Creationists

[Hollie]

My presuppositions changed over time. You are where I once was. I don't speak for God I do however offer my opinions.

You state your opinions as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the gawds which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, bible thumping caricature of the silly TV power preacher.

You see I have beliefs that are based in faith and some that are based on observed facts.

You see you do the same thing. Many of your views here are based in faith but you're not willing to admit it,but some of them are not based on scientific fact. You believe there is no God but what do you base that view on ? you are probably gonna say because there is no evidence but what is your evidence for naturalism that everything arrived here naturally ?

Your comments are typically presumptuous as I have no faith in any human construct of gawds.

The evidence for naturalism is that there is nothing supernatural about existence. Your need to add a supernatural component to existence (you call this thing gawds), is unnecessary. You still, after pages upon pages of text have yet to define a single instance of something in existence that can be described as supernatural.

You only see "design" from a particular, partisan gawd because it appeals to the particular religious dogma that was a part of American culture. Let's he honest, if you had been Bern in the Middle East, you would be the "allahu akbar" screaming Loon we see on TV.

 

[UltimateReality]

funny how "ur" detective douche bag will bring up "Work" when his ass is in a crack...

Kind of like you are running and ducking for cover now. I'll be lucky if I hear from you in 8 or 10 hours until the shame wears off of you.

You are turning into bigger and bigger of a douchebag. I've been reading your "discourse" with Daws. You are a most unpleasant person, UR. I would have thought that the power of christ would have "cured" that.

So you do believe Christ exists!

But that behavior is not from Christ. Its from years in law enforcement. You meet people where they are at. I'm just a mirror.

 

[Hollie]

It really comes down to this,do you believe everything we see is the result of an undirected process or a process that has been guided with purpose in mind.

I can't force someone to agree with me, nor can you force me to agree that everything just happened through errors and mistakes and that it was undirected.

Somewhere in our thought process we should be able to answer the question through common sense.

As is expected, your revulsion for science makes you a poor candidate to critique the science environment.

Your phony and contrived characterization that "everything just happened through errors and mistakes and that it was undirected", is just more of your refusal / inability to understand the science behind nature. Your comments simply reflect the dishonesty and real appeals to ignorance that define the Christian creationist agenda.

Here you go again down that road of rejection and insults with nothing to back your claims over mine.

Nonsense. The science supporting evolution, an immensely old universe and immense distances that separate the stars, galaxies, etc. is not in question among the relevant science community. It is Christian fundamentalists who float conspiracy theories about a 6000 year old earth and Arks, global floods, etc that have been refuted and relegated to absurdities.

What is truly a shame is that you continue to spew creationist lies and falsehoods even after repeatedly being exposed for maliciously furthering those lies and falsehoods.

It really is quite an indictment of Christian fundies that they continue to ignore their dishonesty and to continue their program of lies and deceit.

 

[Youwerecreated]

You state your opinions as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the gawds which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, bible thumping caricature of the silly TV power preacher.

You see I have beliefs that are based in faith and some that are based on observed facts.

You see you do the same thing. Many of your views here are based in faith but you're not willing to admit it,but some of them are not based on scientific fact. You believe there is no God but what do you base that view on ? you are probably gonna say because there is no evidence but what is your evidence for naturalism that everything arrived here naturally ?

Your comments are typically presumptuous as I have no faith in any human construct of gawds.

The evidence for naturalism is that there is nothing supernatural about existence. Your need to add a supernatural component to existence (you call this thing gawds), is unnecessary. You still, after pages upon pages of text have yet to define a single instance of something in existence that can be described as supernatural.

You only see "design" from a particular, partisan gawd because it appeals to the particular religious dogma that was a part of American culture. Let's he honest, if you had been Bern in the Middle East, you would be the "allahu akbar" screaming Loon we see on TV.

Ok try this on for size. I was watching a show the other day where many scientists from SETI believe when we discover life out there in space that this life ,our cosmic relatives,would be made of silica and steel. Is that a view based in faith and a vivid imagination or scientific fact ? Let's be honest hollie they are doing the same thing with many of the theories you have pasted here on this thread. They have this view because life as we know it can't exist out there because of the conditions. Is that not circular reasoning ? and avd imagination at work ? they even said they would be machines,would these machines be a product of design or a natural process in which they formed ?

 

[Hollie]

Kind of like you are running and ducking for cover now. I'll be lucky if I hear from you in 8 or 10 hours until the shame wears off of you.

You are turning into bigger and bigger of a douchebag. I've been reading your "discourse" with Daws. You are a most unpleasant person, UR. I would have thought that the power of christ would have "cured" that.

So you do believe Christ exists!

But that behavior is not from Christ. Its from years in law enforcement. You meet people where they are at. I'm just a mirror.

So you acknowledge being a... (what he said).

It's just not your fault. It's everyone else's fault. They made you do it. You're not responsible for your... oh hell... douche'baggery.

"The gawds did it".

 

[UltimateReality]

As with all of your baseless claims to the gawds, you lead your argument with presumptions and presuppositions.

As with all of your statements, you claim 'plenty of reasons" for the existence of your gawds but you never manage to provide anything more than "because I say so.".

These designer gawds of yours are always absent any validation except in your wants and desires.

Refutation of your claim that I have not personally met my creator/ designer gawds is a simple matter. I had them over for dinner last night. They had two servings of meatloaf.

They asked that I pass on to you that you are to stop presuming that you are the gawds spokesman on earth...or else.

My presuppositions changed over time. You are where I once was. I don't speak for God I do however offer my opinions.

You state your opinions as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the gawds which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, bible thumping caricature of the silly TV power preacher.

You believe evolution as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the other darwinists which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, Christian-hating Bigots of the left wingnut media.

 

[Hollie]

You see I have beliefs that are based in faith and some that are based on observed facts.

You see you do the same thing. Many of your views here are based in faith but you're not willing to admit it,but some of them are not based on scientific fact. You believe there is no God but what do you base that view on ? you are probably gonna say because there is no evidence but what is your evidence for naturalism that everything arrived here naturally ?

Your comments are typically presumptuous as I have no faith in any human construct of gawds.

The evidence for naturalism is that there is nothing supernatural about existence. Your need to add a supernatural component to existence (you call this thing gawds), is unnecessary. You still, after pages upon pages of text have yet to define a single instance of something in existence that can be described as supernatural.

You only see "design" from a particular, partisan gawd because it appeals to the particular religious dogma that was a part of American culture. Let's he honest, if you had been Bern in the Middle East, you would be the "allahu akbar" screaming Loon we see on TV.

Ok try this on for size. I was watching a show the other day where many scientists from SETI believe when we discover life out there in space that this life ,our cosmic relatives,would be made of silica and steel. Is that a view based in faith and a vivid imagination or scientific fact ? Let's be honest hollie they are doing the same thing with many of the theories you have pasted here on this thread. They have this view because life as we know it can't exist out there because of the conditions. Is that not circular reasoning ? and avd imagination at work ? they even said they would be machines,would these machines be a product of design or a natural process in which they formed ?

"Let's be honest"? Coming from you, I can only chuckle.

Your "story" above and your relating of what you claim the participants said is suspect. Let's remember that there is so often a great variance between what you claim people have said and what they actually said.

I can recall offhand perhaps a half-dozen examples of your falsified, manufactured or altered "quotes". Your lack of ability to deal honestly with people (and your history of same) results in the presumption that if your fingers are typing, you're lying.

 

[Hollie]

My presuppositions changed over time. You are where I once was. I don't speak for God I do however offer my opinions.

You state your opinions as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the gawds which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, bible thumping caricature of the silly TV power preacher.

You believe evolution as absolute fact. You claim to know things with certainty that you don't know and couldn't possibly know.

And yes, you do presume to speak on behalf of the other darwinists which makes you appear as quite the irrational, hair-on-fire, Christian-hating Bigots of the left wingnut media.

Yet another plagiarized post by the Christian fundie.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Your comments are typically presumptuous as I have no faith in any human construct of gawds.

The evidence for naturalism is that there is nothing supernatural about existence. Your need to add a supernatural component to existence (you call this thing gawds), is unnecessary. You still, after pages upon pages of text have yet to define a single instance of something in existence that can be described as supernatural.

You only see "design" from a particular, partisan gawd because it appeals to the particular religious dogma that was a part of American culture. Let's he honest, if you had been Bern in the Middle East, you would be the "allahu akbar" screaming Loon we see on TV.

Ok try this on for size. I was watching a show the other day where many scientists from SETI believe when we discover life out there in space that this life ,our cosmic relatives,would be made of silica and steel. Is that a view based in faith and a vivid imagination or scientific fact ? Let's be honest hollie they are doing the same thing with many of the theories you have pasted here on this thread. They have this view because life as we know it can't exist out there because of the conditions. Is that not circular reasoning ? and avd imagination at work ? they even said they would be machines,would these machines be a product of design or a natural process in which they formed ?

"Let's be honest"? Coming from you, I can only chuckle.

Your "story" above and your relating of what you claim the participants said is suspect. Let's remember that there is so often a great variance between what you claim people have said and what they actually said.

I can recall offhand perhaps a half-dozen examples of your falsified, manufactured or altered "quotes". Your lack of ability to deal honestly with people (and your history of same) results in the presumption that if your fingers are typing, you're lying.

Hate to disappoint you but it was on the H2 channel one of the universe shows.

 

[UltimateReality]

You are turning into bigger and bigger of a douchebag. I've been reading your "discourse" with Daws. You are a most unpleasant person, UR. I would have thought that the power of christ would have "cured" that.

So you do believe Christ exists!

But that behavior is not from Christ. Its from years in law enforcement. You meet people where they are at. I'm just a mirror.

So you acknowledge being a... (what he said).

It's just not your fault. It's everyone else's fault. They made you do it. You're not responsible for your... oh hell... douche'baggery.

"The gawds did it".

Hawly, here is the problem with internet forums. There is no relationship here amongst the posters. People feel free to say things they would never dream of saying to a co-worker, friend or family member, because they are not in relationship with that person. Out of human relationships, flows a God given sense of moral responsibility to behave in a certain way. I guarantee you Daws would never say the kinds of things he says here if he were facing me in person. And certainly not if we were friends or coworkers. I will also guarantee the picture you have of me from my posts here is nothing like the man I am in person. Here I am constantly being attacked, and not just me, but a belief I hold very dear to my heart is being attacked. And its anonymous, so there is no accountability. The discourse is adversarial and you intentionally attempt to frustrate posters with your repetitive nonsense hate speech so like a vampire you can feed on the negativity. Once you drive someone to responding unbecomingly, it just helps justify and re-inforce your hatred, even though you hold know personal responsibility for intentionally frustrated them to that point with your irrelevant nonsense.

When you really think about it, this forum is a huge waste of time. Everyone has proven they are right in their own mind and no one has changed even the smallest bit of their beliefs. Its a pride driven scoring system. I have schooled you so many times here I stopped keeping track, but what has that proven??? Nothing. Any poster could already see you are hopelessly out matched in this argument. So I walk away from here feeling better about myself because I could prove someone with learning disabilities wrong?? It is funny to me because pride is the main reason anyone wants to be shown to be right. But how empty that I can prove I'm right to strangers. Which brings me to my next point...

I think the smart people should realize this is for entertainment and nothing more. You, NP and Daws are prime examples that one is changing their mind, no matter how many times they are proven wrong. So I have no delusions that my posts here will change anyone's worldview.

 

[UltimateReality]

And now to reveal what has really been transpiring the last few pages of my posts: I was the first person to use the term "douche bag" here and with a somewhat devious intent which with your post has just now come to fruition. Just like clockwork, first Daws, then NP picked it up like a football and ran like crazy, using it back on me. I had to wait a bit for you Hawly, and I almost thought you were in the clear when you wouldn't spell it out, but even you fell in lockstep and copied the term. So what is my point? My point is you all are easily manipulated. If you can be that easily manipulated on an internet forum, maybe you should question what else you have been manipulated by, mainly, the materialist darwinist agenda.

Secondly, I also decided to mirror Hawlys, Daws and NP's behavior. NP called me shit for brains and I countered with excrement for neurons. Daws played the gay slur game and I came back with my own insinuations. Hawly gets mad and calls me turning her posts back on her plagurism. YWC is embarrassed that a fellow Christian is behaving in such a manner and trys to get Daws to stop responding. Finally, NP calls it out and basically says I have been a big jerk. But what has really happened here. I will tell you. NP is holding me to a higher standard than he holds himself because of my claimed belief. Neither he nor Hawly have ever called Daws out for his profanity and overall rancidness. Which brings me to the point number 2 I just proved, and that is, materialism fosters less moral behavior. Without some source of ethics, materialists hold themselves to a lower standard. It was perfectly acceptable for Daws and NP to use profanity and Hawly bigotry, but it is not for me and YWC. NP calls me out for behaving in the same manner he and Daws do.

If you really want to act like adults and have a mature discussion about science and religion, then profanity and bigoted attacks have no place here.

 

[Hollie]

So you do believe Christ exists!

But that behavior is not from Christ. Its from years in law enforcement. You meet people where they are at. I'm just a mirror.

So you acknowledge being a... (what he said).

It's just not your fault. It's everyone else's fault. They made you do it. You're not responsible for your... oh hell... douche'baggery.

"The gawds did it".

Hawly, here is the problem with internet forums. There is no relationship here amongst the posters. People feel free to say things they would never dream of saying to a co-worker, friend or family member, because they are not in relationship with that person. Out of human relationships, flows a God given sense of moral responsibility to behave in a certain way. I guarantee you Daws would never say the kinds of things he says here if he were facing me in person. And certainly not if we were friends or coworkers. I will also guarantee the picture you have of me from my posts here is nothing like the man I am in person. Here I am constantly being attacked, and not just me, but a belief I hold very dear to my heart is being attacked. And its anonymous, so there is no accountability. The discourse is adversarial and you intentionally attempt to frustrate posters with your repetitive nonsense hate speech so like a vampire you can feed on the negativity. Once you drive someone to responding unbecomingly, it just helps justify and re-inforce your hatred, even though you hold know personal responsibility for intentionally frustrated them to that point with your irrelevant nonsense.

When you really think about it, this forum is a huge waste of time. Everyone has proven they are right in their own mind and no one has changed even the smallest bit of their beliefs. Its a pride driven scoring system. I have schooled you so many times here I stopped keeping track, but what has that proven??? Nothing. Any poster could already see you are hopelessly out matched in this argument. So I walk away from here feeling better about myself because I could prove someone with learning disabilities wrong?? It is funny to me because pride is the main reason anyone wants to be shown to be right. But how empty that I can prove I'm right to strangers. Which brings me to my next point...

I think the smart people should realize this is for entertainment and nothing more. You, NP and Daws are prime examples that one is changing their mind, no matter how many times they are proven wrong. So I have no delusions that my posts here will change anyone's worldview.

Piffle.

Why would you think your nonsensical appeals to religious dogma, utterly absent verification would be taken seriously?

You are obviously clueless as to just how thoroughly and completely you and the other fundie dismantle your own arguments and destroy your own credibility. I can hardly imagine any two worse examples of vacant minded religious zealots than you and your clone accomplice.

Really, dude, you two hateful whack jobs thinking you have proven anyone wrong makes you the poster child for culling humans from the herd.

 

[Hollie]

And now to reveal what has really been transpiring the last few pages of my posts: I was the first person to use the term "douche bag" here and with a somewhat devious intent which with your post has just now come to fruition. Just like clockwork, first Daws, then NP picked it up like a football and ran like crazy, using it back on me. I had to wait a bit for you Hawly, and I almost thought you were in the clear when you wouldn't spell it out, but even you fell in lockstep and copied the term. So what is my point? My point is you all are easily manipulated. If you can be that easily manipulated on an internet forum, maybe you should question what else you have been manipulated by, mainly, the materialist darwinist agenda.

Secondly, I also decided to mirror Hawlys, Daws and NP's behavior. NP called me shit for brains and I countered with excrement for neurons. Daws played the gay slur game and I came back with my own insinuations. Hawly gets mad and calls me turning her posts back on her plagurism. YWC is embarrassed that a fellow Christian is behaving in such a manner and trys to get Daws to stop responding. Finally, NP calls it out and basically says I have been a big jerk. But what has really happened here. I will tell you. NP is holding me to a higher standard than he holds himself because of my claimed belief. Neither he nor Hawly have ever called Daws out for his profanity and overall rancidness. Which brings me to the point number 2 I just proved, and that is, materialism fosters less moral behavior. Without some source of ethics, materialists hold themselves to a lower standard. It was perfectly acceptable for Daws and NP to use profanity and Hawly bigotry, but it is not for me and YWC. NP calls me out for behaving in the same manner he and Daws do.

If you really want to act like adults and have a mature discussion about science and religion, then profanity and bigoted attacks have no place here.

How about gargantuan, pink fonts as a means of venting your emotional and sexual frustration over your creeping stalking having been outed. I guess fundie xtians promote a double standard for their pathologies.

 

[Hollie]

Hey, gather 'round everyone. The fundie xtian is going to lecture us about Christians having superior morals.

 

[daws101]

You don't even know what that Shakespeare quote means. You aren't using it in the right context. And you are trying to distract from the fact you just got outed.

I must be right !
two more false assumptions by detective Douche bag!

You would think a theater major would know how to quote Shakespeare in the right context.

another failed attempt a character assassination

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." It can be used for when anti-homosexual priests get caught having sex with male escorts or, more generally, when somebody fights against a proclivity that they, themselves, engage in.
golly! who would that be?

question: what poster constantly uses gay slurs, innuendo while insisting every one else has a twisted pov...

 

[newpolitics]

yes enzymes can be programmed that is evidence that suggests in the beginning they were programmed were not a product of naturalism. I don't buy things grow the ability over time to be a benefit to the organism through errors.

no, that is not evidence they were programmed in the beginning. It is evidence that we are extremely good at manipulating the world around us. No other conclusions can be drawn from this, without tremendous logical fallacies.

You have no evidence these chemicals evolved purposeful functions, zero evidence.

I don't need evidence for this, because I never claimed they evolved "purposeful" functions. You did.

 

[Hollie]

Ok try this on for size. I was watching a show the other day where many scientists from SETI believe when we discover life out there in space that this life ,our cosmic relatives,would be made of silica and steel. Is that a view based in faith and a vivid imagination or scientific fact ? Let's be honest hollie they are doing the same thing with many of the theories you have pasted here on this thread. They have this view because life as we know it can't exist out there because of the conditions. Is that not circular reasoning ? and avd imagination at work ? they even said they would be machines,would these machines be a product of design or a natural process in which they formed ?

"Let's be honest"? Coming from you, I can only chuckle.

Your "story" above and your relating of what you claim the participants said is suspect. Let's remember that there is so often a great variance between what you claim people have said and what they actually said.

I can recall offhand perhaps a half-dozen examples of your falsified, manufactured or altered "quotes". Your lack of ability to deal honestly with people (and your history of same) results in the presumption that if your fingers are typing, you're lying.

Hate to disappoint you but it was on the H2 channel one of the universe shows.

You're always a disappointment so don't feel bad.

The point is, we're still left with you making claims as to what others have said (or written), knowing that you have a demonstrated and consistent record of fabrication and falsification.

Very strange as we're to understand that Christian morals are superior to the immorality and questionable ethics of those dirty infidel materialists.

 

[newpolitics]

And now to reveal what has really been transpiring the last few pages of my posts: I was the first person to use the term "douche bag" here and with a somewhat devious intent which with your post has just now come to fruition. Just like clockwork, first Daws, then NP picked it up like a football and ran like crazy, using it back on me. I had to wait a bit for you Hawly, and I almost thought you were in the clear when you wouldn't spell it out, but even you fell in lockstep and copied the term. So what is my point? My point is you all are easily manipulated. If you can be that easily manipulated on an internet forum, maybe you should question what else you have been manipulated by, mainly, the materialist darwinist agenda.

Secondly, I also decided to mirror Hawlys, Daws and NP's behavior. NP called me shit for brains and I countered with excrement for neurons. Daws played the gay slur game and I came back with my own insinuations. Hawly gets mad and calls me turning her posts back on her plagurism. YWC is embarrassed that a fellow Christian is behaving in such a manner and trys to get Daws to stop responding. Finally, NP calls it out and basically says I have been a big jerk. But what has really happened here. I will tell you. NP is holding me to a higher standard than he holds himself because of my claimed belief. Neither he nor Hawly have ever called Daws out for his profanity and overall rancidness. Which brings me to the point number 2 I just proved, and that is, materialism fosters less moral behavior. Without some source of ethics, materialists hold themselves to a lower standard. It was perfectly acceptable for Daws and NP to use profanity and Hawly bigotry, but it is not for me and YWC. NP calls me out for behaving in the same manner he and Daws do.

If you really want to act like adults and have a mature discussion about science and religion, then profanity and bigoted attacks have no place here.

Who said "it is not okay"? Do whatever you want, but you will reap the consequences. Likewise, for us, or anybody. In case you haven't noticed, we are split into two teams. Usually the way it works when you are on teams, is you stick up for your teammates, while trying to beat the other team. I haven't seen you reprimand your teammates YWC and Lonestar for their behavior, which at times is sub-par. You try to make this a lovefest, where we all just "love" each other, but then you try to argue with us. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to end this discussion and make up and be friends, cool. Let's do it. But you can't want both. We are in a debate, a fight, so stop expecting niceties like a little child, and then attributing foul play to a lower moral constitution. It's such a fucking copout and excuse for you to feel superior to atheists. It is, in other words, a display of pure ego. This is the problem with christianity, it leads to the most unenlightened individuals.

You attacked Daws for his sexuality? Did I see that right?That's disgusting behavior on your part, UR, so don't sit here and try and talk about how 'materialists" are morally inferior. It is so vapid. I find it funny that you mimic our behavior, and then judge us for our behavior, but not your own. That's called being a hypocrite.

 

[daws101]

there is evidence that jesus walked this earth and was unjustly put to death.

second hand accounts of jesus are not evidence unless they can be linked to physical evidence...to this day there have been none found.. Looks like your shit outa luck on that!

prove you exist.

ooooooh.

 

[Youwerecreated]

no, that is not evidence they were programmed in the beginning. It is evidence that we are extremely good at manipulating the world around us. No other conclusions can be drawn from this, without tremendous logical fallacies.

You have no evidence these chemicals evolved purposeful functions, zero evidence.

I don't need evidence for this, because I never claimed they evolved "purposeful" functions. You did.

Then you are not following your theory close enough because everything had to evolve. Unless you believe in miracles which is what evolution would be anyways.