Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

[AVG-JOE]

God is life.

Energy is God.

God is imaginary.

 

[AVG-JOE]

That's why life beginning as chemical reactions in a liquid ocean and growing from there makes perfect sense. At least that fits the evidence better than an ancient story describing some deity "breathing life" in to wads of clay to create life forms quite independent of each other.

not to mention the proximity of the Sun's ambient temperature, rotation and axis of the planet, presence of water ....

a pity the Bible is so awful - just the ingredients for life and the process of its beginnings are in themselves stages necessarily made possible by a Creator as not - the proof being the persuasion Life must follow for its completion as a standard is not set by the physiological form created but by a directive that if not followed will result in failure despite the hardiness of the form.

This is a very well-made point, and one the god-haters certainly don't like to acknowledge. The setup itself, is both curiously unique and essential to support life systems as we understand them. The planet had to have particular abundance of specific primordial elements, a smaller celestial body had to collide with the planet, early on, and come to rest in rotational orbit, giving us a distinct wobble in our rotation, giving us seasons, as well as a counterforce to enable tides. But the 'trick shot' of all 'trick shots' is not finished, without tides and seasons, there are billions of life forms we have no way to rationally explain the existence of, which other life forms are totally dependent upon and couldn't exist without.

Another fascinating phenomenon, is the Solar Wind. Can any of you astute god-haters explain this one? Not HOW, but WHY? And does this force constitute "energy?" It's clearly there, we can see and observe it, the Northern Lights are one of the most awe inspiring things I've ever witnessed on this planet. We think that we know HOW it functions, but we do not understand why. It's like black holes, dark energy, antimatter, or even, good old gravity and electricity... we know HOW they work, but WHY?

Yet it all had to come into harmonious alignment for life to even be possible. To me, it is simply a 'beyond-all-odds' type of miracle, to believe it all happened by chance. It is just way too elaborate and intricate, not to have been the product of intelligent design.

The evidence supports life related and connected on a chemical level. Even Gods 'Special Monkeys' bleed red blood.

The evidence supports lots and lots of time involved for life to evolve in to Monkeys.

The ancient stories are cute. The kind of bullshit one might expect to hear around a middle eastern campfire circa 8,000 - 10,000 years ago... If God is, She's way bigger than ALL the ancient stories, let alone any one of them.

 

[Mom]

Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

Did anyone actually offer something up?

 

[tipofthespear]

Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

Did anyone actually offer something up?

The only "proof" needed to know God exist is the fact that so very many self proclaimed atheist feel the need to spend so much time debating the issue...........how ignorant does one have to be to waste time debating the existence of something/someone they don't believe exists?

If these so called atheist TRULY BELIEVED God does not exist, they wouldn't bother.....their own actions is all the proof needed.......yet there is an entire universe of proof.......and the fact that they are blinded to it in no way disproves His existence.

If these so called atheist have one sliver of scientific evidence that God does not exist, why do they not proclaim it from the highest of the highest mountain tops? Well, because they cannot prove God does not exist...........truly they are loyal servants of the deceiver, and even with all their self proclaimed intellect, they don't even know that........Sad, truly sad. Self proclaimed atheist are only deserving of the "pity" of believers.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Red Rain Cells have no DNA and can reproduce. Viruses have either DNA or RNA but can’t metabolize nutrients, produce and excrete wastes, move around on their own, or even reproduce.

Who designed the designer?

Wrong nice try just because someone claimed that red rain cells do not have DNA does not make it so. Oh by the way red rain cells are viable and they do contain DNA.

No they don't. It was claimed that the red pigment contained DNA, but it was later found out it was red algae spores which were minor contaminants.
Try again.

Ok is this just what some on your side want to believe so they think that a creator is not needed.

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very standard tests (with DAPI), and they do show a positive for DNA. But it’s well known that these could be false positives. There is really no 100% detection of DNA, based on fluorescence.

They have not proven there is no DNA present yet. I will bet you they will discover DNA eventually

Red Rain Cells of Kerala, India - Still No Definite DNA

Could be false positives lol which is true but we know that no life exists without DNA.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Energy has always existed. Energy needs no designer.

God is energy thanks for playing where were you educated ?

Energy is God, energy has no designer.

Apparently God has no beginning and no end.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Red Rain Cells have no DNA and can reproduce. Viruses have either DNA or RNA but can’t metabolize nutrients, produce and excrete wastes, move around on their own, or even reproduce.

Who designed the designer?

Prove the designer requires a designer.

If the designer created the universe, they also created time. (See 'space time continuum.')

The Creationist argument for a designer is the complex cannot evolve from the simple as Evolution maintains. Therefore the designer must more complex than the creation requiring a more complex designer to create the designer.

When all the already existing energy of the universe went bang, space/time began. See the Big Bang.

Why would you think mans scientific laws would apply to the creator ?

 

[Mom]

Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

Did anyone actually offer something up?

The only "proof" needed to know God exist is the fact that so very many self proclaimed atheist feel the need to spend so much time debating the issue...........how ignorant does one have to be to waste time debating the existence of something/someone they don't believe exists?

If these so called atheist TRULY BELIEVED God does not exist, they wouldn't bother.....their own actions is all the proof needed.......yet there is an entire universe of proof.......and the fact that they are blinded to it in no way disproves His existence.

If these so called atheist have one sliver of scientific evidence that God does not exist, why do they not proclaim it from the highest of the highest mountain tops? Well, because they cannot prove God does not exist...........truly they are loyal servants of the deceiver, and even with all their self proclaimed intellect, they don't even know that........Sad, truly sad. Self proclaimed atheist are only deserving of the "pity" of believers.

I'm agnostic (I don't see any proof either way), so atheists are just as deluded as theists, because neither one has any solid proof for their position. I'm just curious to see if any real proof exists for a god.

 

[edthecynic]

God is energy thanks for playing where were you educated ?

Energy is God, energy has no designer.

Apparently God has no beginning and no end.

It is a proven fact that energy has no begining or end. No apparently about it.

 

[edthecynic]

Prove the designer requires a designer.

If the designer created the universe, they also created time. (See 'space time continuum.')

The Creationist argument for a designer is the complex cannot evolve from the simple as Evolution maintains. Therefore the designer must more complex than the creation requiring a more complex designer to create the designer.

When all the already existing energy of the universe went bang, space/time began. See the Big Bang.

Why would you think mans scientific laws would apply to the creator ?

They are NATURE's laws and the Creator/Designer is completely bound by them. Nature is supreme.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Definitive Proof that GOD Exists?

Did anyone actually offer something up?

The only "proof" needed to know God exist is the fact that so very many self proclaimed atheist feel the need to spend so much time debating the issue...........how ignorant does one have to be to waste time debating the existence of something/someone they don't believe exists?

If these so called atheist TRULY BELIEVED God does not exist, they wouldn't bother.....their own actions is all the proof needed.......yet there is an entire universe of proof.......and the fact that they are blinded to it in no way disproves His existence.

If these so called atheist have one sliver of scientific evidence that God does not exist, why do they not proclaim it from the highest of the highest mountain tops? Well, because they cannot prove God does not exist...........truly they are loyal servants of the deceiver, and even with all their self proclaimed intellect, they don't even know that........Sad, truly sad. Self proclaimed atheist are only deserving of the "pity" of believers.

Unless you can repeat the origins of life on earth over and over in a lab, definitive proof one way or the other will never exist. All a Monkey can do is make up his/her own mind based on the evidence at hand.

2,000 year old ancient stories? All knowledge gleaned from the last 2,000 years?

It's up to you, Monkey. What to believe has always been up to you.

 

[Youwerecreated]

The Creationist argument for a designer is the complex cannot evolve from the simple as Evolution maintains. Therefore the designer must more complex than the creation requiring a more complex designer to create the designer.

When all the already existing energy of the universe went bang, space/time began. See the Big Bang.

Why would you think mans scientific laws would apply to the creator ?

They are NATURE's laws and the Creator/Designer is completely bound by them. Nature is supreme.

Only two things God can't do is commit sin or Die.

 

[Youwerecreated]

Energy is God, energy has no designer.

Apparently God has no beginning and no end.

It is a proven fact that energy has no begining or end. No apparently about it.

Can God create and that creation produce energy ?

 

[Youwerecreated]

Can man do the same thing ?

 

[amrchaos]

Can man do the same thing ?

Are we talking about man?

 

[Montrovant]

Why would you think mans scientific laws would apply to the creator ?

They are NATURE's laws and the Creator/Designer is completely bound by them. Nature is supreme.

Only two things God can't do is commit sin or Die.

Who are you to say what god can or cannot do? That seems fairly arrogant.

Hi YWC! Long time no see.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

God is life.

Energy is God.

God is imaginary.

Obviously not or you wouldn't spend so much time denouncing him. I guess you're imagining Him too.

 

[daws101]

I still want an explanation as how life began from non-life. This would Pretty much save us a lot of wasted time once we figure out life is a product of design.

Well, you nor anyone else can have one. I can make can make one up for you, write a story about it, and put it in a book, and tell people about it and have them believe it, but that doesn't mean its true.

You've just confirmed that yours is an argument from ignorance, and that you can't stand an absence of explanation. To fill this epistemic vacuum, you throw in something, anything, to suit your intuitional needs. It is human weakness. We simply don't know. Deal with it.

Human spiritual connection has existed in humans for all of our existence. This is hardly something that is "made up."

Spirituality is not a quantifiable thing.
so by definition it is made up!
I agree that humans have connections but if and until you can rule out all other causes such as, pheromones or nurture or species recognition, the idea of spiritual connection is highly speculative.

 

[daws101]

You base your arguments on logic but you don't when it comes to the origins of life.

I don't? How do you know?

We all base our arguments on logic. It's simply a matter of whether our inferences are valid and our premises sound.

A person should be able to detect design in nature and there is a lot of evidence that logically would infer design in nature. Purposeful design is hard to be mistaken on using logic.

again more bullshit !
Vitalism

Vitalism is the belief that the life-principle is non-material. This originated with Stahl (17th century), and held sway until the middle of the 19th century. It appealed to philosophers such as Henri Bergson, Nietzsche, Wilhelm Dilthey,[18] anatomists like Bichat, and chemists like Liebig.[19] Vitalism included the idea that there was a fundamental difference between organic and inorganic material, and the belief that organic material can only be derived from living things. This was disproved in 1828, when Friedrich Wöhler prepared urea from inorganic materials.[20] This Wöhler synthesis is considered the starting point of modern organic chemistry. It is of historical significance because for the first time an organic compound was produced from inorganic reactants.[19]

During the 1850s, Helmholtz, anticipated by Mayer, demonstrated that no energy is lost in muscle movement, suggesting that there were no "vital forces" necessary to move a muscle.[21] These results led to the abandonment of scientific interest in vitalistic theories, although the belief lingered on in pseudoscientific theories such as homeopat

 

[daws101]

Most cells look alike hmm they must be related and will produce the same family of organism how ridiculous.

Obviously you know nothing about Histology. BTW, Histology also supports evolution.

Nerve cell

Red Blood cell

Smooth Muscle Cell

Wow you just convinced me all my work was misinterpreted. Look the designer used the same ingredients to produce all living organisms which the bible claims all living organisms were created from the ground so that shows there were similarities but you twits ignore the vast difference that our genes produce.

wrong! It's you who misinterpreted the findings..after you had a religious Epiphany.
your work as you call you call it, was observing not theorizing..
there is no evidence of a designer.