DEEP STATE WATCH: The Coming Coup...

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If you're done snarking around. Lemme explain the Deep State. It's a term of art used by America's Intel agencies themselves. And EVERY Civil Libertarian (not many left outside the ACLU and the Libertarian Party) knows the DANGERS of that massive section of govt that flies under radar, has little or NO oversight, eats big CHUNKS of the DOD budget without even being mentioned by name. MOST CONGRESS critters can't trace the funding because it's classified at levels too high for them to investigate.

The employees in this section govt are not subject to the results of elections. And neither are their missions. They CONTINUE the same programs and operations REGARDLESS of who takes electoral power.

Don't take my word for it. Bill Moyers laid it out best. And Bill Moyers never was a conspiracy guy or a tin foil hat wearer.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 million to keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

You morons on the left who have lost all FEAR of an omnipotent govt, laughed off Snowden. Called him a traitor. Attack whistleblowers who attack the govt you worship now. You have had your sense of self-preservation of Civil Liberties and control of your govt bred right the fuck out of you.

But what you've been arguing (badly in fact) about FISA courts and evidence from collection and archiving systems that get their rare chance to go public ---- IS the "Deep State" in action. Its behind 60% of this Russia Russia Russia thing. And you NOW HAVE Deep State star actors acting as "analysts" on your primary sources of information like CNN and MSNBC ---- arguing their asses off to avoid the cuffs and the perp walk. It's all front and center in front of your fact-checker damaged brains. And you STILL are yucking it all up as a conspiracy.

This, this, and this.

If you want to feel like you've fallen down the Rabbit Hole and emerged in some bizarre world, go on Twitter and witness harebrained leftists (pun intended) falling all over themselves to "thank the FBI for their service". Yes, the nation's most powerful COPS.

Dummies.
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

The Deep State is a giant chamber a mile under the Arizona desert. A bi-partisan leadership team of Hillary, Obama, Comey, Rosentein, Mueller and a team of thousands monitor above ground activity 24/7/365 :)

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Here’s an idea....fire the deep state people. Or does anyone else think, like I do, that the value of having a mythical enemy at the gates is that you get to blame all of the shortcomings on them?
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

I concede nothing and your points are as ridiculous as most of Donald's conspiratorial tweets. Do you have ANY idea who signed off on dozens of FISA warrants and painstaking reviews? Four different judges - ALL appointed by Republicans.

Look, there was plenty of good reason to take a hard look at Goofy Goober Page and it went far beyond the Dossier. The warrant also covers (too much detail for our own good- these warrants should never go public) each of these steps in meticulous detail. I've seen half a dozen REPUBLICANS admit it including Richard Burr. Is he Deep State too because he disagrees with Devin Nunes - Donald's merry little interference elf?

The warrant also points out that it took the Dossier into account, that it was paid for by one campaign (not named but DUH) and could have political motivation. Also, that the Dossier was only one aspect, and there were a whole bunch of other red flags.

As for your "Big Brother Spy Machine" - If we have good reason to listen in on one Trump campaign member or a known Kremlin spy - then guess what ... We're also going to listen in on everyone they are talking to.

As for your reference to Donald being "diddled with" - I would respectfully request that you take back that disturbing mental imagery :)
 
Here’s an idea....fire the deep state people.

That would be nice but unfortunately the very stable orange genius doesn't have the balls for that (or the brain)
Or does anyone else think, like I do, that the value of having a mythical enemy at the gates is that you get to blame all of the shortcomings on them?

Come on, the Russians aren't mythical... you can even see them for Palin's house..

:coffee:
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

No.. Because the problem is not solved. There will STILL BE severe Civil Liberties jeopardy because that Patriot Act system that we bought for NSA SOLELY to track terrorist networks is being abused for DOMESTIC spying. Ask any serious Civil Libertarian ESPECIALLY the ACLU. If it's been grossly abused as a political weapon and to spy on journalists -- you can imagine the possibility. Not ONLY does it put together networks of conspirators -- but it also tracks financial transactions. Of course TECHNICALLY, any queries made on that system requires oversight -- but even NSA admits, those checks were faulty and insufficient.

So what's next? Using those domestic capabilities to manipulate the economy, finances, etc?

And it NOT just the awesome Big Brother machine that we let them have. It's the ATTITUDE of these Deep Staters who KNOW they're not allowed to conduct ANY Domestic ops, but still do verified things like spying on Congress like Brennan did. It's a Genie----Bottle problem. And these folks in what is called the Deep State are actually EXCELLENT at what they do. When it's aimed AWAY from the USA. They are the rare bastion of COMPETENCE and ability amongst the couple hundred other agencies and govt sectors that chronically flail and fail at what they attempt to do..
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

I concede nothing and your points are as ridiculous as most of Donald's conspiratorial tweets. Do you have ANY idea who signed off on dozens of FISA warrants and painstaking reviews? Four different judges - ALL appointed by Republicans.

Look, there was plenty of good reason to take a hard look at Goofy Goober Page and it went far beyond the Dossier. The warrant also covers (too much detail for our own good- these warrants should never go public) each of these steps in meticulous detail. I've seen half a dozen REPUBLICANS admit it including Richard Burr. Is he Deep State too because he disagrees with Devin Nunes - Donald's merry little interference elf?

The warrant also points out that it took the Dossier into account, that it was paid for by one campaign (not named but DUH) and could have political motivation. Also, that the Dossier was only one aspect, and there were a whole bunch of other red flags.

As for your "Big Brother Spy Machine" - If we have good reason to listen in on one Trump campaign member or a known Kremlin spy - then guess what ... We're also going to listen in on everyone they are talking to.

As for your reference to Donald being "diddled with" - I would respectfully request that you take back that disturbing mental imagery :)


You think this is some kind of playground game. And your snarky denial in face of the evidence isn't funny in the least. No funny for you. History will write it the way I laid it out. After all you snark-meisters are drooling snot from the mental fatigue of trying to figure "WHAT HAPPENED".. Just like Hillary.
 

If you're done snarking around. Lemme explain the Deep State. It's a term of art used by America's Intel agencies themselves. And EVERY Civil Libertarian (not many left outside the ACLU and the Libertarian Party) knows the DANGERS of that massive section of govt that flies under radar, has little or NO oversight, eats big CHUNKS of the DOD budget without even being mentioned by name. MOST CONGRESS critters can't trace the funding because it's classified at levels too high for them to investigate.

The employees in this section govt are not subject to the results of elections. And neither are their missions. They CONTINUE the same programs and operations REGARDLESS of who takes electoral power.

Don't take my word for it. Bill Moyers laid it out best. And Bill Moyers never was a conspiracy guy or a tin foil hat wearer.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 million to keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

You morons on the left who have lost all FEAR of an omnipotent govt, laughed off Snowden. Called him a traitor. Attack whistleblowers who attack the govt you worship now. You have had your sense of self-preservation of Civil Liberties and control of your govt bred right the fuck out of you.

But what you've been arguing (badly in fact) about FISA courts and evidence from collection and archiving systems that get their rare chance to go public ---- IS the "Deep State" in action. Its behind 60% of this Russia Russia Russia thing. And you NOW HAVE Deep State star actors acting as "analysts" on your primary sources of information like CNN and MSNBC ---- arguing their asses off to avoid the cuffs and the perp walk. It's all front and center in front of your fact-checker damaged brains. And you STILL are yucking it all up as a conspiracy.

This, this, and this.

If you want to feel like you've fallen down the Rabbit Hole and emerged in some bizarre world, go on Twitter and witness harebrained leftists (pun intended) falling all over themselves to "thank the FBI for their service". Yes, the nation's most powerful COPS.

Dummies.

Everyone should be thanking the FBI. All this corrupt diddling with the election was conducted on JUST the HQ floor. The rank and file are angry. Many are gonna speak out. No way should this worse political scandal of our lifetime reflect on them.
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

No.. Because the problem is not solved. There will STILL BE severe Civil Liberties jeopardy because that Patriot Act system that we bought for NSA SOLELY to track terrorist networks is being abused for DOMESTIC spying. Ask any serious Civil Libertarian ESPECIALLY the ACLU. If it's been grossly abused as a political weapon and to spy on journalists -- you can imagine the possibility. Not ONLY does it put together networks of conspirators -- but it also tracks financial transactions. Of course TECHNICALLY, any queries made on that system requires oversight -- but even NSA admits, those checks were faulty and insufficient.

So what's next? Using those domestic capabilities to manipulate the economy, finances, etc?

And it NOT just the awesome Big Brother machine that we let them have. It's the ATTITUDE of these Deep Staters who KNOW they're not allowed to conduct ANY Domestic ops, but still do verified things like spying on Congress like Brennan did. It's a Genie----Bottle problem. And these folks in what is called the Deep State are actually EXCELLENT at what they do. When it's aimed AWAY from the USA. They are the rare bastion of COMPETENCE and ability amongst the couple hundred other agencies and govt sectors that chronically flail and fail at what they attempt to do..

So the “deep state” is an unbeatable foe that will forever rule the nation. Gotcha!

:113:
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

No.. Because the problem is not solved. There will STILL BE severe Civil Liberties jeopardy because that Patriot Act system that we bought for NSA SOLELY to track terrorist networks is being abused for DOMESTIC spying. Ask any serious Civil Libertarian ESPECIALLY the ACLU. If it's been grossly abused as a political weapon and to spy on journalists -- you can imagine the possibility. Not ONLY does it put together networks of conspirators -- but it also tracks financial transactions. Of course TECHNICALLY, any queries made on that system requires oversight -- but even NSA admits, those checks were faulty and insufficient.

So what's next? Using those domestic capabilities to manipulate the economy, finances, etc?

And it NOT just the awesome Big Brother machine that we let them have. It's the ATTITUDE of these Deep Staters who KNOW they're not allowed to conduct ANY Domestic ops, but still do verified things like spying on Congress like Brennan did. It's a Genie----Bottle problem. And these folks in what is called the Deep State are actually EXCELLENT at what they do. When it's aimed AWAY from the USA. They are the rare bastion of COMPETENCE and ability amongst the couple hundred other agencies and govt sectors that chronically flail and fail at what they attempt to do..

So the “deep state” is an unbeatable foe that will forever rule the nation. Gotcha!

:113:

I see you're not taking this seriously. Why do you think that is? You LIKE Domestic surveillance and Intel actors who run operations independent of current policy?

Let's review Bill Moyer's definition of Deep State that is simply brilliant.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

NONE of that bothers you?
 

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

No.. Because the problem is not solved. There will STILL BE severe Civil Liberties jeopardy because that Patriot Act system that we bought for NSA SOLELY to track terrorist networks is being abused for DOMESTIC spying. Ask any serious Civil Libertarian ESPECIALLY the ACLU. If it's been grossly abused as a political weapon and to spy on journalists -- you can imagine the possibility. Not ONLY does it put together networks of conspirators -- but it also tracks financial transactions. Of course TECHNICALLY, any queries made on that system requires oversight -- but even NSA admits, those checks were faulty and insufficient.

So what's next? Using those domestic capabilities to manipulate the economy, finances, etc?

And it NOT just the awesome Big Brother machine that we let them have. It's the ATTITUDE of these Deep Staters who KNOW they're not allowed to conduct ANY Domestic ops, but still do verified things like spying on Congress like Brennan did. It's a Genie----Bottle problem. And these folks in what is called the Deep State are actually EXCELLENT at what they do. When it's aimed AWAY from the USA. They are the rare bastion of COMPETENCE and ability amongst the couple hundred other agencies and govt sectors that chronically flail and fail at what they attempt to do..

So the “deep state” is an unbeatable foe that will forever rule the nation. Gotcha!

:113:

I see you're not taking this seriously. Why do you think that is? You LIKE Domestic surveillance and Intel actors who run operations independent of current policy?

Let's review Bill Moyer's definition of Deep State that is simply brilliant.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

NONE of that bothers you?

You got that right. There is no “deep state”, “ghost in the machine”, “swamp” or “vast right wing conspiracy” for that matter. It’s a convenient enemy at the gates that people create to shift blame for any failure.

Do me a favor…in alphabetical order, tell us who in the Trump White House are members of the Deep State—if it does exist; you should be able to tell us.

I will agree that there is institutional memory in any organization.
 
You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

So once they are evicted...can we put to rest this comical psychosis you have about there being some sort of "deep state" running the show?

No.. Because the problem is not solved. There will STILL BE severe Civil Liberties jeopardy because that Patriot Act system that we bought for NSA SOLELY to track terrorist networks is being abused for DOMESTIC spying. Ask any serious Civil Libertarian ESPECIALLY the ACLU. If it's been grossly abused as a political weapon and to spy on journalists -- you can imagine the possibility. Not ONLY does it put together networks of conspirators -- but it also tracks financial transactions. Of course TECHNICALLY, any queries made on that system requires oversight -- but even NSA admits, those checks were faulty and insufficient.

So what's next? Using those domestic capabilities to manipulate the economy, finances, etc?

And it NOT just the awesome Big Brother machine that we let them have. It's the ATTITUDE of these Deep Staters who KNOW they're not allowed to conduct ANY Domestic ops, but still do verified things like spying on Congress like Brennan did. It's a Genie----Bottle problem. And these folks in what is called the Deep State are actually EXCELLENT at what they do. When it's aimed AWAY from the USA. They are the rare bastion of COMPETENCE and ability amongst the couple hundred other agencies and govt sectors that chronically flail and fail at what they attempt to do..

So the “deep state” is an unbeatable foe that will forever rule the nation. Gotcha!

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I see you're not taking this seriously. Why do you think that is? You LIKE Domestic surveillance and Intel actors who run operations independent of current policy?

Let's review Bill Moyer's definition of Deep State that is simply brilliant.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

NONE of that bothers you?

You got that right. There is no “deep state”, “ghost in the machine”, “swamp” or “vast right wing conspiracy” for that matter. It’s a convenient enemy at the gates that people create to shift blame for any failure.

Do me a favor…in alphabetical order, tell us who in the Trump White House are members of the Deep State—if it does exist; you should be able to tell us.

I will agree that there is institutional memory in any organization.

Well OK Then. You're NOT a Civil Libertarian because NONE of what Moyer lays out alarms you. In fact, you stand there mocking an obviously HUGE PROBLEM of managing and controlling this LARGE section of govt.

You'll care soon enough. Then we can chat. In the meantime -- DO renew your ACLU dues. Because THEY DO acknowledge this problem and they care.
 
it is already in process

the attempt when trying to overthrow an election

by planting spies in a candidates organization

planting and making up fake dossiers

one sided supposed "news media" stacked full of lies

LoL Berzerk (a good name for you! ;-)

FACT CHECK: No, Clapper Has Not 'Admitted That There Was Spying' On Trump Campaign
No, former intel chief never said FBI spied on Trump
F.B.I. Used Informant to Investigate Russia Ties to Campaign, Not to Spy, as Trump Claims

You lose. That entire ARGUMENT in fact. And you should FIRE your moron fact checkers for making you look stupid. Here's some facts.

1) There were at LEAST 3 FISA warrants to spy on the Trump Campaign. YES - they targeted Carter Page. But if you get the keys to DRIVE that Big Brother spy machine, you have carte blanc to spy on the entire NETWORK of contacts and associates. That's exactly what that NSA Patriot Act Spy Machine was designed for.

2) There were INSTIGATORS planted into the Trump campaign EARLY -- before any OFFICIAL investigation was really acknowledged to "dirty up" Trump associates by fraudulently telling them about "Russian dirt". This is not just INFORMANTS. This was an Intel operation to STING and ENTRAP these people for later "interrogation" by the FBI.

You lose. Your "fact-checker" got your ass whooped. Think for yourself and ADMIT -- It's 100% TRUE that the Trump Campaign was diddled with and spied on..

NOW comes the fun part. Watching the vermin get evicted...

I concede nothing and your points are as ridiculous as most of Donald's conspiratorial tweets. Do you have ANY idea who signed off on dozens of FISA warrants and painstaking reviews? Four different judges - ALL appointed by Republicans.

Look, there was plenty of good reason to take a hard look at Goofy Goober Page and it went far beyond the Dossier. The warrant also covers (too much detail for our own good- these warrants should never go public) each of these steps in meticulous detail. I've seen half a dozen REPUBLICANS admit it including Richard Burr. Is he Deep State too because he disagrees with Devin Nunes - Donald's merry little interference elf?

The warrant also points out that it took the Dossier into account, that it was paid for by one campaign (not named but DUH) and could have political motivation. Also, that the Dossier was only one aspect, and there were a whole bunch of other red flags.

As for your "Big Brother Spy Machine" - If we have good reason to listen in on one Trump campaign member or a known Kremlin spy - then guess what ... We're also going to listen in on everyone they are talking to.

As for your reference to Donald being "diddled with" - I would respectfully request that you take back that disturbing mental imagery :)


You think this is some kind of playground game. And your snarky denial in face of the evidence isn't funny in the least. No funny for you. History will write it the way I laid it out. After all you snark-meisters are drooling snot from the mental fatigue of trying to figure "WHAT HAPPENED".. Just like Hillary.

There exists NO evidence of some sort of organized Deep State. Unless you count as such the industrial military complex or Derpy Nunes in which case there is somewhat of an argument to be made.

So I'll wait for "history" to prove otherwise ;-)

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If you're done snarking around. Lemme explain the Deep State. It's a term of art used by America's Intel agencies themselves. And EVERY Civil Libertarian (not many left outside the ACLU and the Libertarian Party) knows the DANGERS of that massive section of govt that flies under radar, has little or NO oversight, eats big CHUNKS of the DOD budget without even being mentioned by name. MOST CONGRESS critters can't trace the funding because it's classified at levels too high for them to investigate.

The employees in this section govt are not subject to the results of elections. And neither are their missions. They CONTINUE the same programs and operations REGARDLESS of who takes electoral power.

Don't take my word for it. Bill Moyers laid it out best. And Bill Moyers never was a conspiracy guy or a tin foil hat wearer.

Essay: Anatomy of the Deep State | BillMoyers.com

There is the visible government situated around the Mall in Washington, and then there is another, more shadowy, more indefinable government that is not explained in Civics 101 or observable to tourists at the White House or the Capitol. The former is traditional Washington partisan politics: the tip of the iceberg that a public watching C-SPAN sees daily and which is theoretically controllable via elections. The subsurface part of the iceberg I shall call the Deep State, which operates according to its own compass heading regardless of who is formally in power. [1]

Despite this apparent impotence, President Obama can liquidate American citizens without due processes, detain prisoners indefinitely without charge, conduct dragnet surveillance on the American people without judicial warrant and engage in unprecedented — at least since the McCarthy era — witch hunts against federal employees (the so-called “Insider Threat Program”). Within the United States, this power is characterized by massive displays of intimidating force by militarized federal, state and local law enforcement. Abroad, President Obama can start wars at will and engage in virtually any other activity whatsoever without so much as a by-your-leave from Congress, such as arranging the forced landing of a plane carrying a sovereign head of state over foreign territory. Despite the habitual cant of congressional Republicans about executive overreach by Obama, the would-be dictator, we have until recently heard very little from them about these actions — with the minor exception of comments from gadfly Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Democrats, save a few mavericks such as Ron Wyden of Oregon, are not unduly troubled, either — even to the extent of permitting seemingly perjured congressional testimony under oath by executive branch officials on the subject of illegal surveillance.

These are not isolated instances of a contradiction; they have been so pervasive that they tend to be disregarded as background noise. During the time in 2011 when political warfare over the debt ceiling was beginning to paralyze the business of governance in Washington, the United States government somehow summoned the resources to overthrow Muammar Ghaddafi’s regime in Libya, and, when the instability created by that coup spilled over into Mali, provide overt and covert assistance to French intervention there. At a time when there was heated debate about continuing meat inspections and civilian air traffic control because of the budget crisis, our government was somehow able to commit $115 million to keeping a civil war going in Syria and to pay at least £100m to the United Kingdom’s Government Communications Headquarters to buy influence over and access to that country’s intelligence. Since 2007, two bridges carrying interstate highways have collapsed due to inadequate maintenance of infrastructure, one killing 13 people. During that same period of time, the government spent $1.7 billion constructing a building in Utah that is the size of 17 football fields. This mammoth structure is intended to allow the National Security Agency to store a yottabyte of information, the largest numerical designator computer scientists have coined. A yottabyte is equal to 500 quintillion pages of text. They need that much storage to archive every single trace of your electronic life.

The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street. All these agencies are coordinated by the Executive Office of the President via the National Security Council. Certain key areas of the judiciary belong to the Deep State, such as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, whose actions are mysterious even to most members of Congress. Also included are a handful of vital federal trial courts, such as the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Manhattan, where sensitive proceedings in national security cases are conducted. The final government component (and possibly last in precedence among the formal branches of government established by the Constitution) is a kind of rump Congress consisting of the congressional leadership and some (but not all) of the members of the defense and intelligence committees. The rest of Congress, normally so fractious and partisan, is mostly only intermittently aware of the Deep State and when required usually submits to a few well-chosen words from the State’s emissaries.

You morons on the left who have lost all FEAR of an omnipotent govt, laughed off Snowden. Called him a traitor. Attack whistleblowers who attack the govt you worship now. You have had your sense of self-preservation of Civil Liberties and control of your govt bred right the fuck out of you.

But what you've been arguing (badly in fact) about FISA courts and evidence from collection and archiving systems that get their rare chance to go public ---- IS the "Deep State" in action. Its behind 60% of this Russia Russia Russia thing. And you NOW HAVE Deep State star actors acting as "analysts" on your primary sources of information like CNN and MSNBC ---- arguing their asses off to avoid the cuffs and the perp walk. It's all front and center in front of your fact-checker damaged brains. And you STILL are yucking it all up as a conspiracy.

This, this, and this.

If you want to feel like you've fallen down the Rabbit Hole and emerged in some bizarre world, go on Twitter and witness harebrained leftists (pun intended) falling all over themselves to "thank the FBI for their service". Yes, the nation's most powerful COPS.

Dummies.

Everyone should be thanking the FBI. All this corrupt diddling with the election was conducted on JUST the HQ floor. The rank and file are angry. Many are gonna speak out. No way should this worse political scandal of our lifetime reflect on them.

I hope so. But the "rank and file" in DC are still in DC. The swamp protects itself first and foremost, so I'm not sure about that.

Field offices? Yes. Those folks live among the "great unwashed"--us. But DC is DC, after all.
 

If you're done snarking around. Lemme explain the Deep State. It's a term of art used by America's Intel agencies themselves.
Uh, no. "Deep State™" is an invention of a congressional aide. Four years ago. And the Tard Herd ran with it.

Put down the crack pipe.

Aint no such deal. I spent 7 yrs in that general area of "the Deep State" in the late 90s/2000 and it was an accepted term of art back then INSIDE the agencies. You Battle Bots are about to appreciate what a threat to Civil Liberties that massive unseen iceberg actually is. The demonstration of the threat will be apparent to even morons.

When I served -- there WAS NO DOMESTIC spying allowed in the heart of the Intel groups.. And I have high regard for the folks and their capabilities. But the Patriot Act Authorization that ALLOWED domestic collection and archiving is a PRIMARY threat to our Republic. So is the FISA court and the folks on Congressional Intel committees that can be blackmailed, spied on and propagandized. They've ALREADY been spied on by the CIA.

Laugh it off asshole. It's not funny at all. As soon as it's used against your tribe -- you'll find the righteous outrage that's required.

So -- you think Bill Moyers is a crank? He's one of the most principled and respected journalists in the nation. And HE had the clearances to be briefed on some of shanigans. He saw enough of hinky sketchy stuff to make HIM worry. HE's a Civil Libertarian -- you're a partisan foolish hack.
 
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Boy, Trump sure does have the NWO folks extremely rattled. He's really disrupting their 'Order.' Are we witnessing a Coup-attempt?


The Coming Coup to Overthrow President Trump
Sedition at the Highest Levels

By Paul Roberts

The annual budget of the military/security complex is $1,000 billion. This vast sum is drawn from US taxpayers who have many unmet needs. To justify such an enormous budget a major enemy is required. The military/security complex and the media and politicians that the complex owns have designated Russia to be that enemy. The complex and its political and media agents will not permit Trump to normalize relations with Russia.

To prevent President Trump from reducing the dangerous tensions between nuclear powers that Washington has created, the military/security complex orchestrated Russiagate, a proven hoax, but believed by many due to its endless repetition. The military/security complex orchestrated the false indictments of 12 Russians. The military/security complex orchestrated the false arrest of Maria Butina, and so on and on. The military/security complex acting through the politicians and presstitutes that it owns and controls, has turned the normal everyday responsibility of the President—one acknowledged and acted upon by every previous president—to defuse tensions that could lead to nuclear war into a high crime. President Trump is accused of treason for trying to make peace!

An unaware person might think that this is silly and laugh, but as Finian Cunningham shows, President Trump has been set-up as a treasonous enemy of America. We are currently experiencing sedition at the highest levels as the military/security complex unfolds its coup against the elected president of the United States...

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The Coming Coup - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

LOL

Just the fact that you cite Lew Rockwell.....lol
 

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