Democracy: Yes or No

[emilynghiem]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

Federal republic - Wikipedia

Here is your answer...

Reading the text, one must conclude we live in a democratic republic. COTUS defines the method which establishes a balance of power, between three separate branches.

Yes Wry Catcher a Democratic Republic
is not the same as a pure Democracy.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

A democracy is when the voters controls the govt

That's what we have

But it's limited

Our founders said that there never was a democracy that didn't commit suicide

And we are fast moving to suicide

Democracies brings liberalism which brings the suicide

 

[mikegriffith1]

Oh. My. Heavens. So when Obama and Holder refused Congressional subpoenas of documents relating to their Fast and Furious operation, which got a border agent killed, was our "democracy" in crisis? When Obama and Clinton stonewalled the Benghazi Select Committee on document requests relating to Benghazi (to cover up their fatal incompetence), was our "democracy" in crisis? (Actually, we are a republic, not a democracy.)

 

[Anathema]

It's not what the general population thinks that would be your problem, it's what they will/can do.

If that were really true, I’d actually have some respect for them. American citizens have the POTENTIAL for great resistance to the sort of Government I’d prefer. What they don’t have for the most part is the willingness to actually do it. Besides, many of them would probably prefer the new nation to this one.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Oh. My. Heavens. So when Obama and Holder refused Congressional subpoenas of documents relating to their Fast and Furious operation, which got a border agent killed, was our "democracy" in crisis? When Obama and Clinton stonewalled the Benghazi Select Committee on document requests relating to Benghazi (to cover up their fatal incompetence), was our "democracy" in crisis? (Actually, we are a republic, not a democracy.)

A constitutional republic democracy


Democracy is when the voters controls the govt

It's limited by a constitutional republic

That describes how this democracy is limited

 

[Doc7505]

I think there is a difference between democracy and republicanism, although it is easily overlooked. Our system is republican in that the Founders understood that the public is the only legitimate sovereign of government. But it is not wholly democratic, in that they feared the abuse of that authority by the people and designed an instrument of government intended to keep temporary, imprudent, and intemperate outbursts of public opinion from dominating the body politic.

We the People elect electors for President and Vice President, a democratic process; we elected our Representatives in the H. or Rep. directly, clearly a democratic process; we directly elect Senators, once again a clearly democratic process.

We the People directly elect the Governors of our states, their representatives in their legislatures, and every city and town elect councils, boards of supervisors, mayors, school boards and Superintendents, etc. etc.

IMO it's time for the nine members of the USSC to be vetted by the voters on their 10th, 20th and 30th anniversaries closest to the General Election when the President is elected and be retired at age 70.

All well and good, what would be needed is a Constitutional amendment to do so. Do you know how long that takes?

 

[progressive hunter]

A democracy is when the voters controls the govt

That's what we have

But it's limited

Our founders said that there never was a democracy that didn't commit suicide

And we are fast moving to suicide

Democracies brings liberalism which brings the suicide

youre confusing liberalism with socialism,,,that words been highjacked by the left to hide their true intentions,,,

a republic if done right like we did brings about the highest form of liberty short of anarchy,,,,ie liberalism,,,

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Oh. My. Heavens. So when Obama and Holder refused Congressional subpoenas of documents relating to their Fast and Furious operation, which got a border agent killed, was our "democracy" in crisis? When Obama and Clinton stonewalled the Benghazi Select Committee on document requests relating to Benghazi (to cover up their fatal incompetence), was our "democracy" in crisis? (Actually, we are a republic, not a democracy.)

A constitutional republic democracy


Democracy is when the voters controls the govt

It's limited by a constitutional republic

That describes how this democracy is limited

And because it's a democracy without more limits we are set to commit suicide

We must limit this democracy even further to a high logic test for voters which the founders had with their property test

 

[Wry Catcher]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

Simple Wry Catcher don't panic
What this means is when you are voting on people's money, the people who put that money in have a say in where it goes.

It's not about excluding people but excluding people from dictating to others where THEIR money goes.

That's what they are essentially arguing for.

We just need to organize better where we truly protect people from the
dictatorship and whims of others who don't share the same beliefs.

Wry Catcher we do this all the time.
Do non-Catholics interfere and intervene on what the Catholic church votes on for its own members to pay for?
Do we dictate what Catholic or other church institutions do with their property or programs?
No, only the BOARDS of organizations and their members vote on their agenda and
budgets based on BY LAWS they AGREED to follow.

That's what we are supposed to be doing with the Constitution
and having set rules, limits and process for managing federal budget and programs.

However, this got off track, when social programs got added that
required funding from people who didn't agree to the terms of the social programs.

We need to reorganize so people can fund and follow the programs and beliefs
they want supported without conflict, obstruction or interference from people
who want to fund a different solution to those same problems.

Just like the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Catholics and Muslims pay for their
own programs and decide for their own members;
and the States have their own sovereign systems for their citizens who AGREE to be under
the same rules and pay into under agreed process and terms of services;
we also need such a system for PARTIES so members can access
their own programs without fear of anyone dictating or blocking them from doing so!

That's all.

Just reorganizing similar to States in a Union:
where we AGREE on federal laws, sure we all AGREE to fund that budget.

But where we DISAGREE we need to quit trying to vote in or out
terms that another group is willing to fund with their own taxes.

Similar to churches, but treating political parties and organizations
like any other Nonprofit or Religious organization, since parties all
espouse their own political beliefs or religions. Let each have their own.

Then it becomes MORE CLEAR where we ALL AGREE TO FUND PUBLIC POLICY.

Just quit mixing in the relative beliefs and disagreement in with public policy
and we will quit having these conflicts, and just fund our different approaches
separately like all the other Churches do and States do that have their own
laws and taxes/budgets voted on by their own members under their rules they agree to

First of all you need to learn how to edit your comments and be concise. That said, you need to look into the religions in your comment quoted below,

"Just like the Hindus, the Buddhists, the Catholics and Muslims pay for their own programs and decide for their own members"

Is a false assumption. For example:

• Buddhists have a required action called Dana. This concept includes giving, sharing, and selfless giving without anticipation of return or benefit to the giver
• The Upanishads, a text containing the philosophical concepts of Hinduism, talks about dāna (giving to an individual, in distress or in need, as an act of virtue).

 

[Wry Catcher]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

Federal republic - Wikipedia

Here is your answer...

Reading the text, one must conclude we live in a democratic republic. COTUS defines the method which establishes a balance of power, between three separate branches.

Yes Wry Catcher a Democratic Republic
is not the same as a pure Democracy.

Thank you. We are of course a represented democracy, something not well understood by too many above.

 

[progressive hunter]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

Federal republic - Wikipedia

Here is your answer...

Reading the text, one must conclude we live in a democratic republic. COTUS defines the method which establishes a balance of power, between three separate branches.

Yes Wry Catcher a Democratic Republic
is not the same as a pure Democracy.

Thank you. We are of course a represented democracy, something not well understood by too many above.

youre the only one that seems confused,,,

 

[Correll]

More food for thought:

Donald Trump's feud with Congress puts American democracy on the brink - CNNPolitics

For those, many who post on this message board, it seems they oppose universal suffrage and would prefer that only an elite should be eligible to vote.

For a long while some posters have denied we are a democratic republic, and prefer to use constitutional republic, some seek to overturn the 17th Amendment and some would require only property owners the right to vote.

Even the Supreme Court has watered down democracy in the two Citizen's United decisions and overturned a key provision of the Voting Rights Act to combat racial discrimination in voting.

"We have met the enemy and he is us"
Pogo

What ever happened to noblesse oblige: " the inferred responsibility of privileged people to act with generosity and nobility toward those less privileged."

The basis of the "feud" is the soft coup attempt of the Dems. That is the danger to our democracy.


You guys win on that, and we will not forget or forgive.

 

[Harry Dresden]

As an Ultra-Conservative Authoritarian, I am definitely a “NO” vote when it comes to Democracy or any sort of Republican system of Government.

The masses have proven ourselves too stupid and immoral to live proper when given the option not to - so we need to have those options removed.

in other words you need somebody telling you when its ok to piss and shit....and above all....never question what you are told by your betters...

 

[Correll]

As an Ultra-Conservative Authoritarian, I am definitely a “NO” vote when it comes to Democracy or any sort of Republican system of Government.

The masses have proven ourselves too stupid and immoral to live proper when given the option not to - so we need to have those options removed.

in other words you need somebody telling you when its ok to piss and shit....and above all....never question what you are told by your betters...

it is so rare that, "in other words" ever actually says anything resembling what actually came before.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

we are a republic. you should learn what our country is before you start supporting stupid people. just saying, you look pathetic.

Half correct, we are a democratic republic. See post #23

all wrong,,,

we are a representative republic,,,,

Republic: "a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch"

That's it! But you don't understand that.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

Federal republic - Wikipedia

Here is your answer...

Reading the text, one must conclude we live in a democratic republic. COTUS defines the method which establishes a balance of power, between three separate branches.

You can interpret it anyway you want but in the end we are a Federal Republic and never been a Democracy...

We are a type of democracy

Our type is a constitutional republic type democracy

Like a ford car

There goes a ford but still it's a car

Bitch! You're a Russian, stfu.

You think we're stupid or something?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Q. Why attack CNN, why not respond rationally and consider the points I made with some thought and not echo Limbaugh.

American isnt a democracy,,,,

What are we than?

Federal republic - Wikipedia

Here is your answer...

Reading the text, one must conclude we live in a democratic republic. COTUS defines the method which establishes a balance of power, between three separate branches.

We live in a Constitutional Republic, but you're too obtuse to realize that, with your fascist and Commie tendencies.

 

[Anathema]

in other words you need somebody telling you when its ok to piss and shit....and above all....never question what you are told by your betters...

I know and accept my limitations and place in life. We’d be far better off if more people understood where they are supposed to fit in Society and accepted that rather than fighting it.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Nadler's feud with President Trump puts American democracy on the brink-Reality News

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Actually the Corrupt Democratic Party's FBIgate is a threat to our democracy*