Crazy Liberals calling for a total confiscation of firearms

[Flash]

Flash has a class 3, no?

I have a Class III M-16. Funny thing, I never used it in a crime. Nether have I used any of the other 50 firearms I own in a crime nor do I have any intentions of doing so.

Why do these stupid Moon Bats want to take them away from me? Are they idiots?

idk. I have no need for all that when every squeeze of my trigger could be a headshot.

My cousin has a class III and a full-auto Tommy gun with a drum.

I'm not sure why this is, but M1's (like he had in the war) are hard to get/expensive.

I plan on finding one and giving it to him if I can find one. He can't find one.

I have a certain amount to expend on that.

It's not an "unlimited" thing.

I got the M-16 pre Hughes Amendment back when they were only about $25 more than an AR. Of course I had to pay that stupid NFA tax and wait six month. Filthy government!

I only use it as a range toy. It is fun to go bang bang but, like you, if I had to use an AR for business purposses it would be a semi auto.. I wouldn't buy one nowadays.

I have shot the Thompsons before and they are a beast. I really don't like them.

That asshole Obama put a hold on transferring all the Korean M-1s to the CMP. Also .45s. That would have brought down the price. Everything that shithead Obama did was wrong.

 

[TexM3]

Liberals are absolutely batshit crazy. They say they are only for "reasonable" gun control laws but then you see that their definition of reasonable includes total firearm confiscation.

Then they wonder why they have no credibility and we can't trust them with our Constitutional rights and they wonder why ridicule them so much.

Hand over your weapons - The Boston Globe


Hand over your weapons

Democrats have even let the word “confiscation” slip out, on occasion. After the shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. in 2012, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a radio interview that when it came to assault weapons “confiscation could be an option, mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”


Ultimately, if gun-control advocates really want to stanch the blood, there’s no way around it: They’ll have to persuade more people of the need to confiscate millions of those firearms, as radical as that idea may now seem.

From your link: "Since passage of the law, the country hasn’t seen a single mass shooting — defined as a killing of five or more people, not including the gunman.
A study by researchers at Australian National University and Wilfrid Laurier University found a 59 percent drop in the firearm homicide rate and a 65 percent decline in the firearm suicide rate in the decade after the law was introduced."
“Penalizing decent, law-abiding citizens because of the criminal behavior of others seemed unfair. Many of them had been lifelong supporters of my coalition and felt bewildered and betrayed by these new laws. I understood their misgivings. Yet I felt there was no alternative.”

If the NRA and like-minded people have no alternative to propose...

You really need a little help in reading comprehension.

The article was giving the case for confiscation and that little section that you quoted was only the counter argument. Of course Americans aren't going to stand for it and of course it is unfair and against the Constitution. Those are givens. Typical for a bat shit crazy Liberals newspaper from a Commie state and a filthy sanctuary Moon Bat city that endorsed that Obama asshole and that Crooked Hillary piece of shit..

So what do YOU propose to end all the mass killings?

Get rid of leftists, muslims, and ssri drugs. Allow constitutional carry.

Mass shootings go to zero.

 

[Nosmo King]

As gun lovers offer no solution to the flow of blood, as they refuse to take any responsibility for the weaponry available to mass murderers, as gun lovers fail to see the carnage wrought by gun violence, perhaps it's time to talk about mandatory buy backs.

You can talk about it all you want, but since it's unconstitutional that's about all you can do.

Your right to bear arms is already infringed. Do you own a mortar? A flamethrower? An Abrams A-1 tank? A howitzer? Are these not arms?

Fully automatic firing systems are highly regulated. Is that not an infringement?

The domestic arms race is out of control. Public safety outweighs theoretical arguments until those arguments can be understood. I know this is beyond a highly charged social issue. I appreciate and champion the public safety side. And I understand the constitutional aspect.

But I also know that this nation is mature enough to meaningfully debate an important national issue. This ain't kneeling football players or confederate statues. This is literally life and death.

If gun advocates continue to block meaningful gun policy reform, they should be seen as complicit with mass shootings. Failure to recognize the carnage wrought by assault weapons is, sadly at this point, willful ignorance.

Gun ownership bears great responsibility. Measures making guns ownership safer are well worth exploring. The majority of gun owners understand the problems of gun show loopholes, straw man purchasing and thorough background checks.

But at every turn someone refers to the NRA playbook and says that; attempts at gun control will inevitably end in forced confiscation. That gun control laws are ineffective therefore no laws need be written. That any gun law is unconstitutional and therefore should not be considered.

Now. You write a solution.

 

[TexM3]

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You get all the bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump action shotguns you want. You don't get any semi-automatic firing systems, high capacity magazines or bump stocks. Those weapons can be bought back and then prohibited from sale, manufacture, distribution, possession and importation. You get self defense, but not assault weapons. You don't need them.

I have a couple of dozen AR-15s and assorted other "assault" weapons. I also have several hundred standard capatity magazines.

I am like 99% of all firearm owners. I have never committed a crime with any of the firearms. I have no intentions of ever committing a crime with the firearms. I keep them locked up. I am a certified NRA firearms instructor and certified range officer.

Why should my Constitutional rights be infringed because somebody else commits crimes? Where is the justice in that? Aren't you Moon Bats always claiming that you are for fair treatment? Why punish me for the crimes of other people?

Shouldn't we punish those that commit the crimes with firearms rather than taking firearms away from the responsible gun owners in this country?

Do you even think about things like this are you simply a stupid Moon Bat that always parrots the idiotic Libtard talking points of the day?

You didn't vote for Crooked Hillary, did you? She ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to advocate taking away the right to keep and bear arms, didn't you? It would have been really dumb to have voted for somebody like that, wouldn't it?

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

 

[Nosmo King]

[Q

You get all the bolt action rifles, revolvers and pump action shotguns you want. You don't get any semi-automatic firing systems, high capacity magazines or bump stocks. Those weapons can be bought back and then prohibited from sale, manufacture, distribution, possession and importation. You get self defense, but not assault weapons. You don't need them.

I have a couple of dozen AR-15s and assorted other "assault" weapons. I also have several hundred standard capatity magazines.

I am like 99% of all firearm owners. I have never committed a crime with any of the firearms. I have no intentions of ever committing a crime with the firearms. I keep them locked up. I am a certified NRA firearms instructor and certified range officer.

Why should my Constitutional rights be infringed because somebody else commits crimes? Where is the justice in that? Aren't you Moon Bats always claiming that you are for fair treatment? Why punish me for the crimes of other people?

Shouldn't we punish those that commit the crimes with firearms rather than taking firearms away from the responsible gun owners in this country?

Do you even think about things like this are you simply a stupid Moon Bat that always parrots the idiotic Libtard talking points of the day?

You didn't vote for Crooked Hillary, did you? She ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to advocate taking away the right to keep and bear arms, didn't you? It would have been really dumb to have voted for somebody like that, wouldn't it?

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

 

[TexM3]

I have a couple of dozen AR-15s and assorted other "assault" weapons. I also have several hundred standard capatity magazines.

I am like 99% of all firearm owners. I have never committed a crime with any of the firearms. I have no intentions of ever committing a crime with the firearms. I keep them locked up. I am a certified NRA firearms instructor and certified range officer.

Why should my Constitutional rights be infringed because somebody else commits crimes? Where is the justice in that? Aren't you Moon Bats always claiming that you are for fair treatment? Why punish me for the crimes of other people?

Shouldn't we punish those that commit the crimes with firearms rather than taking firearms away from the responsible gun owners in this country?

Do you even think about things like this are you simply a stupid Moon Bat that always parrots the idiotic Libtard talking points of the day?

You didn't vote for Crooked Hillary, did you? She ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to advocate taking away the right to keep and bear arms, didn't you? It would have been really dumb to have voted for somebody like that, wouldn't it?

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

Deterrent against overreaching governments.

 

[Peach]

All 270 million firearms in citizen hands? Take a nap.

 

[Flash]

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

Deterrent against overreacting governments.

These stupid Moon Bats don't think the government could ever "overreact". They think that way because the government has always given them their welfare check on time.

 

[Flash]

I have a couple of dozen AR-15s and assorted other "assault" weapons. I also have several hundred standard capatity magazines.

I am like 99% of all firearm owners. I have never committed a crime with any of the firearms. I have no intentions of ever committing a crime with the firearms. I keep them locked up. I am a certified NRA firearms instructor and certified range officer.

Why should my Constitutional rights be infringed because somebody else commits crimes? Where is the justice in that? Aren't you Moon Bats always claiming that you are for fair treatment? Why punish me for the crimes of other people?

Shouldn't we punish those that commit the crimes with firearms rather than taking firearms away from the responsible gun owners in this country?

Do you even think about things like this are you simply a stupid Moon Bat that always parrots the idiotic Libtard talking points of the day?

You didn't vote for Crooked Hillary, did you? She ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to advocate taking away the right to keep and bear arms, didn't you? It would have been really dumb to have voted for somebody like that, wouldn't it?

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

The weapons that I chose for self defense, to hold the filthy government accountable and for recreation use are none of your business. If you feel only a handgun serves your purpose then that is fine but other people feel differently.

By the way Moon Bat. As had been stated many times what you Moon Bats call "assault weapons" are very seldom used in crime. Most of the gun crime is from cheap or stolen handguns. When they are used it is usually high profile but in the scheme of things they account for very few of the murders.

 

[Mudda]

Liberals are absolutely batshit crazy. They say they are only for "reasonable" gun control laws but then you see that their definition of reasonable includes total firearm confiscation.

Then they wonder why they have no credibility and we can't trust them with our Constitutional rights and they wonder why ridicule them so much.

Hand over your weapons - The Boston Globe


Hand over your weapons

Democrats have even let the word “confiscation” slip out, on occasion. After the shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. in 2012, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a radio interview that when it came to assault weapons “confiscation could be an option, mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”


Ultimately, if gun-control advocates really want to stanch the blood, there’s no way around it: They’ll have to persuade more people of the need to confiscate millions of those firearms, as radical as that idea may now seem.

From your link: "Since passage of the law, the country hasn’t seen a single mass shooting — defined as a killing of five or more people, not including the gunman.
A study by researchers at Australian National University and Wilfrid Laurier University found a 59 percent drop in the firearm homicide rate and a 65 percent decline in the firearm suicide rate in the decade after the law was introduced."
“Penalizing decent, law-abiding citizens because of the criminal behavior of others seemed unfair. Many of them had been lifelong supporters of my coalition and felt bewildered and betrayed by these new laws. I understood their misgivings. Yet I felt there was no alternative.”

If the NRA and like-minded people have no alternative to propose...

You really need a little help in reading comprehension.

The article was giving the case for confiscation and that little section that you quoted was only the counter argument. Of course Americans aren't going to stand for it and of course it is unfair and against the Constitution. Those are givens. Typical for a bat shit crazy Liberals newspaper from a Commie state and a filthy sanctuary Moon Bat city that endorsed that Obama asshole and that Crooked Hillary piece of shit..

So what do YOU propose to end all the mass killings?

Get rid of leftists, muslims, and ssri drugs. Allow constitutional carry.

Mass shootings go to zero.

C'mon, get serious. Do you have a real suggestion or not?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Hitler took the guns away from the German citizens. We see hw that all turned out.

Liberals want fascism. They’ll get there eventually if we let them.

/——/ Actually hitler only took guns from Jews. If you were Arian and in the Nazi party you got to keep your guns.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Hitler took the guns away from the German citizens. We see hw that all turned out.

Liberals want fascism. They’ll get there eventually if we let them.

/——/ Actually hitler only took guns from Jews. If you were Arian and in the Nazi party you got to keep your guns.

I didn’t know that.

Hitler was kind of a dick.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

My constitutional solution is mandatory machine gun open carry for all adults.

There will NEVER be another mass shooting again.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I always get my political opinions from rednecks displaying confederate

Liberals are absolutely batshit crazy. They say they are only for "reasonable" gun control laws but then you see that their definition of reasonable includes total firearm confiscation.

Then they wonder why they have no credibility and we can't trust them with our Constitutional rights and they wonder why ridicule them so much.

Hand over your weapons - The Boston Globe


Hand over your weapons

Democrats have even let the word “confiscation” slip out, on occasion. After the shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. in 2012, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a radio interview that when it came to assault weapons “confiscation could be an option, mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”


Ultimately, if gun-control advocates really want to stanch the blood, there’s no way around it: They’ll have to persuade more people of the need to confiscate millions of those firearms, as radical as that idea may now seem.

Guns are for shmucks.

Like the hero that shot the crazy guy the other day and prevented him from killing other people? He is a "shmuck" as far as you are concerned?

Another Moon Bat outed.

I always get my political opinions from rednecks who display confederate flags on their postings. Doesn't everyone?

 

[Vandalshandle]

My constitutional solution is mandatory machine gun open carry for all adults.

There will NEVER be another mass shooting again.

Does anyone who knows you take you seriously?

 

[ding]

I have a couple of dozen AR-15s and assorted other "assault" weapons. I also have several hundred standard capatity magazines.

I am like 99% of all firearm owners. I have never committed a crime with any of the firearms. I have no intentions of ever committing a crime with the firearms. I keep them locked up. I am a certified NRA firearms instructor and certified range officer.

Why should my Constitutional rights be infringed because somebody else commits crimes? Where is the justice in that? Aren't you Moon Bats always claiming that you are for fair treatment? Why punish me for the crimes of other people?

Shouldn't we punish those that commit the crimes with firearms rather than taking firearms away from the responsible gun owners in this country?

Do you even think about things like this are you simply a stupid Moon Bat that always parrots the idiotic Libtard talking points of the day?

You didn't vote for Crooked Hillary, did you? She ran on a platform to demonize the NRA and to advocate taking away the right to keep and bear arms, didn't you? It would have been really dumb to have voted for somebody like that, wouldn't it?

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

The Right to Bear Arms (i.e. the 2nd Amendment) was seen by our Founding Fathers as the last check against tyranny. They knew that the best line of defense against a standing army was an armed populace.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

The people who wish to preserve liberty and are capable of bearing arms are the militia.

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

The Founding Fathers believed that peaceable law abiding citizens should never have their right to bear arms be infringed upon.

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …"

Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

The fundamental purpose of the militia is to serve as a check upon a standing army, the words “well regulated” referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia have the level of equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government’s standing army.

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

Well regulated does not mean regulations. When the Constitution specifies regulations it specifically states who and what is being regulated. The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. The fundamental purpose of the militia was to serve as a check upon a standing army, the words “well regulated” referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia have the necessary equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government’s standing army. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

 

[Flash]

I alwa

I always get my political opinions from rednecks who display confederate flags on their postings. Doesn't everyone?

I show the good ole Stars and Bars to trigger you stupid Moon Bats. You fall for it all the time. Thanks for playing Moon Bat.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I alwa

I always get my political opinions from rednecks who display confederate flags on their postings. Doesn't everyone?

I show the good ole Stars and Bars to trigger you stupid Moon Bats. You fall for it all the time. Thanks for playing Moon Bat.

I do find it amusing that you spend all this time posting, and then include the Confederate flag, which may, indeed, convince Bubba and Billy Bob down in Alabama to join your ranks, if they owned a computer, and knew how to use it.

 

[Vandalshandle]

You don't need that arsenal, Earl. And you don't need a Lamborghini either. There is a speed limit and that car is designed to be driven well over it. Otherwise, it's an impractical mode of transportation.

All those locked up guns are a means to commit a mass shooting. What puts the "mass" in mass shooting? Guns like the ones you have locked up.

And calling me names does not engender any respect. You look childish, boorish and stupid. That's why you support Trump, isn't it? Birds of a feather...

I don't give a shit what you think I need. You don't get a vote.

What else you got Moon Bat?

Explain the virtues of assault weapons. Why are they necessary? Why are they good? And why should they be available to everyone?

Force multiplier...

Would you agree that small, concealable handguns are a more popular and effective means of self defense? Self defense is not cinematic. If assault weapons,were,more useful to the average gun owners, why wouldn't they all carry them? Small side arms are fully appropriate and effective as self defense weaponry.

Unless you actually live out the screenplay of Escape from New York each and every day, you're either wrapped to tight to be out and about or hope to be the hero gunslinger as read through Dirty Harry.

The Right to Bear Arms (i.e. the 2nd Amendment) was seen by our Founding Fathers as the last check against tyranny. They knew that the best line of defense against a standing army was an armed populace.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."

- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28

The people who wish to preserve liberty and are capable of bearing arms are the militia.

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."

- Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

The Founding Fathers believed that peaceable law abiding citizens should never have their right to bear arms be infringed upon.

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, WHO ARE PEACEABLE CITIZENS, from keeping their own arms; …"

Samuel Adams quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"

The fundamental purpose of the militia is to serve as a check upon a standing army, the words “well regulated” referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia have the level of equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government’s standing army.

"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops." - Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." - James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, June 8, 1789

“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." - Richard Henry Lee, Federal Farmer No. 18, January 25, 1788

Well regulated does not mean regulations. When the Constitution specifies regulations it specifically states who and what is being regulated. The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. The fundamental purpose of the militia was to serve as a check upon a standing army, the words “well regulated” referred to the necessity that the armed citizens making up the militia have the necessary equipment and training necessary to be an effective and formidable check upon the national government’s standing army. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

i think that I will wait for the Cliff Notes version to come out.

 

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So a well regulated militia would be able to own, possess and train with the technology of the day that any light infantry should own, possess and train with. Which is why they used the term arms instead of muskets. They were some pretty smart dudes.

And today that means semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns with high capacity magazines.

Any questions?