December 7th Never Forget

[M14 Shooter]

Ever heard of FDR’s favorite naval vessel? Thought so.
Isn't it curious that FDR's favorite Navy ship, the USS Indianapolis, was ordered to leave Pearl Harbor less than 48 hours before the attack,

If this is the level of "proof" you have, you may as well give up now.

 

[M14 Shooter]

It was known to army intelligence. The prediction was for a week earlier, November 30, 1941.

Cite/copy/paste.

 

[gipper]

Says the guy who knows he cannot prove his claim.

I’m really sorry you’re incapable of reading.

 

[Mac-7]

Yes! Never forget that FDR set up the event and knew it was coming, but refused to warn commanders and afterward scapegoated them.

I dont believe that

What I do believe is that our government is every bit as incompetent as it appears to be

 

[gipper]

I dont believe that

What I do believe is that our government is every bit as incompetent as it appears to be

Believe it. Once you research all aspects of the event, it becomes clear.

 

[Ralph Norton]

Proven. Just read it, if you can.

Yes, anything written by Jacob G. Hornberger (who has a B.A. in economics and a law degree) should be taken as absolute fact.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I’m really sorry you’re incapable of reading.

Cite/copy/paste.
Oh wait. You can't. Because your claim cannot be proven.
False claims are like that.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Believe it. Once you research all aspects of the event,

Cite/copy/paste your proof.

 

[gipper]

Yes, anything written by Jacob G. Hornberger (who has a B.A. in economics and a law degree) should be taken as absolute fact.

Yeah because he’s the only one who knows the truth, but only in your small mind.

 

[Unkotare]

I dont believe that

What I do believe is that our government is every bit as incompetent as it appears to be

fdr was more than just incompetent. He was also a vile wannabe dictator who cared nothing for any human life, American or not.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Cite/copy/paste.

Look it up yourself.
Or just watch Tora! Tora! Tora!

 

[M14 Shooter]

Look it up yourself.

Got nuthin' eh?
Thought not.
Thanks.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Got nuthin' eh?
Thought not.
Thanks.

I just gave you a source.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

How much is your boss paying you to troll and post lies liars,those two books are very well documented and proven true you stupid fuck lying troll.

again how much money is your boss paying you to troll these boards trollboy?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Unfortunately many Americans refuse to believe their government has a long history of heinous, unjust, and murderous actions even though it’s evident. Many want to cling to the lies told them in government schools. Unfortunately this allows the ruling class to continue these evil acts perpetually.

the UNDERSTATAMENT of the century,.stupid fucks like the one you been talking to dont give a shit about what high ranking whisleblowers in the military said back then that did not go along with the version of the governments,they just want to cling on and desperately believe what they were told in our corrupt school system because the truth is too frightful for them to handle how they were lied to their entire lives.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Lol. Man up pussy. Accept the truth.

this is what he has done on this entire thread when unable to counter the facts in those two books-

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Here’s a good column that will help alleviate your ignorance.

Roosevelt’s Infamy​

Eighty-one years ago today, Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. The attack killed 2,335 military personnel and 68 civilians. It also damaged or destroyed 19 U.S. Navy ships, including 8 battleships. December 7, 1941, was, President Franklin Roosevelt stated, a “date that would live in infamy.”

What will also live in infamy is that Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack the United States, so that he could achieve his objective of embroiling the United States in World War II.

Even since the attack on Pearl Harbor, there has been a running controversy over whether Roosevelt knew that the attack on Pearl was imminent and turned a blind eye to it. Regardless of how one comes out on that controversy, it is beyond any reasonable doubt that Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack the United States. Why, even some Roosevelt apologists praise him for this, arguing that he was a far-sighted statesman who saved America and the world from a Nazi takeover.

FDR was a crafty politician, one who was a master of political intrigue and manipulation. When he was running for an unprecedented third term in 1940, he said, “And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”

Roosevelt was lying. In fact, he was doing everything he could to embroil the United States in the European war.

When Roosevelt made that statement, he knew that he was playing to the overwhelming sentiment of the American people. Having experienced the disaster of World War I, Americans wanted no part of a second world war. Roosevelt knew that. He also knew that if he disclosed that he wanted the United States to get embroiled in the war, he stood a good chance of losing the election. To guarantee his reelection, he felt he had to lie.

Why didn’t Roosevelt simply send his army to attack Nazi Germany? After all, that’s what American presidents do today when they perceive a foreign threat. The answer is that this was still a period of time when U.S. presidents complied with the declaration-of-war requirement in the Constitution. It prohibits the president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress.

Given the overwhelming anti-interventionist sentiment among the American people, FDR knew that he would never be able to get Congress to issue a declaration of war against Nazi Germany, unless Germany were to attack first. In that case, he knew that a congressional declaration of war would come easily.

FDR began his machinations by doing everything he could to provoke the Germans into attacking U.S. vessels in the Atlantic. In that way, he could exclaim, “We’ve been attacked! Now, give me my declaration of war!” But the Nazi regime knew what FDR was up to and refused to take the bait.

That was when Roosevelt turned to the Pacific, in the hope that a Japanese attack on the United States would give him a “back door” to the war against Germany.

That’s what FDR’s oil embargo against Japan was all about. Japan had invaded China and was occupying the country. Its war machine necessarily depended on a continuous supply of oil. The purpose of FDR’s embargo was to prevent Japan from acquiring that badly needed oil.

FDR’s oil embargo was remarkably successful. It maneuvered Japan into a position of having to make a choice: Either invade the Dutch East Indies to secure its oil supplies or meekly withdraw its military forces from China. (As an aside, it’s worth mentioning that more recently, U.S. officials, operating through NATO, maneuvered Russia into having to make a similar choice: Either accept Ukraine’s membership in NATO, which would enable the Pentagon to station its nuclear missiles and troops along Russia’s border, or invade Ukraine to prevent that from happening.)

Not surprisingly, Japan decided to invade the Dutch East Indies rather than withdraw from China. But Japan knew that the invasion stood the risk of the U.S. Navy interfering with its operations in the Dutch East Indies. That was what the attack on Pearl Harbor was for — to knock out the U.S. Pacific fleet so that Japan would have a free hand in securing those oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

PLEASE READ IT ALL AT THE LINK…..

Roosevelt’s Infamy – The Future of Freedom Foundation

always fun watching you hand the FDR apologists asses to them on a platter checkmating them.

 

[gipper]

always fun watching you hand the FDR apologists asses to them on a platter checkmating them.

It seems when we have these debates about FDR knowing of the attack on Pearl Harbor, it is conservatives who adamantly refuse to believe it. These same cons believe O, Hill, dumb Joe, and other living D politicians are corrupt MFers. Somehow they can’t accept that FDR was no different.

 

[otto105]

Here’s a good column that will help alleviate your ignorance.

Roosevelt’s Infamy​

Eighty-one years ago today, Japanese forces attacked Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. The attack killed 2,335 military personnel and 68 civilians. It also damaged or destroyed 19 U.S. Navy ships, including 8 battleships. December 7, 1941, was, President Franklin Roosevelt stated, a “date that would live in infamy.”

What will also live in infamy is that Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack the United States, so that he could achieve his objective of embroiling the United States in World War II.

Even since the attack on Pearl Harbor, there has been a running controversy over whether Roosevelt knew that the attack on Pearl was imminent and turned a blind eye to it. Regardless of how one comes out on that controversy, it is beyond any reasonable doubt that Roosevelt wanted the Japanese to attack the United States. Why, even some Roosevelt apologists praise him for this, arguing that he was a far-sighted statesman who saved America and the world from a Nazi takeover.

FDR was a crafty politician, one who was a master of political intrigue and manipulation. When he was running for an unprecedented third term in 1940, he said, “And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.”

Roosevelt was lying. In fact, he was doing everything he could to embroil the United States in the European war.

When Roosevelt made that statement, he knew that he was playing to the overwhelming sentiment of the American people. Having experienced the disaster of World War I, Americans wanted no part of a second world war. Roosevelt knew that. He also knew that if he disclosed that he wanted the United States to get embroiled in the war, he stood a good chance of losing the election. To guarantee his reelection, he felt he had to lie.

Why didn’t Roosevelt simply send his army to attack Nazi Germany? After all, that’s what American presidents do today when they perceive a foreign threat. The answer is that this was still a period of time when U.S. presidents complied with the declaration-of-war requirement in the Constitution. It prohibits the president from waging war without first securing a declaration of war from Congress.

Given the overwhelming anti-interventionist sentiment among the American people, FDR knew that he would never be able to get Congress to issue a declaration of war against Nazi Germany, unless Germany were to attack first. In that case, he knew that a congressional declaration of war would come easily.

FDR began his machinations by doing everything he could to provoke the Germans into attacking U.S. vessels in the Atlantic. In that way, he could exclaim, “We’ve been attacked! Now, give me my declaration of war!” But the Nazi regime knew what FDR was up to and refused to take the bait.

That was when Roosevelt turned to the Pacific, in the hope that a Japanese attack on the United States would give him a “back door” to the war against Germany.

That’s what FDR’s oil embargo against Japan was all about. Japan had invaded China and was occupying the country. Its war machine necessarily depended on a continuous supply of oil. The purpose of FDR’s embargo was to prevent Japan from acquiring that badly needed oil.

FDR’s oil embargo was remarkably successful. It maneuvered Japan into a position of having to make a choice: Either invade the Dutch East Indies to secure its oil supplies or meekly withdraw its military forces from China. (As an aside, it’s worth mentioning that more recently, U.S. officials, operating through NATO, maneuvered Russia into having to make a similar choice: Either accept Ukraine’s membership in NATO, which would enable the Pentagon to station its nuclear missiles and troops along Russia’s border, or invade Ukraine to prevent that from happening.)

Not surprisingly, Japan decided to invade the Dutch East Indies rather than withdraw from China. But Japan knew that the invasion stood the risk of the U.S. Navy interfering with its operations in the Dutch East Indies. That was what the attack on Pearl Harbor was for — to knock out the U.S. Pacific fleet so that Japan would have a free hand in securing those oil supplies in the Dutch East Indies.

PLEASE READ IT ALL AT THE LINK…..

Roosevelt’s Infamy – The Future of Freedom Foundation

You’re moving the goalposts here. Yes, FDR thought war with Germany and Japan was inevitable and was working to limit Japanese aggression in the Pacific. Any US leader worth his office would have done that.

It’s a huge and false leap to claim that FDR knew of the Pearl Harbor attack just let it happen. If FDR knew of the attack and sent the US fleet to engage the Japanese Fleet that would have meant war and made him a greater president than history judges him today.

The conservative claims of before hand knowledge defy logic and are made to tarnish the reputation of a great president.

 

[Unkotare]

.... the reputation of a great president.

You mean a wannabe dictator scumbag.