appears to be the ones gagging their electorate.

When you were asked if you could be anymore stupid, you took it as a challenge and showed us that you could indeed be even more stupid.

There certainly is an enthusiasm gap right now between the Republicans and democrats, and that is huge in an election where turnout is key. Hillary is a terrible candidate, doesn't inspire, is unlikable and turns people off with her rhetorical screeching. Democrats are going to have to have something more to offer than "oh meh gerhd, they's gunna take away abertion!!".

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

 

[jillian]

You don't make any sense, but I'm sure you've been told that many times.

Jilligan said that the Republican candidates makes their "electorate gag". I just showed how the electorate came out in record numbers to vote for their respective Republican candidate and I also showed how her beloved Democrat party appears to be the ones gagging their electorate.

When you were asked if you could be anymore stupid, you took it as a challenge and showed us that you could indeed be even more stupid.

There certainly is an enthusiasm gap right now between the Republicans and democrats, and that is huge in an election where turnout is key. Hillary is a terrible candidate, doesn't inspire, is unlikable and turns people off with her rhetorical screeching. Democrats are going to have to have something more to offer than "oh meh gerhd, they's gunna take away abertion!!".

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

There certainly is an enthusiasm gap right now between the Republicans and democrats, and that is huge in an election where turnout is key. Hillary is a terrible candidate, doesn't inspire, is unlikable and turns people off with her rhetorical screeching. Democrats are going to have to have something more to offer than "oh meh gerhd, they's gunna take away abertion!!".

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

No people can't choose their own healthcare plan. Your plan MUST meet the ACA requirements. The lie of the year was "If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"

•White House Web page: "Linda Douglass of the White House Office of Health Reform debunks the myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them. "(Spanish-language version.)



•White House Web page: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."



•President’s weekly address, June 6, 2009: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."



•Town hall in Green Bay, Wis., June 11, 2009: "No matter how we reform health care, I intend to keep this promise: If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan."



•Remarks at the American Medical Association, June 15, 2009: "I know that there are millions of Americans who are content with their health care coverage — they like their plan and, most importantly, they value their relationship with their doctor. They trust you. And that means that no matter how we reform health care, we will keep this promise to the American people: If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what."



•Presidential press conference, June 23, 2009. "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing. You keep your plan. You keep your doctor."



•Rose Garden remarks, July 15, 2009. "If you like your doctor or health care provider, you can keep them. If you like your health care plan, you can keep that too."



•Remarks at a rally for New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine, July 16, 2009: "if you've got health insurance, you like your doctor, you like your plan — you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you."



•Presidential weekly address, July 18, 2009: "Michelle and I don’t want anyone telling us who our family’s doctor should be – and no one should decide that for you either. Under our proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."



•Rose Garden remarks, July 21, 2009: "If you like your current plan, you will be able to keep it. Let me repeat that: If you like your plan, you'll be able to keep it."



•Remarks in Shaker Heights, Ohio, July 23, 2009: "Reform will keep the government out of your health care decisions, giving you the option to keep your coverage if you're happy with it."



•Town hall in Raleigh, N.C.,July 29, 2009: "I have been as clear as I can be. Under the reform I've proposed, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan. These folks need to stop scaring everybody. Nobody is talking about you forcing … to change your plans."



•Presidential weekly address, Aug. 8, 2009: "Under the reforms we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."



•Town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009: "Under the reform we're proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."



•Town hall in Belgrade, Mont., Aug. 14, 2009: "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. This is not some government takeover. If you like your doctor, you can keep seeing your doctor. This is important."



•Presidential weekly address, Aug. 15, 2009: "No matter what you’ve heard, if you like your doctor or health care plan, you can keep it."

White House web page: "For those Americans who already have health insurance, the only changes you will see under the law are new benefits, better protections from insurance company abuses, and more value for every dollar you spend on health care. If you like your plan you can keep it and you don’t have to change a thing due to the health care law."



•Remarks in Iowa City, Iowa, March 25, 2010: "You like your plan? You’ll be keeping your plan. No one is taking that away from you."



•Remarks in Portland, Maine, April 1, 2010: The critics will "see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. And if you like your insurance plan, you will keep it. No one will be able to take that away from you. It hasn’t happened yet. It won’t happen in the future."



•White House blog post by Stephanie Cutter, May 18, 2010: "A key point to remember is that while the Act makes many changes to the individual market, it specifically allows those who want to keep their current insurance to do so. Most of the Act’s protections apply only to new policies, allowing people to stick with their current plan if they prefer."


Going into ObamaCare’s first enrollment period in 2013 4.7 million of the 270 million Americans with health coverage lost plans. This group who lost their plans include about 1.4 million who qualified for free coverage from Medicaid and about 2.35 million who qualified for subsidies on the Marketplace. All Americans who had canceled plans qualified for a hardship exemption, meaning if they chose not to sign up they wouldn’t pay the fee for not having insurance in 2014. Others were able to keep their plan to additional years up to 2017.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

All he ever offers are platitudes with no substance. While I don't agree with Hillary on anything I don't think Trump could best her on substance. She would constantly be able to use one phrase that would keep Trump perpetually in defense mode, "Remember when you said......*insert liberal positions here*"

the answer is... no he can't. but that's fine... neither can any of the other GOP'ers.

​

you probably should keep drinking. you're going to be very unhappy come November.

there's still time for you wingers to pick someone who doesn't make the electorate gag.

oh wait.....

And who are you guys running? A 300 year old socialist and a crook?

Please... Democrats.. the party of Old White People.

 

[Redfish]

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

 

[Redfish]

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

jilly jelly belly thinks this is funny, must be the defective liberal gene acting up again.

 

[g5000]

After pounding her face in for 90 minutes in a debate, Trump would finish Clinton off by saying, "Look, we bought and sold Hillary around Washington like a hooker, okay? We owned her. I paid her to be at my wedding, all right? The truth is that she's for sale. Everybody in Washington knows she's for sale. And they know I'm not, and that scares the hell out of them."

Done.

 

[hadit]

There certainly is an enthusiasm gap right now between the Republicans and democrats, and that is huge in an election where turnout is key. Hillary is a terrible candidate, doesn't inspire, is unlikable and turns people off with her rhetorical screeching. Democrats are going to have to have something more to offer than "oh meh gerhd, they's gunna take away abertion!!".

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

Sounds like a good reason to get the government OUT of things it has no business being in.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

True choice includes the choice to NOT participate. Would you call yourself pro-choice if abortion were mandatory and the choices were only between methods?

 

[imawhosure]

There certainly is an enthusiasm gap right now between the Republicans and democrats, and that is huge in an election where turnout is key. Hillary is a terrible candidate, doesn't inspire, is unlikable and turns people off with her rhetorical screeching. Democrats are going to have to have something more to offer than "oh meh gerhd, they's gunna take away abertion!!".

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

jilly jelly belly thinks this is funny, must be the defective liberal gene acting up again.

After pounding her face in for 90 minutes in a debate, Trump would finish Clinton off by saying, "Look, we bought and sold Hillary around Washington like a hooker, okay? We owned her. I paid her to be at my wedding, all right? The truth is that she's for sale. Everybody in Washington knows she's for sale. And they know I'm not, and that scares the hell out of them."

Done.

1. Donald Trump would win the debate on economic policy. That would be a done deal.

2. Hillary would win on foreign policy, and how could she not? To even suggest Trump would be knowledgeable enough to beat her in this arena is fantasy. She could proclaim an out and out lie to shut Trump up, and he would not even know it was a lie.

3. Likability would drive this debate more than anything unless the "serious gaff" count was far more weighted on one side or the other.

The Democrats want everyone to see this race in a certain abstract, and it really isn't working for them at this time. They are putting forth the false notion that there are (made up numbers for expediency, but it makes the case) 1 million voters, and they are going to carry 525,000 of them, so it is a done deal.

That is a false narrative, plain and simple! They may be correct that there are 1 million voters, but they are not all going to vote. Now that is something very important to contemplate.

What we would actually have were it Hilly V Trump is a race unprecedented in modern American history, where by all polls, BOTH candidates are tremendously hampered by their personalities, and former actions. Neither is very likable by anyone but their ardent supporters.

In every scenario run for internals, the vote for Democrats in the general drops as opposed to 12, and much more than that for them from 08 regardless if the nominee is Hilly, or Sanders.

For the GOP, it depends upon who they nominate; at least as of right now...........or should I say, the day before the Iowa caucus. It could go significantly up, or it could go significantly down! The wildcard is............and honest, it is true...........one of the GOP candidates steals a much larger % of Democratic votes than any other. Neither Democratic candidate steals any significant amount of GOP voters. The independents dislike Hilly and Trump almost equally, lol.

So the bottom line is------------> The debates if it were Hilly and Trump would be about "acceptability," and little else. We can all sit here and proclaim it is our "our guy" or "girl," but it is not about us; no it isn't! It is about the people who do not like either one of them who will have to be convinced to don a gas mask, go into the voting booth, and pull a lever because the alternative is so bad, a gas mask for 4 or 8 years would not be sufficient to keep them from constantly choking. Because of this, if these 2 are the nominees, we will witness totally negative campaigns, and the debates will be cage matches.

With this all in mind, I call it even because if you want the media manipulated by a GOP candidate, you call on Trump above all others. If you want a chameleon who can change on a moments notice, you call Hillary. That is for the debates!

As far as the election, slight advantage Hillary because as of this moment, she starts out with a lead. That means that Trump has to convince or change more votes. But, with both of them being so unlovable, anything is possible!

 

[basquebromance]

HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON WOULD FALL AT TRUMP'S FEET! HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON WOULD FALL AT TRUMP'S FEET! HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON WOULD FALL AT TRUMP'S FEET!

 

[basquebromance]

trump wins!

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

 

[jillian]

well, I can tell you that women aren't going to vote for an anti-choice extremist who doesn't believe in equal pay for equal work. and that also means we can't vote for someone who will appoint judges who won't enforce our rights.

if you have a problem with that, i'd suggest you get over it.

as for Hillary... the rightwingnuts have done nothing but make up insane things for years about her. luckily, most people don't care what rightwingnuts say about our candidates.

truth is you all suddenly love Bernie because you know 70% of the people in this country won't vote for a socialist.

which makes you think it doesn't matter what type of idiot you put up as your candidate.

it doesn't work that way.

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

jilly jelly belly thinks this is funny, must be the defective liberal gene acting up again.

After pounding her face in for 90 minutes in a debate, Trump would finish Clinton off by saying, "Look, we bought and sold Hillary around Washington like a hooker, okay? We owned her. I paid her to be at my wedding, all right? The truth is that she's for sale. Everybody in Washington knows she's for sale. And they know I'm not, and that scares the hell out of them."

Done.

1. Donald Trump would win the debate on economic policy. That would be a done deal.

2. Hillary would win on foreign policy, and how could she not? To even suggest Trump would be knowledgeable enough to beat her in this arena is fantasy. She could proclaim an out and out lie to shut Trump up, and he would not even know it was a lie.

3. Likability would drive this debate more than anything unless the "serious gaff" count was far more weighted on one side or the other.

The Democrats want everyone to see this race in a certain abstract, and it really isn't working for them at this time. They are putting forth the false notion that there are (made up numbers for expediency, but it makes the case) 1 million voters, and they are going to carry 525,000 of them, so it is a done deal.

That is a false narrative, plain and simple! They may be correct that there are 1 million voters, but they are not all going to vote. Now that is something very important to contemplate.

What we would actually have were it Hilly V Trump is a race unprecedented in modern American history, where by all polls, BOTH candidates are tremendously hampered by their personalities, and former actions. Neither is very likable by anyone but their ardent supporters.

In every scenario run for internals, the vote for Democrats in the general drops as opposed to 12, and much more than that for them from 08 regardless if the nominee is Hilly, or Sanders.

For the GOP, it depends upon who they nominate; at least as of right now...........or should I say, the day before the Iowa caucus. It could go significantly up, or it could go significantly down! The wildcard is............and honest, it is true...........one of the GOP candidates steals a much larger % of Democratic votes than any other. Neither Democratic candidate steals any significant amount of GOP voters. The independents dislike Hilly and Trump almost equally, lol.

So the bottom line is------------> The debates if it were Hilly and Trump would be about "acceptability," and little else. We can all sit here and proclaim it is our "our guy" or "girl," but it is not about us; no it isn't! It is about the people who do not like either one of them who will have to be convinced to don a gas mask, go into the voting booth, and pull a lever because the alternative is so bad, a gas mask for 4 or 8 years would not be sufficient to keep them from constantly choking. Because of this, if these 2 are the nominees, we will witness totally negative campaigns, and the debates will be cage matches.

With this all in mind, I call it even because if you want the media manipulated by a GOP candidate, you call on Trump above all others. If you want a chameleon who can change on a moments notice, you call Hillary. That is for the debates!

As far as the election, slight advantage Hillary because as of this moment, she starts out with a lead. That means that Trump has to convince or change more votes. But, with both of them being so unlovable, anything is possible!

donald trump bankrupted four corporations and ripped off his investors and his vendors. he's not winning an economic debate....particularly when rightwingnut trickle down economics is a failure.

he knows nothing of foreign policy except to spew racist stereotypes.

he loses on social policy as long as he panders to the radical religious right, abuses women and insults all voters except for white christians.

 

[Redfish]

You are not pro-choice, you are pro-abortion. Stop with the bullshit.

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

jilly jelly belly thinks this is funny, must be the defective liberal gene acting up again.

After pounding her face in for 90 minutes in a debate, Trump would finish Clinton off by saying, "Look, we bought and sold Hillary around Washington like a hooker, okay? We owned her. I paid her to be at my wedding, all right? The truth is that she's for sale. Everybody in Washington knows she's for sale. And they know I'm not, and that scares the hell out of them."

Done.

1. Donald Trump would win the debate on economic policy. That would be a done deal.

2. Hillary would win on foreign policy, and how could she not? To even suggest Trump would be knowledgeable enough to beat her in this arena is fantasy. She could proclaim an out and out lie to shut Trump up, and he would not even know it was a lie.

3. Likability would drive this debate more than anything unless the "serious gaff" count was far more weighted on one side or the other.

The Democrats want everyone to see this race in a certain abstract, and it really isn't working for them at this time. They are putting forth the false notion that there are (made up numbers for expediency, but it makes the case) 1 million voters, and they are going to carry 525,000 of them, so it is a done deal.

That is a false narrative, plain and simple! They may be correct that there are 1 million voters, but they are not all going to vote. Now that is something very important to contemplate.

What we would actually have were it Hilly V Trump is a race unprecedented in modern American history, where by all polls, BOTH candidates are tremendously hampered by their personalities, and former actions. Neither is very likable by anyone but their ardent supporters.

In every scenario run for internals, the vote for Democrats in the general drops as opposed to 12, and much more than that for them from 08 regardless if the nominee is Hilly, or Sanders.

For the GOP, it depends upon who they nominate; at least as of right now...........or should I say, the day before the Iowa caucus. It could go significantly up, or it could go significantly down! The wildcard is............and honest, it is true...........one of the GOP candidates steals a much larger % of Democratic votes than any other. Neither Democratic candidate steals any significant amount of GOP voters. The independents dislike Hilly and Trump almost equally, lol.

So the bottom line is------------> The debates if it were Hilly and Trump would be about "acceptability," and little else. We can all sit here and proclaim it is our "our guy" or "girl," but it is not about us; no it isn't! It is about the people who do not like either one of them who will have to be convinced to don a gas mask, go into the voting booth, and pull a lever because the alternative is so bad, a gas mask for 4 or 8 years would not be sufficient to keep them from constantly choking. Because of this, if these 2 are the nominees, we will witness totally negative campaigns, and the debates will be cage matches.

With this all in mind, I call it even because if you want the media manipulated by a GOP candidate, you call on Trump above all others. If you want a chameleon who can change on a moments notice, you call Hillary. That is for the debates!

As far as the election, slight advantage Hillary because as of this moment, she starts out with a lead. That means that Trump has to convince or change more votes. But, with both of them being so unlovable, anything is possible!

donald trump bankrupted four corporations and ripped off his investors and his vendors. he's not winning an economic debate....particularly when rightwingnut trickle down economics is a failure.

he knows nothing of foreign policy except to spew racist stereotypes.

he loses on social policy as long as he panders to the radical religious right, abuses women and insults all voters except for white christians.

very good recitation of the dem talking points on Trump. Not a word of truth in it, but you did memorize it well.

You are a joke on this forum. Go find a kiddie forum to play on.

 

[jillian]

Lonestar "logic"...oxymoron.

Being pro choice means a woman has the right to reproductive choice. I know that is threatening to the GOP...letting the women folk do what they want to.

Tough.

That's the liberal spin on the term, but not the reality.

How about letting people choose their own health insurance and health plan.....?

Lmao. That's the theocrat spin on it. *shrug*

People can choose their own health plan. But actually have to choose a plan. There are lots of things we pay for that I'm not interested in carrying like farm subsidies to Michele bachmann's families and others like them and her closeted husband's pray away the gay program.

Then there was always the cost of baby bush's wars and corporate welfare.

You need to stop stalling your feet and whining. Especially when you like putting your nose in people's private lives.

Trump would destroy the hildebeast in a debate, literally destroy her. He would remind the voters about her history of lying and corruption without worrying about offending the stupid PC crowd, the feminists, or any other special interest group.

That's why the establishment is scared of Trump, they could not control him, they could not dictate policy to him, He would only owe allegiance to the American people and the constitution---------and that is what scares liberals, the media, and the money power brokers.

He, or someone like him, is the only way to save this country from becoming a socialist dictatorship.

jilly jelly belly thinks this is funny, must be the defective liberal gene acting up again.

After pounding her face in for 90 minutes in a debate, Trump would finish Clinton off by saying, "Look, we bought and sold Hillary around Washington like a hooker, okay? We owned her. I paid her to be at my wedding, all right? The truth is that she's for sale. Everybody in Washington knows she's for sale. And they know I'm not, and that scares the hell out of them."

Done.

1. Donald Trump would win the debate on economic policy. That would be a done deal.

2. Hillary would win on foreign policy, and how could she not? To even suggest Trump would be knowledgeable enough to beat her in this arena is fantasy. She could proclaim an out and out lie to shut Trump up, and he would not even know it was a lie.

3. Likability would drive this debate more than anything unless the "serious gaff" count was far more weighted on one side or the other.

The Democrats want everyone to see this race in a certain abstract, and it really isn't working for them at this time. They are putting forth the false notion that there are (made up numbers for expediency, but it makes the case) 1 million voters, and they are going to carry 525,000 of them, so it is a done deal.

That is a false narrative, plain and simple! They may be correct that there are 1 million voters, but they are not all going to vote. Now that is something very important to contemplate.

What we would actually have were it Hilly V Trump is a race unprecedented in modern American history, where by all polls, BOTH candidates are tremendously hampered by their personalities, and former actions. Neither is very likable by anyone but their ardent supporters.

In every scenario run for internals, the vote for Democrats in the general drops as opposed to 12, and much more than that for them from 08 regardless if the nominee is Hilly, or Sanders.

For the GOP, it depends upon who they nominate; at least as of right now...........or should I say, the day before the Iowa caucus. It could go significantly up, or it could go significantly down! The wildcard is............and honest, it is true...........one of the GOP candidates steals a much larger % of Democratic votes than any other. Neither Democratic candidate steals any significant amount of GOP voters. The independents dislike Hilly and Trump almost equally, lol.

So the bottom line is------------> The debates if it were Hilly and Trump would be about "acceptability," and little else. We can all sit here and proclaim it is our "our guy" or "girl," but it is not about us; no it isn't! It is about the people who do not like either one of them who will have to be convinced to don a gas mask, go into the voting booth, and pull a lever because the alternative is so bad, a gas mask for 4 or 8 years would not be sufficient to keep them from constantly choking. Because of this, if these 2 are the nominees, we will witness totally negative campaigns, and the debates will be cage matches.

With this all in mind, I call it even because if you want the media manipulated by a GOP candidate, you call on Trump above all others. If you want a chameleon who can change on a moments notice, you call Hillary. That is for the debates!

As far as the election, slight advantage Hillary because as of this moment, she starts out with a lead. That means that Trump has to convince or change more votes. But, with both of them being so unlovable, anything is possible!

donald trump bankrupted four corporations and ripped off his investors and his vendors. he's not winning an economic debate....particularly when rightwingnut trickle down economics is a failure.

he knows nothing of foreign policy except to spew racist stereotypes.

he loses on social policy as long as he panders to the radical religious right, abuses women and insults all voters except for white christians.

very good recitation of the dem talking points on Trump. Not a word of truth in it, but you did memorize it well.

You are a joke on this forum. Go find a kiddie forum to play on.

that's funny. i understand you're fact-averse and dumb as toast. but every word there is true. no talking points, idiota.