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Guess your oversimplified version didn't flesh out all the details. His argument was not about complexity, but actual digital code. And his method was to use Lyell's and Darwin's method to arrive at the argument. So to say his theory is not science is to also discredit the theory of evolution.... a classic case of trying to have your cake and eat it to. That is fine. You've made it clear you have no desire to know the REAL truth or investigate things further. You are as pathetic as people who follow religion with blind faith. The same saying that "if Jesus Christ showed up and told you Christianity was fake you wouldn't believe it" applies here. If Charles Darwin showed up and told you he made it all up, you would still cling to it. I will not waste any more time with you. It is pretty obvious you don't care to REALLY investigate what ID is all about.

My oversimplified version was Meyer himself!

You seem to think that, if I reject ID (in the same way you reject evolution, mind) I am close-minded and not willing to listen. Fine, believe what you want. If you don't think it's possible for someone to look at ID and understand what ID proponents are saying and still reject it, that's your problem, not mine.

Here's Meyer himself speaking :
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_yiUoEfCgI]Stephen Meyer describes his definition of Intelligent Design from Signature In The Cell - YouTube[/ame]

Perhaps complexity isn't the correct word. He does, however, seem to say that since we know humans can create information like we see in cells, and we do it through our intelligence, it must be an intelligence that created the cells. We don't know how it could happen undirected. That still sounds like inserting god (and really, in the end, isn't that what the intelligence must be?) where we are ignorant. Humanity doesn't understand how something happens? Must be god.

Here also is an small article which purports to refute some of Meyer's ideas from his book, Signature in the Cell. Having not read the book, I won't claim accuracy in the article. I wonder if you have read the book and can speak at all to the accuracy of the quotes used and the rebuttals given?

I said nothing of you rejecting ID. I said you were mis-informed and not willing to take the time to explore it yourself. You don't care to and you wouldn't change your mind anyway if presented with the truth.
 
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What are the mechanisms of evolution?In: Biology [In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.[1] When a population splits into smaller groups, these groups evolve independently and develop into new species. Anatomical similarities, geographical distribution of similar species and the fossil record indicate that all organisms are descended from a common ancestor through a long series of these divergence events, stretching back in a tree of life that has grown over the 3,500 million years of life on Earth.[2] ]

Regurgitating the Materialists party line does not make it anymore true. There isn't a shred of scientific evidence, in the fossil record or from a microbiological standpoint, to even come close to proving the statements above. In fact, the majority of fossil evidence goes completely against Darwins theory. This is speculation at best. The traits had to exist in the first place before they could be passed on. The is not one piece of fossil evidence that can't show gradual steps, i.e. more than 100 steps, of a species evolving into another species. Show me the photos-not the stupid drawings!!! Show me the evidence!!! There is none-just speculation based on faulty premises.

Evolution is the product of two opposing forces: processes that constantly introduce variation in traits, and processes that make particular variants become more common or rare. A trait is a particular characteristic such as eye color, height, or a behavior that is expressed when an organism's genes interact with its environment. Genes vary within populations, so organisms show heritable differences (variation) in their traits. The main cause of variation is mutation, which changes the sequence of a gene. Altered genes are then inherited by offspring. There can sometimes also be transfer of genes between species.
Two main processes cause variants to become more common or rare in a population. One is natural selection, which causes traits that aid survival and reproduction to become more common, and traits that hinder survival and reproduction to become more rare.[1][3]

Here we go again. The giraffe survived because his long neck made it easier for him to eat high hanging fruit. This is SOOOO STUPID. It is all speculation. Not a single scientific study has been done to evaluate what constitutes fitness or what trait would lend more survival than another. Nice try. Nice fairy tale.

Natural selection occurs because only a few individuals in each generation will survive, since resources are limited and organisms produce many more offspring than their environment can support. Over many generations mutations produce successive, small, random changes in traits, which are then filtered by natural selection and the beneficial changes retained. This adjusts traits so they become suited to an organism's environment: these adjustments are called adaptations.[4] Not every trait, however, is an adaptation. Another cause of evolution is genetic drift, an independent process that produces entirely random changes in how common traits are in a population. Genetic drift comes from the role that chance plays in whether a trait will be passed on to the next generation.
Evolutionary biologists document the fact that evolution occurs, and also develop and test theories that explain its causes. The study of evolutionary biology began in the mid-nineteenth century, when research into the fossil record and the diversity of living organisms convinced most scientists that species changed over time.[5][6] However, the mechanism driving these changes remained unclear until the theories of natural selection were independently proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace. In 1859, Darwin's seminal work On the Origin of Species brought the new theories of evolution by natural selection to a wide audience,[7] leading to the overwhelming acceptance of evolution among scientists.[8][9][10][11] In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis,[12] which connected the units of evolution (genes) and the mechanism of evolution (natural selection). This powerful explanatory and predictive theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, directing research and providing a unifying explanation for the history and diversity of life on Earth.[9][10][13] Evolution is therefore applied and studied in fields as diverse as ecology, psychology, paleontology, philosophy, medicine, agriculture and conservation biology.


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Wiki-what a reliable source!!!
 
Wiki, and DAWS, need to catch up!!!

This sort of undirected process has been the evolutionary dogma for the past century. In what was known as the Modern Synthesis, biological adaptation was described as resulting from blind variations resulting, for instance, from genetic rearrangements or unguided mutations. No thanks to evolution we are now beginning to understand the real version of biological adaptation. What we are seeing is an incredibly complex adaptation machine that tweaks the designs of organisms in response to environmental pressures.

It is not a simple story as there are a variety of different ways such adaptations can occur. These mechanisms, broadly labeled as epigenetic inheritance, can regulate the expression of genes as well as redesign the genes. The bottom line is that the adaptations are not unguided, they benefit the organism, and they are extremely complex. The evolutionary story is completely wrong. As one evolutionist admitted, the Modern Synthesis:


"states that variations are blind, are genetic (nucleic acid-based), and that saltational events do not significantly contribute to evolutionary change. The epigenetic perspective challenges all these assumptions, and it seems that a new extended theory, informed by developmental studies and epigenetic inheritance, and incorporating Darwinian, Lamarckian, and saltational frameworks, is going to replace the Modern Synthesis version of evolution."

Darwin's God: Here's a New Technique For Mapping DNA Information Which Exposes Yet More Evolutionary Foolishness
 
"In fact, it is impossible to construct a realistic evolutionary tree using all the data. Evolutionists routinely construct evolutionary trees using a select, more cooperative, subset of the data. And even then the resulting trees are unrealistic. That is, they require evolutionary change for which there is no known mechanism. This is true even according to evolutionists who are quite liberal in allowing for speculation.

Darwins TREE OF LIFE is history, along with your Wiki article.

Darwin's God: This Paper Discusses Problems With the Evolutionary Tree That You Didn’t Learn in Biology Class
 
"Jerry Coyne, in his polemic Why Evolution is True, scoffs at those 91 percent who find his analysis unconvincing. He writes, “True, breeders haven’t turned a cat into a dog, and laboratory studies haven’t turned a bacterium into an amoeba … but it is foolish to think that these are serious objections to natural selection.”


Of course these are, in fact, serious objections; Dr. Coyne doesn’t get to choose what data is and isn’t objectionable to others. Major speciation via undirected processes is the crux of the Darwinian narrative. If it can’t be replicated, this objection is an example of what logicians call a “defeater.” If you, an intelligent actor using skill, can’t breed a cat into a different genera, then presumably and reasonably nature can’t do this either.

Unless, of course, nature gets her a whiff of that ol’ Darwinian magic."


And yet, we are expected to believe that Natural Selection can turn a virus into a vixen if we just give it enough time.

Uncommon Descent | Jerry Coyne: The fact that a cat can’t be turned into a dog is not a serious objection to Darwinism!
 
Remember all those nice stories about the tree of life, that were based merely on speculation, but were taken as fact by the blind Darwinists. Well REAL science has just begun starting to disprove the myths...

"The study is the first genomic-scale analysis addressing the phylogenetic position of turtles, using over 1000 loci from representatives of all major reptile lineages including tuatara (lizard-like reptiles found only in New Zealand). Earlier studies of morphological traits positioned turtles at the base of the reptile tree with lizards, snakes and tuatara (lepidosaurs), whereas molecular analyses typically allied turtles with crocodiles and birds (archosaurs).

Doesn’t this raise some questions about conventional accounts of evolution? Or do we still pretend we didn’t notice?
 
More baseless speculation daws, talk about b.s. are any of you willing to step out and give me the mechanism that drives evolution ? Not a tough question after all macroevolution is a fact no ? If it is fact surely we would know the mechanism.


What are the mechanisms of evolution?In: Biology [In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.[1] When a population splits into smaller groups, these groups evolve independently and develop into new species. Anatomical similarities, geographical distribution of similar species and the fossil record indicate that all organisms are descended from a common ancestor through a long series of these divergence events, stretching back in a tree of life that has grown over the 3,500 million years of life on Earth.[2]
Evolution is the product of two opposing forces: processes that constantly introduce variation in traits, and processes that make particular variants become more common or rare. A trait is a particular characteristic such as eye color, height, or a behavior that is expressed when an organism's genes interact with its environment. Genes vary within populations, so organisms show heritable differences (variation) in their traits. The main cause of variation is mutation, which changes the sequence of a gene. Altered genes are then inherited by offspring. There can sometimes also be transfer of genes between species.
Two main processes cause variants to become more common or rare in a population. One is natural selection, which causes traits that aid survival and reproduction to become more common, and traits that hinder survival and reproduction to become more rare.[1][3] Natural selection occurs because only a few individuals in each generation will survive, since resources are limited and organisms produce many more offspring than their environment can support. Over many generations mutations produce successive, small, random changes in traits, which are then filtered by natural selection and the beneficial changes retained. This adjusts traits so they become suited to an organism's environment: these adjustments are called adaptations.[4] Not every trait, however, is an adaptation. Another cause of evolution is genetic drift, an independent process that produces entirely random changes in how common traits are in a population. Genetic drift comes from the role that chance plays in whether a trait will be passed on to the next generation.
Evolutionary biologists document the fact that evolution occurs, and also develop and test theories that explain its causes. The study of evolutionary biology began in the mid-nineteenth century, when research into the fossil record and the diversity of living organisms convinced most scientists that species changed over time.[5][6] However, the mechanism driving these changes remained unclear until the theories of natural selection were independently proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace. In 1859, Darwin's seminal work On the Origin of Species brought the new theories of evolution by natural selection to a wide audience,[7] leading to the overwhelming acceptance of evolution among scientists.[8][9][10][11] In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis,[12] which connected the units of evolution (genes) and the mechanism of evolution (natural selection). This powerful explanatory and predictive theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, directing research and providing a unifying explanation for the history and diversity of life on Earth.[9][10][13] Evolution is therefore applied and studied in fields as diverse as ecology, psychology, paleontology, philosophy, medicine, agriculture and conservation biology.


Read more: What are the mechanisms of evolution

All you had to do is look up and copy and paste the definition for the modern day theory of evolution,it's called Neo Darwinism.
another non answer freshly extracted from your dripping anal aperture!
 
What are the mechanisms of evolution?In: Biology [In biology, evolution is the change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms through successive generations.[1] When a population splits into smaller groups, these groups evolve independently and develop into new species. Anatomical similarities, geographical distribution of similar species and the fossil record indicate that all organisms are descended from a common ancestor through a long series of these divergence events, stretching back in a tree of life that has grown over the 3,500 million years of life on Earth.[2]
Evolution is the product of two opposing forces: processes that constantly introduce variation in traits, and processes that make particular variants become more common or rare. A trait is a particular characteristic such as eye color, height, or a behavior that is expressed when an organism's genes interact with its environment. Genes vary within populations, so organisms show heritable differences (variation) in their traits. The main cause of variation is mutation, which changes the sequence of a gene. Altered genes are then inherited by offspring. There can sometimes also be transfer of genes between species.
Two main processes cause variants to become more common or rare in a population. One is natural selection, which causes traits that aid survival and reproduction to become more common, and traits that hinder survival and reproduction to become more rare.[1][3] Natural selection occurs because only a few individuals in each generation will survive, since resources are limited and organisms produce many more offspring than their environment can support. Over many generations mutations produce successive, small, random changes in traits, which are then filtered by natural selection and the beneficial changes retained. This adjusts traits so they become suited to an organism's environment: these adjustments are called adaptations.[4] Not every trait, however, is an adaptation. Another cause of evolution is genetic drift, an independent process that produces entirely random changes in how common traits are in a population. Genetic drift comes from the role that chance plays in whether a trait will be passed on to the next generation.
Evolutionary biologists document the fact that evolution occurs, and also develop and test theories that explain its causes. The study of evolutionary biology began in the mid-nineteenth century, when research into the fossil record and the diversity of living organisms convinced most scientists that species changed over time.[5][6] However, the mechanism driving these changes remained unclear until the theories of natural selection were independently proposed by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace. In 1859, Darwin's seminal work On the Origin of Species brought the new theories of evolution by natural selection to a wide audience,[7] leading to the overwhelming acceptance of evolution among scientists.[8][9][10][11] In the 1930s, Darwinian natural selection was combined with Mendelian inheritance to form the modern evolutionary synthesis,[12] which connected the units of evolution (genes) and the mechanism of evolution (natural selection). This powerful explanatory and predictive theory has become the central organizing principle of modern biology, directing research and providing a unifying explanation for the history and diversity of life on Earth.[9][10][13] Evolution is therefore applied and studied in fields as diverse as ecology, psychology, paleontology, philosophy, medicine, agriculture and conservation biology.


Read more: What are the mechanisms of evolution

All you had to do is look up and copy and paste the definition for the modern day theory of evolution,it's called Neo Darwinism.
another non answer freshly extracted from your dripping anal aperture!

What question did you ask :lol:
 
A candid article where, unlike evolutionists, scientists admit do they not have all the answers instead of just making shtuff up and filling in the blanks... they actually admit they really don't have ANY answers!!!!

CEH
 
A candid article where, unlike evolutionists, scientists admit do they not have all the answers instead of just making shtuff up and filling in the blanks... they actually admit they really don't have ANY answers!!!!

CEH

FAIL! The article doesn't have anything to do with biotic evolution.
 
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