Daughter of Eric Garner on Baltimore riots " What other choice do we have"

[JFK_USA]

So if a person has a criminal record, they should be beaten senselessly without committing a crime, handcuffed screaming in pain, and not properly secured to be thrown around the police van to the point of spine severity and death? That's what "they deserve"?

Never said that. I simply noted the difference in outrage factor. Blacks defend their thugs. Whites don't. If the victim were white the family would likely still be pressing charges. But whites aren't going to burn down their own neighborhood in righteous indignation nor are they going to make a big stink about it in the media. Nor would it get the same media play. This is because blacks are professional victims who jump on any opportunity to demand more services from the government to cure their ills (paid for by the taxpayer of course.) They don't really care about the victim. They want free loot from both their local stores and the government.

They aren't "defending their thugs", they are defending their rights to due process and freedom from excessive force from police. If white people were getting beaten up by police and killed because of that beating and people witnessed that injustice, I would suspect they would speak out. However, things would move rather quickly because they have access to the power structure.

Black people do not have access to the power structure at the level that white people do. So when their concerns aren't being dealt with, they will react to it with destruction. Because you can't ignore destruction.

More whites are killed by cops than blacks....

Whites are 66% of the population at least, blacks are 12%. So yeah, There would likely be more by the numbers

But there's supposed to be an epidemic of police officers offing blacks. How come numbers dont reflect that?

Because you can't understand percentages.

 

[Publius1787]

Nice. They would burn down a city to reap "justice" for this guy? They really do love their thugs. If he were white, all of the white folks would have simply said "good riddens."

• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

So if a person has a criminal record, they should be beaten senselessly without committing a crime, handcuffed screaming in pain, and not properly secured to be thrown around the police van to the point of spine severity and death? That's what "they deserve"?

Never said that. I simply noted the difference in outrage factor. Blacks defend their thugs. Whites don't. If the victim were white the family would likely still be pressing charges. But whites aren't going to burn down their own neighborhood in righteous indignation nor are they going to make a big stink about it in the media. Nor would it get the same media play. This is because blacks are professional victims who jump on any opportunity to demand more services from the government to cure their ills (paid for by the taxpayer of course.) They don't really care about the victim. They want free loot from both their local stores and the government.

They aren't "defending their thugs", they are defending their rights to due process and freedom from excessive force from police. If white people were getting beaten up by police and killed because of that beating and people witnessed that injustice, I would suspect they would speak out. However, things would move rather quickly because they have access to the power structure.

Black people do not have access to the power structure at the level that white people do. So when their concerns aren't being dealt with, they will react to it with destruction. Because you can't ignore destruction.

More whites are killed by cops than blacks....

Whites are 66% of the population at least, blacks are 12%. So yeah, There would likely be more by the numbers

Finally we have someone arguing the facts as per percentage of the population. Now if we can only get them to do the same on violent crime and we'd be golden. The Color of Crime Second Expanded Edition 2005 The Color of Crime

• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.

Crime Rates

• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Interracial Crime

• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Forty-five percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes against whites than vice versa.

Gangs

• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs. Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.

Incarceration

• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139 to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39 million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are three times more likely.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Riots are the voice of the unheard, not saying the riots are justified but they do not just happen for no reason.

And the reason is blind stupidity.
The Police may very well have killed a young man, so let's all go out and steal some shit and burn our nieghbors cars and locally owned businesses and senior centers to the ground. Yeah...real fucking smart.
Rioting against the police is one thing, burning and stealing from your own neighborhood is just plain stupid.

 

[Rocko]

Never said that. I simply noted the difference in outrage factor. Blacks defend their thugs. Whites don't. If the victim were white the family would likely still be pressing charges. But whites aren't going to burn down their own neighborhood in righteous indignation nor are they going to make a big stink about it in the media. Nor would it get the same media play. This is because blacks are professional victims who jump on any opportunity to demand more services from the government to cure their ills (paid for by the taxpayer of course.) They don't really care about the victim. They want free loot from both their local stores and the government.

They aren't "defending their thugs", they are defending their rights to due process and freedom from excessive force from police. If white people were getting beaten up by police and killed because of that beating and people witnessed that injustice, I would suspect they would speak out. However, things would move rather quickly because they have access to the power structure.

Black people do not have access to the power structure at the level that white people do. So when their concerns aren't being dealt with, they will react to it with destruction. Because you can't ignore destruction.

More whites are killed by cops than blacks....

Whites are 66% of the population at least, blacks are 12%. So yeah, There would likely be more by the numbers

But there's supposed to be an epidemic of police officers offing blacks. How come numbers dont reflect that?

Because you can't understand percentages.

The numbers show police kill more blacks per capita than whites, yes, but who commits more crime? Futhermore how can we say it's an Epiemic when less than 2% of all black killings are committed by police officers??????????

 

[ClosedCaption]

Does anybody have any statistical evidence that the police are murdering blacks at an alarming rate? Statistical not anecdotal

No one is waiting until you, a white dude, gets alarmed while we, black people get killed.

Whether or not you're alarmed doesnt matter and if you believe it or not also doesnt matter

How many unarmed black people have to be killed by police for it to become alarming? Is the number for black people different than the number for white people?

Well police do kill 2 times as many white people than they kill blacks. Should I as a white man be outraged?

Yes

Rocko is trying the old "I dont care soooooo neither should you" routine.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Does anybody have any statistical evidence that the police are murdering blacks at an alarming rate? Statistical not anecdotal

No one is waiting until you, a white dude, gets alarmed while we, black people get killed.

Whether or not you're alarmed doesnt matter and if you believe it or not also doesnt matter

In other words you can't prove it's a problem. As I expected.

Correction: I cannot prove to YOU that it is a problem. Maybe because you dont see it as one and I do.

Should I wait until you tell me how to feel?

Yeah, well no

 

[Camp]

Here you go....more whites are killed by police.....

Talk show host Police kill more whites than blacks PunditFact

However, even the incomplete figures gathered by the government tell us that Medved could be partially correct and still ignore a huge piece of the picture. Yes, more whites than blacks die as a result of an encounter with police, but whites also represent a much bigger chunk of the total population.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

Interest article. The claim of the talk show guy is accurate but ignores a few important facts. 63% or the population is white and 12% is black. Chances of a black being killed is over 300% greater if you are black. More whites get killed because there are way more whites to kill.

Not bad for a population (12%) that commits 50% of the nations murders.

The numbers change when you give less importance to race and bring Socio-Economic factors into play. You method compares young adults at Ivy League Colleges to young adults living in crime infested ghettos. Take the college kids out of the equation and only count the wrong side of the track and trailer park kids and watch what happens.

 

[Publius1787]

Here you go....more whites are killed by police.....

Talk show host Police kill more whites than blacks PunditFact

However, even the incomplete figures gathered by the government tell us that Medved could be partially correct and still ignore a huge piece of the picture. Yes, more whites than blacks die as a result of an encounter with police, but whites also represent a much bigger chunk of the total population.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

Interest article. The claim of the talk show guy is accurate but ignores a few important facts. 63% or the population is white and 12% is black. Chances of a black being killed is over 300% greater if you are black. More whites get killed because there are way more whites to kill.

Not bad for a population (12%) that commits 50% of the nations murders.

The numbers change when you give less importance to race and bring Socio-Economic factors into play. You method compares young adults at Ivy League Colleges to young adults living in crime infested ghettos. Take the college kids out of the equation and only count the wrong side of the track and trailer park kids and watch what happens.

Indeed, they do. but still, there are more poor whites than blacks and whites don't commit murder at the black rate.

 

[Camp]

Here you go....more whites are killed by police.....

Talk show host Police kill more whites than blacks PunditFact

However, even the incomplete figures gathered by the government tell us that Medved could be partially correct and still ignore a huge piece of the picture. Yes, more whites than blacks die as a result of an encounter with police, but whites also represent a much bigger chunk of the total population.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

Interest article. The claim of the talk show guy is accurate but ignores a few important facts. 63% or the population is white and 12% is black. Chances of a black being killed is over 300% greater if you are black. More whites get killed because there are way more whites to kill.

Not bad for a population (12%) that commits 50% of the nations murders.

The numbers change when you give less importance to race and bring Socio-Economic factors into play. You method compares young adults at Ivy League Colleges to young adults living in crime infested ghettos. Take the college kids out of the equation and only count the wrong side of the track and trailer park kids and watch what happens.

Indeed, they do. but still, there are more poor whites than blacks and whites don't commit murder at the black rate.

That is because percentage wise, blacks have a larger percentage of their population living in oppressive economic conditions. Those conditions force them to live in much more dangerous communities. The suburbs are safer than the inner city. If you only include blacks that live in the suburbs in homes where the median income is met, the numbers between black and white balance out percentage wise. Color of skin has nothing to do with it other than the contribution it makes towards determining socio economic status.

 

[Publius1787]

Here you go....more whites are killed by police.....

Talk show host Police kill more whites than blacks PunditFact

However, even the incomplete figures gathered by the government tell us that Medved could be partially correct and still ignore a huge piece of the picture. Yes, more whites than blacks die as a result of an encounter with police, but whites also represent a much bigger chunk of the total population.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.


Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

Interest article. The claim of the talk show guy is accurate but ignores a few important facts. 63% or the population is white and 12% is black. Chances of a black being killed is over 300% greater if you are black. More whites get killed because there are way more whites to kill.

Not bad for a population (12%) that commits 50% of the nations murders.

The numbers change when you give less importance to race and bring Socio-Economic factors into play. You method compares young adults at Ivy League Colleges to young adults living in crime infested ghettos. Take the college kids out of the equation and only count the wrong side of the track and trailer park kids and watch what happens.

Indeed, they do. but still, there are more poor whites than blacks and whites don't commit murder at the black rate.

That is because percentage wise, blacks have a larger percentage of their population living in oppressive economic conditions. Those conditions force them to live in much more dangerous communities. The suburbs are safer than the inner city. If you only include blacks that live in the suburbs in homes where the median income is met, the numbers between black and white balance out percentage wise. Color of skin has nothing to do with it other than the contribution it makes towards determining socio economic status.

But culture does. And black poor culture promotes violence more than white poor culture. If poverty is the factor that drives 12% of the population to commit 50% of the nations murders, then why isn't 70% of the population with many more poor keeping up?

 

[deltex1]

Here's what Freddy chose to do....



FREDDY GRAY S ARREST RECORD Here s The Rap Sheet Of The Dude They re Destroying Baltimore Over Doug Giles ClashDaily

Nice. They would burn down a city to reap "justice" for this guy? They really do love their thugs. If he were white, all of the white folks would have simply said "good riddens."

• March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance

• March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault

• January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing

• January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute

• December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute

• December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing

• January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana

• September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape

• April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation

• July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute

• March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute

• February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation

• August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana

• August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance

• July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

So if a person has a criminal record, they should be beaten senselessly without committing a crime, handcuffed screaming in pain, and not properly secured to be thrown around the police van to the point of spine severity and death? That's what "they deserve"?

No...but don't treat him like he's Barack Obama...one to be beatified.

 

[Katzndogz]

If she wants a bunch of free shit there is no choice. Gotta steal.

 

[OnePercenter]

It's all the fault of white people for not giving blacks more affirmative action jobs and better schools. Like president nixon once said - We blame the riots on everything but the rioters.

Fitting that you quote Nixon, the guy that opened the border to product dumping and began the beginning of the end to US manufacturing, then wonders why we don't blame the rioters.

 

[Oldstyle]

How exactly does looting a liquor store give "voice" to anyone? Using a man's death as an excuse to steal is about as low as it gets. These are the same scum that loot after natural disasters like hurricanes.

Yes, there are rotten apples in every barrel. Some are seeing an opportunity to steal, burn building and cars, and other uncalled for acts. But, others are protesting the death of a man, while the man was in police custody. Everyone is not looting.

Enough people ARE looting that they've been forced to call in the National Guard. This is a recurring scenario. That the Mayor of Baltimore thought giving protesters space to destroy would calm things down simply illustrates how naive some of our leaders are.

And, in my opinion, if cops aren't held accountable for their actions, things are going to get a lot worse. I would encourage citizens to speak up and be counted on this issue. It's been a problem for way too long.

How exactly are the Police supposed to be "held accountable" for their actions before an investigation has taken place? I'm sorry, Sonny...but looting and burning a city down before the legal process has even started is ridiculous. Let the legal system do it's thing and THEN if you're unhappy with the result...protest. What's happened in Baltimore isn't a protest over an injustice...it's injustice that's being done by scum taking advantage of a situation to loot and commit violent acts.

If you think that throwing bottles at the Police is going to "fix" things between the Police and the black community then all I can do is wish you well with that! I think it's idiotic. You've got a black Mayor...you've got a black Chief of Police. This isn't Selma, Alabama in the sixties.

In the first place, cops are investigated by their own, and not by an independent outside agency. We saw what happened in Ferguson. Who investigated Mr. Wilson? When have members of law enforcement investigating members of law enforcement, what do you think the outcome will be? When have the Department of Justice, local and state investigators, doing the investigating, what is going to be the outcome 99% of the time? If you were suspected of a crime, do you think the legal system would let your family and friends do the investigating? Do cops rat cops out?

Justice is when evidence is presented, examined by someone without a dog in the fight, and presented for review and critique by a jury. If your brother does the investigating, how likely are you to be convicted based on the evidence? To answer your question: "How exactly are the Police supposed to be "held accountable" for their actions before an investigation has taken place?". No one should be held accountable until evidence shows wrong doing, no one, period. So, did Mr. Gray have his day in court? Did Mr. Brown have his day in court? Did the 12 year old boy that was gunned down in the park have his day in court? Did the 92 year old woman in Austell Georgia have her day in court? Did the man walking up the stairs to his apartment in New York have his day in court? Did the man shot 8 times in the back have his day in court?

How many cops are arrested and tried in a court of law? How many cops are investigated by an independent outside agency? How many cops are in our prisons and jails? How many families have been paid off by cities after it was determined that an injustice has been done? How many times has John Q. Public been given a desk job while awaiting a hearing into possible wrong-doing? How many times has John Q. Public been given a paid vacation after committing wrong-doing?

Yes, burning buildings and cars, looting, and property damage should be punished, I totally agree. But, by the same token, and using the same logic, shouldn't the cops involved be in jail awaiting trial? Shouldn't the city detain the cops until a trial is conducted? Wouldn't you and I be detained if someone in our custody was injured, and later died from those injuries? After all, we detain citizens all the time based merely on suspicion of wrong-doing. Some citizens are held for as long as a year before going to trial. Why don't we do the same to cops? Are we not suppose to have equal justice under the law? Or, do we have one set of laws for cops, and one set of laws for everyone else?

Did you seriously just suggest that Police officers be locked up in jail until a trial determines that they are innocent when a shooting occurs? I mean, SERIOUSLY, Sonny?

Look there are bad cop shootings just as there are doctors that commit malpractice. This notion however that most cops don't follow the law and don't care about people's rights has about as much basis in reality as a notion that most doctors only care about money and could care less about their patients.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

You see folks, the people in this country of all (colors, race and nationality) has bent over backwards to try and give black people a hand up. How long has Affirmative Action been in Place? yet it's STILL OUR FAULT .

do you get tired of it?

We've had AA for 45 years. 45 years of special treatment for blacks and persecution of whites - and it hasn't even worked!!! Blacks have made no progress in that time. On top of that blacks collect welfare at 5 times the rate of whites. That's the govt stat anyway. I bet it's more like 10 times.

Black failure is their own fault.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Huge development has just been exposed on the internet. Freddie had a pre-existing back problem and had had surgery on it just a few weeks earlier!! If true this changes everything.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

[
Rioting against the police is one thing, burning and stealing from your own neighborhood is just plain stupid.

I have little doubt that most of the looters are outsiders and they are thus not fouling their own nest. They're stealing from other blacks but not their friends and neighbors.

 

[bodecea]

Here's what Freddy chose to do....



FREDDY GRAY S ARREST RECORD Here s The Rap Sheet Of The Dude They re Destroying Baltimore Over Doug Giles ClashDaily

He should have been put down long ago

That's why there was white boyz to help them....

 

[deltex1]

All I have heard from the TV press is that Freddy "made eye contact" with police...and ran. Maybe he was chasing his rap sheet in the wind...

 

[Judicial review]

We can't afford to keep treating large segments of our adult population like irresponsible children.

If they dont want to work or educate themselves they aren't adults as ND will be treated as children.