Creationists

[Youwerecreated]

If I know what significance you place on this, then: That the particulars of the beginning of process which proceeds forward in time is not known does not mean that the particulars of the output of the process cannot be known over a period of time between the beginning and the present, to a particular degree of accuracy, and in a particular scope.

If what you were thinking when you wrote it had nothing to do with that, then nevermind. But regardless of how much you dislike it, if I know the comments you are referencing, they are meant in the sense of what is described in the preceding sentence, and in that sense the origin, while obviously not having nothing to do with what comes after, is not required to know of more recent events.

I think it is very easy to accept the belief of a designer when you look at the precision is nature. How can a rational person believe that life came from an undirected process that produced complex organic molecules from simpler inorganic molecules through chemical reactions with an undirected process.

To believe an undirected process took an enviornment filled with chaos and produced the precision in nature we can now see is a stretch of the imagination.

Thank you for admitting though that there is no known process concerning the origins of life because a few of the simpletons here easily accepted abiogenesis as a fact.

Your silly "precision in nature" theory has been thoroughly debunked previously. You're reduced to dredging up tired, refuted creationist prattle.

The only thing silly is you posting in this thread being ignorant of the three main theories discussed.

 

[UltimateReality]

Meyers' propaganda is nothing more than a re-packaging of Behe's silly slogans which resolve to nothing more than "...it's complicated, therefore the gods did it".

So clueless about the book. Only a total ignoramus would make false claims about printed book which are so easily refuted. Pathetic!

You refuted nothing. The point is, Meyer makes the same nonsensical claim that Behe makes: the chances for spontaneous life are too remote to allow that life to develop.

Find yourself a street corner and thump there, rather than here.

You have presented no evidence to substantiate it is a nonsensical claim.

 

[UltimateReality]

If I know what significance you place on this, then: That the particulars of the beginning of process which proceeds forward in time is not known does not mean that the particulars of the output of the process cannot be known over a period of time between the beginning and the present, to a particular degree of accuracy, and in a particular scope.

If what you were thinking when you wrote it had nothing to do with that, then nevermind. But regardless of how much you dislike it, if I know the comments you are referencing, they are meant in the sense of what is described in the preceding sentence, and in that sense the origin, while obviously not having nothing to do with what comes after, is not required to know of more recent events.

You can pretend this, but Darwinists avoidance of Origins discussions goes deeper to the core of their religious beliefs. The origin of life cannot be explained by a purely naturalistic process and this calls into question the central dogma of the Darwinistic materialist religion. So instead, Darwinists just ignore it, thinking if they don't look at it it will go away.

No, its because abiogenesis and evolution are categorically distinct. It's that simple. One has nothing to do with the other ontologically.

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

 

[UltimateReality]

This is the core of the creationist argument: "all of science is a conspiracy".

Revisionist claim.

Not so. Science as a conspiracy theory is the tool used by Flat-Earthers to defend their gawds.

More lies. You have become totally irrelevant to this thread.

 

[UltimateReality]

I think today it is fitting to honor the Christians that originally settled this great country of ours and who suffered so that we could live freely in the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Their tireless committment to God and each other is the reason we are here today.

Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[12]

 

[Hollie]

Revisionist claim.

Not so. Science as a conspiracy theory is the tool used by Flat-Earthers to defend their gawds.

More lies. You have become totally irrelevant to this thread.

Not at all, Flat-Earther. Your conspiracy theories are what is irrelevant.

 

[Hollie]

I think today it is fitting to honor the Christians that originally settled this great country of ours and who suffered so that we could live freely in the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Their tireless committment to God and each other is the reason we are here today.

Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[12]

How nice. An opportunity for your self-serving proselytizing.

 

[Hollie]

I think it is very easy to accept the belief of a designer when you look at the precision is nature. How can a rational person believe that life came from an undirected process that produced complex organic molecules from simpler inorganic molecules through chemical reactions with an undirected process.

To believe an undirected process took an enviornment filled with chaos and produced the precision in nature we can now see is a stretch of the imagination.

Thank you for admitting though that there is no known process concerning the origins of life because a few of the simpletons here easily accepted abiogenesis as a fact.

Your silly "precision in nature" theory has been thoroughly debunked previously. You're reduced to dredging up tired, refuted creationist prattle.

The only thing silly is you posting in this thread being ignorant of the three main theories discussed.

There are not three main theories that meet the definition plausible scientific theories.

It is actually your ignorance that needs to be adressed.

 

[UltimateReality]

I think today it is fitting to honor the Christians that originally settled this great country of ours and who suffered so that we could live freely in the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Their tireless committment to God and each other is the reason we are here today.

Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[12]

How nice. An opportunity for your self-serving proselytizing.

Please explain how noting history is self-serving.

 

[Hollie]

I think today it is fitting to honor the Christians that originally settled this great country of ours and who suffered so that we could live freely in the greatest nation the world has ever seen. Their tireless committment to God and each other is the reason we are here today.

Mayflower Compact:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.[12]

How nice. An opportunity for your self-serving proselytizing.

Please explain how noting history is self-serving.

Noting history (your slanted, fundie view of history), is self-serving proselytizing when you assume that it was entirely and completely christians that settled in America.

Thumping is not appropriate in this therad.

 

[Hollie]

You can pretend this, but Darwinists avoidance of Origins discussions goes deeper to the core of their religious beliefs. The origin of life cannot be explained by a purely naturalistic process and this calls into question the central dogma of the Darwinistic materialist religion. So instead, Darwinists just ignore it, thinking if they don't look at it it will go away.

No, its because abiogenesis and evolution are categorically distinct. It's that simple. One has nothing to do with the other ontologically.

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Your silly "precision in nature" theory has been thoroughly debunked previously. You're reduced to dredging up tired, refuted creationist prattle.

The only thing silly is you posting in this thread being ignorant of the three main theories discussed.

There are not three main theories that meet the definition plausible scientific theories.

It is actually your ignorance that needs to be adressed.

There you go again showing you are an Ideologue.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Your silly "precision in nature" theory has been thoroughly debunked previously. You're reduced to dredging up tired, refuted creationist prattle.

The only thing silly is you posting in this thread being ignorant of the three main theories discussed.

There are not three main theories that meet the definition plausible scientific theories.

It is actually your ignorance that needs to be adressed.

If you say so.

 

[Youwerecreated]

How nice. An opportunity for your self-serving proselytizing.

Please explain how noting history is self-serving.

Noting history (your slanted, fundie view of history), is self-serving proselytizing when you assume that it was entirely and completely christians that settled in America.

Thumping is not appropriate in this therad.

Who is proselytizing ? the majority were Christians but now in this country the majority do believe in a creator.

 

[Youwerecreated]

No, its because abiogenesis and evolution are categorically distinct. It's that simple. One has nothing to do with the other ontologically.

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

You are in denial and there are no limits to your ignorance.

 

[HUGGY]

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

You are in denial and there are no limits to your ignorance.

I doubt any intelligent person can deny that there are a lot of some really stupid and scared people on the planet with many people such as yourself that "pray/prey" on them.

 

[Hollie]

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

You are in denial and there are no limits to your ignorance.

You’re angry because your claims to gawds and supermagicalism ring hollow and do nothing more than promote fear and ignorance.

I am continually amazed at the insistence of YEC’ers to think that their Christian fundamentalist beliefs can be applied to refute evolutionary science. I'm also amazed at the derogatory implications of the word "religion" when used by religionists in reference to evolution.

The fundies have been suffered humiliating defeats in the courts with their attempts to push Christianity into the school system. Academia has refuted creationism / IDiosy for failing to provide testable methods for supernaturalism. To say that evolution is a fact is merely acknowledging the sheer weight of testable and verifiable evidence. Christian Fundies can only counter the facts with conspiracy theories which is irresponsible in any sense. Paraphrasing Daniel Dennett in Darwin's Dangerous Idea, the hope by Christian fundies that evolution will someday be refuted by some shattering new breakthrough is about as reasonable as the hope that we will return to an earth centered universe and abandon Copernicus.

To reiterate for the Christian fundies: creation "science" / IDiocy is not science. Fundies may insist otherwise but Christian creationism / supermagicalism is a fact only to fundies. Certainly, “magic” does not deserve equal time in a public school classroom as proponents of Creationism / IDiosy would like to see.

 

[UltimateReality]

How nice. An opportunity for your self-serving proselytizing.

Please explain how noting history is self-serving.

Noting history (your slanted, fundie view of history), is self-serving proselytizing when you assume that it was entirely and completely christians that settled in America.

Thumping is not appropriate in this therad.

It's not an assumption. It's history.

 

[UltimateReality]

No, its because abiogenesis and evolution are categorically distinct. It's that simple. One has nothing to do with the other ontologically.

Just keep telling yourself that and maybe it will come true.

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

Baiting. Please don't attack others when you are not willing to provide info on your own lack of education.

 

[UltimateReality]

Had you been exposed to an education in science, you would have learned the basic concepts and fundamentals of the Theory of Evolution and its core concepts.

You are in denial and there are no limits to your ignorance.

You’re angry because your claims to gawds and supermagicalism ring hollow and do nothing more than promote fear and ignorance.

I am continually amazed at the insistence of YEC’ers to think that their Christian fundamentalist beliefs can be applied to refute evolutionary science. I'm also amazed at the derogatory implications of the word "religion" when used by religionists in reference to evolution.

The fundies have been suffered humiliating defeats in the courts with their attempts to push Christianity into the school system. Academia has refuted creationism / IDiosy for failing to provide testable methods for supernaturalism. To say that evolution is a fact is merely acknowledging the sheer weight of testable and verifiable evidence. Christian Fundies can only counter the facts with conspiracy theories which is irresponsible in any sense. Paraphrasing Daniel Dennett in Darwin's Dangerous Idea, the hope by Christian fundies that evolution will someday be refuted by some shattering new breakthrough is about as reasonable as the hope that we will return to an earth centered universe and abandon Copernicus.

To reiterate for the Christian fundies: creation "science" / IDiocy is not science. Fundies may insist otherwise but Christian creationism / supermagicalism is a fact only to fundies. Certainly, “magic” does not deserve equal time in a public school classroom as proponents of Creationism / IDiosy would like to see.

Please try to stay on topic.