Democrat Racism

[katsteve2012]

While that does not match what your world view would reveal.

If half the managers are supposedly racist, but the OTHER half are signed on to diversity and equality and such shit, you would expect that at least half the companies would be following the plan of hiring all the minorities so at least a solid Third would be there.


Sounds like some other factor must be the cause of the discrepancy you see.

Do you remember the other day I asked you if you agreed that it sucks that companies don't hire people without experience? This happens to white guys too. How do you break into marketing with your marketing degree if you have no experience?

So it is true it's a lot easier to find qualified white dudes with experience than it is to find a black with experience.

But remember my brother was never a VP before they gave him the job. And the woman who took over for him doesn't have any experience either. This is where they have to take a chance on more blacks and women. They have to stop thinking the woman is going to quit once she has a family and they have to stop thinking the black is lazy and stupid.

And one more thing. You cry because of AA and the results haven't hardly affected you at all. The fact is very few women and black CEO's. Now imagine if in a year from now 25% of CEO's are blacks or women. You will absolutely lose your shit. You can't even stand it that less than 5% of CEO's are black. That's too high you say. So imagine if it were 25%

1. Thank you for admitting that it is easier to find qualified white guys than qualified minorities. Now consider that you are now asking for different standards of treatment for candidates based on their skin color and gender, with white males being judged more harshly.


2. You assume that this has not effected me. I asked you if the white vp candidates were told that they were never even in the running because of their skin color and gender. You did not answer. Will you answer that now?

3. Your prediction about assumptions about my reactions to more minorities ceos' is so divorced from the reality of my position that it does not merit a response. Please try some other hypothetical, or perhaps you could ask a question about what I think or feel.

This is what it's like talking to you conservatives.

A congressional hearing on hate crimes and the rise of white nationalism was derailed by conservatives questioning whether white supremacy exists today at all, with some urging the committee to focus instead on “all hate speech.”

Instead, the floor was repeatedly given to conservative witness Candace Owens, a Trump-supporting Infowars and Fox News contributor who recently said Hitler would have been fine if he had simply remained a nationalist in Germany. The focus of the meeting quickly shifted from the rising death toll in the name of white supremacy to Owens’ main talking point: that discussing white nationalism at all is a Democratic ploy to win elections.

Owens’ talking point gave Republicans on the committee an avenue of deflection ― a way of implying that Democrats are instead unfairly targeting conservative voices. One after another, Republicans bit on Owens’ prompt, and one after the other, they proved they didn’t come to talk about the rise in white nationalism at all.

Instead, they victimized themselves. Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) asked a Facebook representative why the platform is so hard on “my friends, Diamond and Silk,” referring to the pro-Trump social media stars. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) complained Democrats showed hostility by listing Owens as a “conservative".

“It isn’t that there isn’t hate speech, it’s that we need to condemn all hate speech,” he said, to which Owens responded, “I agree.”

These exchanges turned into an argument over whether white supremacy exists and whether Owens plays a part in its proliferation, despite being a black woman. When Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) was given the floor, he used his phone to play back Owens’ quote about Hitler becoming too global, which she said in February in front of members of conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA, of which she is the communications director.

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She is an opportunist. Her time will come to be cast aside one day like every tool who outlives their usefulness.

RACIST!!!!!!


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Throwing out one over used word, is not an intelligent rebuttal. If you have a point, please explain it.

Or STFU.

 

[katsteve2012]

1. Thank you for admitting that it is easier to find qualified white guys than qualified minorities. Now consider that you are now asking for different standards of treatment for candidates based on their skin color and gender, with white males being judged more harshly.


2. You assume that this has not effected me. I asked you if the white vp candidates were told that they were never even in the running because of their skin color and gender. You did not answer. Will you answer that now?

3. Your prediction about assumptions about my reactions to more minorities ceos' is so divorced from the reality of my position that it does not merit a response. Please try some other hypothetical, or perhaps you could ask a question about what I think or feel.

This is what it's like talking to you conservatives.

A congressional hearing on hate crimes and the rise of white nationalism was derailed by conservatives questioning whether white supremacy exists today at all, with some urging the committee to focus instead on “all hate speech.”

Instead, the floor was repeatedly given to conservative witness Candace Owens, a Trump-supporting Infowars and Fox News contributor who recently said Hitler would have been fine if he had simply remained a nationalist in Germany. The focus of the meeting quickly shifted from the rising death toll in the name of white supremacy to Owens’ main talking point: that discussing white nationalism at all is a Democratic ploy to win elections.

Owens’ talking point gave Republicans on the committee an avenue of deflection ― a way of implying that Democrats are instead unfairly targeting conservative voices. One after another, Republicans bit on Owens’ prompt, and one after the other, they proved they didn’t come to talk about the rise in white nationalism at all.

Instead, they victimized themselves. Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) asked a Facebook representative why the platform is so hard on “my friends, Diamond and Silk,” referring to the pro-Trump social media stars. Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) complained Democrats showed hostility by listing Owens as a “conservative".

“It isn’t that there isn’t hate speech, it’s that we need to condemn all hate speech,” he said, to which Owens responded, “I agree.”

These exchanges turned into an argument over whether white supremacy exists and whether Owens plays a part in its proliferation, despite being a black woman. When Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) was given the floor, he used his phone to play back Owens’ quote about Hitler becoming too global, which she said in February in front of members of conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA, of which she is the communications director.

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She is an opportunist. Her time will come to be cast aside one day like every tool who outlives their usefulness.

The way she fought back against the libtard who lied about what she said on Hitler? That woman is one of US, and will always be, so you can shove your race baiting shit back where it came from.

"One of US"...ROFLMAO. She will change her loyalty as soon as the opportunity to further her own agenda surfaces.

Are you so ignorant that you cannot see that?

You’re a RACIST!!!!!


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And you're an idiot. Where have I attempted to present any race as being superior over another?

 

[katsteve2012]

She is an opportunist. Her time will come to be cast aside one day like every tool who outlives their usefulness.

The way she fought back against the libtard who lied about what she said on Hitler? That woman is one of US, and will always be, so you can shove your race baiting shit back where it came from.

"One of US"...ROFLMAO. She will change her loyalty as soon as the opportunity to further her own agenda surfaces.

Are you so ignorant that you cannot see that?

How did we lie about what she said?

he used his phone to play back Owens’ quote about Hitler becoming too global, which she said in February in front of members of conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA, of which she is the communications director.

So she was ok with a country being nationalistic just as long as they don't spread that bullshit to other nations. But why not? Why not unite all the whites of the world for the eventual race war.

No one lied about anything. If there is an eventual race war, the nuts who are engaged in it will view her as just another black face.

By election time, she will likely be the subject matter in a "Whatever happened to" documentary.

The liberals elites wear black face everyday


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How did we lie about what she said?

he used his phone to play back Owens’ quote about Hitler becoming too global, which she said in February in front of members of conservative advocacy group Turning Point USA, of which she is the communications director.

So she was ok with a country being nationalistic just as long as they don't spread that bullshit to other nations. But why not? Why not unite all the whites of the world for the eventual race war.

No one lied about anything. If there is an eventual race war, the nuts who are engaged in it will view her as just another black face.

By election time, she will likely be the subject matter in a "Whatever happened to" documentary.

And who is this woman anyways?

In 2007, while a senior in high school, Owens received threatening racist phone calls that were traced to a car in which the 14-year-old son of then mayor Dannel Malloy was present. Owens' family sued the Stamford Board of Education in federal court alleging that the city did not protect her rights, resulting in a $37,500 settlement.

I bet not one white USMB Republican would have sided with her in the case.

Owens was pursuing an undergraduate degree in journalism at the University of Rhode Island but left school after her junior year. In 2012, she took a job as an administrative assistant for a private equity firm.

What fucking qualifies her to speak about anything??? She's a college drop out. A token for the Republicans now. She has found her calling.

Owens blamed, with scant evidence, the doxing on progressives involved in the Gamergate controversy.[2][14] After this, she earned the support of conservatives involved in the Gamergate controversy, including right-wing political commentators and Trump supporters Milo Yiannopoulos and Mike Cernovich.[2] After this, Owens became a conservative, saying in 2017, "I became a conservative overnight ... I realized that liberals were actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls ... Social Autopsy is why I'm conservative"

So Correll will be happy to know some blacks will fall for his spin on who the actual racists are.

By 2017, Owens had become known in conservative circles for her pro-Trump commentary and for criticizing liberal rhetoric regarding structural racism, systemic inequality, and identity politics.[5][6][7] In 2017, she began posting politically themed videos to YouTube.[5]She launched Red Pill Black, a website and YouTube channel that promotes black conservatism in the United States.[16][17]

On November 21, 2017, at the MAGA Rally and Expo in Rockford, Illinois, Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk announced her appointment as the organization's director of urban engagement.[18] Turning Point's hiring of Owens occurred in the wake of allegations of racism at Turning Point.[5]

In April 2018, Kanye West tweeted "I love the way Candace Owens thinks."[19] The tweet was met with derision among some of West's fans.[20] In May 2018, President Donald Trump stated that Owens "is having a big impact on politics in our country. She represents an ever expanding group of very smart 'thinkers,' and it is wonderful to watch and hear the dialogue going on...so good for our Country!"[21]

Owens has appeared on fringe conspiracy websites, such as InfoWars.[2][11][6] In 2018, she was a guest host on Fox News.[2] After finding mainstream success, Owens distanced herself from the far-right conspiracy websites, although she refused to criticize InfoWars or its hosts.[2]

In May 2018, Owens suggested that "something bio-chemically happens" to women who do not marry or have children, and she linked to the Twitter handles of Sarah Silverman, Chelsea Handler and Kathy Griffin, saying that they were "evidentiary support" of this theory.[22][23] Silverman responded: "It seems to me that by tweeting this, you would like to maybe make us feel badly. I'd say this is evidenced by ur effort to use our twitter handles so we would see. My heart breaks for you, Candy. I hope you find happiness in whatever form that takes."[22] Owens responded, accusing Silverman of supporting terrorists and crime gangs.[22]

She is exactly what she appears to be.
An opportunist....enjoying her 15 minutes of fame, courtesy of some gullible alt righters.

They aren't gullible they are using her.

To to intelligent to be used. You’re just a RACIST!!!!


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And you're too stupid to see the truth.

 

[sealybobo]

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

1. You assume that the issue is that the white managers just don't like blacks. Saying "the numbers show it" is not a supporting argument.

2. But, you do inadvertently raise the issue of blacks being told their whole lives that the white hiring managers won't like them. I can see that being a factor with at least some of the black applicants

3. That bit where you were run out of the company for the sake of the black employee? That was anti-white racism, and if it happened to you, the odds that it JUST happened to you, is pretty low.

4. Your assumption that the white man hiring, is biased against minority candidates is just an assumption. Especially odd given that you have given an example of a white ceo demanding a minority VP, and cited the large number of ceos that strongly support diversity hiring and the example of google that I provided.


5. People who don't vote, often have good reasons. I have no desire for people that don't think they should vote, to vote. I trust their judgement on themselves.

6. Blacks and Poor whites are not "second class citizens". They are underserved voter groups. That they have been failed is on our political class, not on them. NOte the way that poor whites were happy to mobilize when some one came along and spoke to their interests. Liberals should consider how to speak out to black interests if they want higher voting from blacks.


7. Your need to constantly keep the flame alive of race baiting, is not something to endear you to poor whites, who pay the price for that shit.

You are right. We should let Republicans run everything like they do in Red states

Are 97 of the nation's 100 poorest counties in red states?

Please go back and actually answer the points I made.

The numbers do suggest bias. Smarter men then you understand

2. I’m glad you can see how it’s the black applicants fault. Color me shocked

3. I wasn’t run out of the company for the black guy. They overlooked his lack of sales for whatever reasons. Perhaps you can only get government contracts if you have a diverse staff so they had to keep a black. Isn’t that the companies business? You’re just an employee. You have no right to your job or even an explanation why you were let go. You’re a republican right? You sound like a union liberal socialist. Corporations can do what they want. You trust them to run your government and if they want to have diversity programs what do you care? Can’t compete? Right now there are more jobs available than people looking

5. There’s no good reason to not vote. You know republicans would lose all power or be forced to change for the better if everyone voted. You know you’d lose

6. If you don’t vote no shit the political class will ignore you. A vote is the only power we the people have to fight the lobbyists. Your partisan position is noted

7. Notice trump is always picking fights? So of course we want to control the message too.

 

[sealybobo]

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

1. You assume that the issue is that the white managers just don't like blacks. Saying "the numbers show it" is not a supporting argument.

2. But, you do inadvertently raise the issue of blacks being told their whole lives that the white hiring managers won't like them. I can see that being a factor with at least some of the black applicants

3. That bit where you were run out of the company for the sake of the black employee? That was anti-white racism, and if it happened to you, the odds that it JUST happened to you, is pretty low.

4. Your assumption that the white man hiring, is biased against minority candidates is just an assumption. Especially odd given that you have given an example of a white ceo demanding a minority VP, and cited the large number of ceos that strongly support diversity hiring and the example of google that I provided.


5. People who don't vote, often have good reasons. I have no desire for people that don't think they should vote, to vote. I trust their judgement on themselves.

6. Blacks and Poor whites are not "second class citizens". They are underserved voter groups. That they have been failed is on our political class, not on them. NOte the way that poor whites were happy to mobilize when some one came along and spoke to their interests. Liberals should consider how to speak out to black interests if they want higher voting from blacks.


7. Your need to constantly keep the flame alive of race baiting, is not something to endear you to poor whites, who pay the price for that shit.

You are right. We should let Republicans run everything like they do in Red states

Are 97 of the nation's 100 poorest counties in red states?

Please go back and actually answer the points I made.

Just look at which side started this thread. And what is the subject? Who is controlling the message and playing the race card here? Be honest

 

[IM2]

It is not ethical to discriminate against a white person, because you assume that elsewhere some other white person discriminated against a black person.


Two wrongs do not make a right.

I have a lot in common with Howard stern. He grew up in an all black neighborhood. His parents didn’t mind living in an all black neighborhood. The place was paid off. No big deal to them all the whites moved a few blocks over.

But Howard got his ass kicked. For no reason other than he was white. I did too. My brother got it worse he was a year older.

Anyways, that was the 1970s. And it’s funny my brother and I are more liberal than most whites who never even met a black. They never had the bad experiences we did. I have empathy.

But, Howard said it the other day. He certainly wasn’t accepted by the black community. High school blacks are not very nice to white kids who are in the minority

And my cousins went to a 75% white school. The black kids formed gangs.

I think it’s funny when they say black neighborhoods are safer than white. Or that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m white. Everyone in my grandmothers neighborhood had bars on the windows.

The city next to mine was just voted 3rd safest place in Oakland county. Not one black city made the list

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

 

[Correll]

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

1. You assume that the issue is that the white managers just don't like blacks. Saying "the numbers show it" is not a supporting argument.

2. But, you do inadvertently raise the issue of blacks being told their whole lives that the white hiring managers won't like them. I can see that being a factor with at least some of the black applicants

3. That bit where you were run out of the company for the sake of the black employee? That was anti-white racism, and if it happened to you, the odds that it JUST happened to you, is pretty low.

4. Your assumption that the white man hiring, is biased against minority candidates is just an assumption. Especially odd given that you have given an example of a white ceo demanding a minority VP, and cited the large number of ceos that strongly support diversity hiring and the example of google that I provided.


5. People who don't vote, often have good reasons. I have no desire for people that don't think they should vote, to vote. I trust their judgement on themselves.

6. Blacks and Poor whites are not "second class citizens". They are underserved voter groups. That they have been failed is on our political class, not on them. NOte the way that poor whites were happy to mobilize when some one came along and spoke to their interests. Liberals should consider how to speak out to black interests if they want higher voting from blacks.


7. Your need to constantly keep the flame alive of race baiting, is not something to endear you to poor whites, who pay the price for that shit.

You are right. We should let Republicans run everything like they do in Red states

Are 97 of the nation's 100 poorest counties in red states?

Please go back and actually answer the points I made.

The numbers do suggest bias. Smarter men then you understand

2. I’m glad you can see how it’s the black applicants fault. Color me shocked

3. I wasn’t run out of the company for the black guy. They overlooked his lack of sales for whatever reasons. Perhaps you can only get government contracts if you have a diverse staff so they had to keep a black. Isn’t that the companies business? You’re just an employee. You have no right to your job or even an explanation why you were let go. You’re a republican right? You sound like a union liberal socialist. Corporations can do what they want. You trust them to run your government and if they want to have diversity programs what do you care? Can’t compete? Right now there are more jobs available than people looking

5. There’s no good reason to not vote. You know republicans would lose all power or be forced to change for the better if everyone voted. You know you’d lose

6. If you don’t vote no shit the political class will ignore you. A vote is the only power we the people have to fight the lobbyists. Your partisan position is noted

7. Notice trump is always picking fights? So of course we want to control the message too.

1. Your appeal to the authority of "smarter men" is noted and dismissed. YOu still can't back it up.

2. YOu said it. And in this scenario you presented, I'm blaming more the liberals that spread the lies.

3. You were run out of companies while you were doing better than the black guy. That is racist discrimination and that you support it, is like an abused woman taking the blame for her beating.

5. Plenty of good reasons to not vote. If you know that you are completely uninformed on the issues. If your state is completely not in play, and it is a burden on you.

6. If you vote in a bloc no matter what they do, they will ignore you. The republicans didnt' ignore the white voters because they didn't vote, but because they thought they needed to pander to minorities to win. Trump proved them wrong.

7. That is not a just reason to race bait.

 

[sealybobo]

I have a lot in common with Howard stern. He grew up in an all black neighborhood. His parents didn’t mind living in an all black neighborhood. The place was paid off. No big deal to them all the whites moved a few blocks over.

But Howard got his ass kicked. For no reason other than he was white. I did too. My brother got it worse he was a year older.

Anyways, that was the 1970s. And it’s funny my brother and I are more liberal than most whites who never even met a black. They never had the bad experiences we did. I have empathy.

But, Howard said it the other day. He certainly wasn’t accepted by the black community. High school blacks are not very nice to white kids who are in the minority

And my cousins went to a 75% white school. The black kids formed gangs.

I think it’s funny when they say black neighborhoods are safer than white. Or that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m white. Everyone in my grandmothers neighborhood had bars on the windows.

The city next to mine was just voted 3rd safest place in Oakland county. Not one black city made the list

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

I really can't argue with anything you say. So then you all need to start becoming more independent and using that money you spend to influence more power.

And get those poor bastards to vote. If Republicans see 80% of the black community voted, they'd start catering to it that I can promise you.

But one thing. You think that us whites need to have bars on our windows? That's funny shit. But I guess I live in a very safe white community. You must be talking about poor white communities. Sure rapes happen in rich white neighborhoods too occasionally or burglaries but not so much that the entire community bars up their windows and doors.

I found people discussing these bars on windows in Detroit:
OK, Ive lived a few places, but have never seen a community so upset w crime, but so against security bars on windows as detroit. Yes they can be a bit of an eyesore, but Im wondering my they arent more widely used in detroit w as much crime as is talked about. Here in L.A. you even see them in decent neighborhoods. Can anyone enlighten me why detroit isnt more open to them? My home has them and I feel alot better at home or away knowing Ive at least got something to slow them down if they choose to break in.
detroit hates security bars?

I'm surprised to hear you say you rarely saw them. I know one person who claims to have made a fortune selling them in Detroit throughout the 80s and 90s. (Then again, I didn't have any on anyplace I lived back then!)

Ive grown fond of my bars, and will apply them if and when i return to the BIG D
Wow. I can't imagine becoming "fond" of security bars, and if I felt I needed them when I returned, I wouldn't be returning.
I'm not sure what's more strange - the fact that you've been gone 16 years yet make a general statement about a place where you don't live, or the fact that you say this despite there being tens of thousands of homes in the city with bars on all their windows and doors.

In some neighborhoods, nearly every home on the street has iron bars.

Because Detroit is so safe? LOL

Aesthetics aren't even the point. When a neighborhood is so dangerous that you need to have security bars on the windows, it's no longer good enough to live in, and it's time to get the heck out of there. Period.

I've always made a rule to NEVER live in an area of the city so bad that there are bars on the upper windows. On the basement windows or a security door I can get to. We have security doors and door gates and glass blocks for the basement windows. BUT I am not living anywhere with bars at the first floor main window. Absolutely not.

 

[IM2]

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

I really can't argue with anything you say. So then you all need to start becoming more independent and using that money you spend to influence more power.

And get those poor bastards to vote. If Republicans see 80% of the black community voted, they'd start catering to it that I can promise you.

But one thing. You think that us whites need to have bars on our windows? That's funny shit. But I guess I live in a very safe white community. You must be talking about poor white communities. Sure rapes happen in rich white neighborhoods too occasionally or burglaries but not so much that the entire community bars up their windows and doors.

I found people discussing these bars on windows in Detroit:
OK, Ive lived a few places, but have never seen a community so upset w crime, but so against security bars on windows as detroit. Yes they can be a bit of an eyesore, but Im wondering my they arent more widely used in detroit w as much crime as is talked about. Here in L.A. you even see them in decent neighborhoods. Can anyone enlighten me why detroit isnt more open to them? My home has them and I feel alot better at home or away knowing Ive at least got something to slow them down if they choose to break in.
detroit hates security bars?

I'm surprised to hear you say you rarely saw them. I know one person who claims to have made a fortune selling them in Detroit throughout the 80s and 90s. (Then again, I didn't have any on anyplace I lived back then!)

Ive grown fond of my bars, and will apply them if and when i return to the BIG D
Wow. I can't imagine becoming "fond" of security bars, and if I felt I needed them when I returned, I wouldn't be returning.
I'm not sure what's more strange - the fact that you've been gone 16 years yet make a general statement about a place where you don't live, or the fact that you say this despite there being tens of thousands of homes in the city with bars on all their windows and doors.

In some neighborhoods, nearly every home on the street has iron bars.

Because Detroit is so safe? LOL

Aesthetics aren't even the point. When a neighborhood is so dangerous that you need to have security bars on the windows, it's no longer good enough to live in, and it's time to get the heck out of there. Period.

I've always made a rule to NEVER live in an area of the city so bad that there are bars on the upper windows. On the basement windows or a security door I can get to. We have security doors and door gates and glass blocks for the basement windows. BUT I am not living anywhere with bars at the first floor main window. Absolutely not.

88 percent of the blacks who voted in the last election voted for Clinton. Blacks ran for offices in record numbers in 2018. We vote. We need more representation. And like I said, you live in gated communities and talk about bars on windows. Even in those gated communities, whites get robbed, raped and beaten more. I lived in a black community in a city and we had no bars on windows. You exaggerate things when it comes to negatives about blacks. Maybe you need to stop.

 

[IM2]

It's funny how white republicans lie. We blacks must stop allowing ourselves to be told what to think by democrats because the democratic party is the party of slavery.

Yet, it's white conservatives and Republicans who wave and wear the flag of the KKK. And who honor and worship the Confederacy. While they treat Confederate statues and monuments being taken down, as a personal attack against them and their "heritage." While making all of the excuses in the world for why they should be able to proudly display the same Confederate symbols, that the KKK they claim was started by the Democratic party have used. And are the ones who twist and spin, to make up reasons for why monuments, built to honor and treat the Confederate solders and leaders as "heroes" or honorable men, should stay up in public. The ones who fought to keep the same slavery that they say the Democrat party started, going.

 

[sealybobo]

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

I really can't argue with anything you say. So then you all need to start becoming more independent and using that money you spend to influence more power.

And get those poor bastards to vote. If Republicans see 80% of the black community voted, they'd start catering to it that I can promise you.

But one thing. You think that us whites need to have bars on our windows? That's funny shit. But I guess I live in a very safe white community. You must be talking about poor white communities. Sure rapes happen in rich white neighborhoods too occasionally or burglaries but not so much that the entire community bars up their windows and doors.

I found people discussing these bars on windows in Detroit:
OK, Ive lived a few places, but have never seen a community so upset w crime, but so against security bars on windows as detroit. Yes they can be a bit of an eyesore, but Im wondering my they arent more widely used in detroit w as much crime as is talked about. Here in L.A. you even see them in decent neighborhoods. Can anyone enlighten me why detroit isnt more open to them? My home has them and I feel alot better at home or away knowing Ive at least got something to slow them down if they choose to break in.
detroit hates security bars?

I'm surprised to hear you say you rarely saw them. I know one person who claims to have made a fortune selling them in Detroit throughout the 80s and 90s. (Then again, I didn't have any on anyplace I lived back then!)

Ive grown fond of my bars, and will apply them if and when i return to the BIG D
Wow. I can't imagine becoming "fond" of security bars, and if I felt I needed them when I returned, I wouldn't be returning.
I'm not sure what's more strange - the fact that you've been gone 16 years yet make a general statement about a place where you don't live, or the fact that you say this despite there being tens of thousands of homes in the city with bars on all their windows and doors.

In some neighborhoods, nearly every home on the street has iron bars.

Because Detroit is so safe? LOL

Aesthetics aren't even the point. When a neighborhood is so dangerous that you need to have security bars on the windows, it's no longer good enough to live in, and it's time to get the heck out of there. Period.

I've always made a rule to NEVER live in an area of the city so bad that there are bars on the upper windows. On the basement windows or a security door I can get to. We have security doors and door gates and glass blocks for the basement windows. BUT I am not living anywhere with bars at the first floor main window. Absolutely not.

88 percent of the blacks who voted in the last election voted for Clinton. Blacks ran for offices in record numbers in 2018. We vote. We need more representation. And like I said, you live in gated communities and talk about bars on windows. Even in those gated communities, whites get robbed, raped and beaten more. I lived in a black community in a city and we had no bars on windows. You exaggerate things when it comes to negatives about blacks. Maybe you need to stop.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. It's so obvious black communities in Michigan are the most dangerous. Maybe not where you live but the most dangerous places in MI are Flint, Saginaw and Detroit. Why? Black people.

Here is one thing you can't deny. Your communities ridiculously low test scores.

At least two-thirds of black and Hispanic students in Connecticut are behind in math or English

Students from low-income families had similar dismal results.

So blacks overall do about as well as low income whites. Congrats.

African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

I am so curious how you are going to respond.

 

[sealybobo]

This is interesting

Closing the black-white test score gap would probably do more to promote racial equality in the United States than any other strategy now under serious discussion. Judging by the currently available statistical evidence, eliminating the test score gap would sharply increase black college graduation rates, making them nearly equal to white rates. Such a change would also allow selective colleges to phase out racial preferences in admission, which have long been a flashpoint for racial conflict. Eliminating the test score gap would also reduce racial disparities in men’s earnings and would probably eliminate the racial disparities in women’s earnings.

 

[sealybobo]

I have a lot in common with Howard stern. He grew up in an all black neighborhood. His parents didn’t mind living in an all black neighborhood. The place was paid off. No big deal to them all the whites moved a few blocks over.

But Howard got his ass kicked. For no reason other than he was white. I did too. My brother got it worse he was a year older.

Anyways, that was the 1970s. And it’s funny my brother and I are more liberal than most whites who never even met a black. They never had the bad experiences we did. I have empathy.

But, Howard said it the other day. He certainly wasn’t accepted by the black community. High school blacks are not very nice to white kids who are in the minority

And my cousins went to a 75% white school. The black kids formed gangs.

I think it’s funny when they say black neighborhoods are safer than white. Or that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m white. Everyone in my grandmothers neighborhood had bars on the windows.

The city next to mine was just voted 3rd safest place in Oakland county. Not one black city made the list

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

1. You assume that the issue is that the white managers just don't like blacks. Saying "the numbers show it" is not a supporting argument.

2. But, you do inadvertently raise the issue of blacks being told their whole lives that the white hiring managers won't like them. I can see that being a factor with at least some of the black applicants

3. That bit where you were run out of the company for the sake of the black employee? That was anti-white racism, and if it happened to you, the odds that it JUST happened to you, is pretty low.

4. Your assumption that the white man hiring, is biased against minority candidates is just an assumption. Especially odd given that you have given an example of a white ceo demanding a minority VP, and cited the large number of ceos that strongly support diversity hiring and the example of google that I provided.


5. People who don't vote, often have good reasons. I have no desire for people that don't think they should vote, to vote. I trust their judgement on themselves.

6. Blacks and Poor whites are not "second class citizens". They are underserved voter groups. That they have been failed is on our political class, not on them. NOte the way that poor whites were happy to mobilize when some one came along and spoke to their interests. Liberals should consider how to speak out to black interests if they want higher voting from blacks.


7. Your need to constantly keep the flame alive of race baiting, is not something to endear you to poor whites, who pay the price for that shit.

How come you didn't bring up this argument?

rican Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.

Closing the black-white test score gap would probably do more to promote racial equality in the United States than any other strategy now under serious discussion. Judging by the currently available statistical evidence, eliminating the test score gap would sharply increase black college graduation rates, making them nearly equal to white rates. Such a change would also allow selective colleges to phase out racial preferences in admission, which have long been a flashpoint for racial conflict. Eliminating the test score gap would also reduce racial disparities in men’s earnings and would probably eliminate the racial disparities in women’s earnings.



Narrowing the test score gap would require continuous effort by both blacks and whites, and it would probably take more than one generation. But we think it can be done. This conviction rests on three facts. First, black-white differences in academic achievement have narrowed since 1970. The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) data on 17-year-olds show that the reading gap narrowed more than two-fifths between 1971 and 1994. The math gap has also narrowed, though not as much. Five major national surveys of high school seniors conducted since 1965 show the same trend. So do surveys of younger students. The gap narrowed because black children’s scores rose, not because white children’s scores fell.

The average black did about as well on the Stanford-Binet test in 1978 as the average white did in 1932.

 

[sealybobo]

I have a lot in common with Howard stern. He grew up in an all black neighborhood. His parents didn’t mind living in an all black neighborhood. The place was paid off. No big deal to them all the whites moved a few blocks over.

But Howard got his ass kicked. For no reason other than he was white. I did too. My brother got it worse he was a year older.

Anyways, that was the 1970s. And it’s funny my brother and I are more liberal than most whites who never even met a black. They never had the bad experiences we did. I have empathy.

But, Howard said it the other day. He certainly wasn’t accepted by the black community. High school blacks are not very nice to white kids who are in the minority

And my cousins went to a 75% white school. The black kids formed gangs.

I think it’s funny when they say black neighborhoods are safer than white. Or that I don’t know what I’m talking about because I’m white. Everyone in my grandmothers neighborhood had bars on the windows.

The city next to mine was just voted 3rd safest place in Oakland county. Not one black city made the list

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

This says you should probably listen to us whites

Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.

Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.

Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.



The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.



Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.

This article is great

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

 

[sealybobo]

(the way family members interact with one another and with the outside world, for example). A good explanation of why white five-year-olds have bigger vocabularies than black five-year-olds is likely to focus on how much the parents talk to their children, how they deal with their children’s questions, and how they react when their children either learn or fail to learn something, not on how much money the parents have.

 

[IM2]

1. I stand by my previous statement that it is not ethical to discriminate against a white person because you assume that somewhere else a black person is being discriminated against.

2. It is not funny that you and your brother are more liberal than "whites who never even met a black". It does raise the question of why you are empathetic to your bullies and not to your potentially fellow victims.

3. YOur personal knowledge of the violence found in black communities is interesting and I do appreciate that you do not hide it, even though it undermines your liberal political positions.

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

This says you should probably listen to us whites

Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.

Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.

Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.



The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.



Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.

This article is great

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

No it does not.

Whites need to shut up and listen.

Your asses have had everything handed to you for 242 years. We have whatever rights we have now for 53. So let's see what the black community looks like when we are at 242 years of not being overtly discriminated against. Those test score every white person tries to use when they've lost the argument have been shown to be invalid indicators of anything.

We know what the problem is and it is not what you say it is.

 

[impuretrash]

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

This says you should probably listen to us whites

Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.

Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.

Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.



The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.



Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.

This article is great

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

No it does not.

Whites need to shut up and listen.

Your asses have had everything handed to you for 242 years. We have whatever rights we have now for 53. So let's see what the black community looks like when we are at 242 years of not being overtly discriminated against. Those test score every white person tries to use when they've lost the argument have been shown to be invalid indicators of anything.

We know what the problem is and it is not what you say it is.

242 years ago people were still riding around on horses and dying of pneumonia.

 

[sealybobo]

Have you ever been in an interview with someone you knew didn’t like you? You knew it wasn’t going well?

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

This says you should probably listen to us whites

Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.

Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.

Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.



The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.



Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.

This article is great

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

No it does not.

Whites need to shut up and listen.

Your asses have had everything handed to you for 242 years. We have whatever rights we have now for 53. So let's see what the black community looks like when we are at 242 years of not being overtly discriminated against. Those test score every white person tries to use when they've lost the argument have been shown to be invalid indicators of anything.

We know what the problem is and it is not what you say it is.

I give up then. If your low test scores don't tell you anything, nothing will.

If even those results don't mean anything nothing means anything.

And thank you for telling us how long it's going to take blacks to get over past racism once it's overwith. Because lets face it for most blacks they aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis other than hearing it on the news. So you think it's going to take about another 242 years for blacks to catch up. Got it.

I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about why you don't get the jobs. You score lower on IQ tests. And did you read all the reasons/excuses that were given from both the left and right? Seems like you don't even agree with the left.

 

[IM2]

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

I really can't argue with anything you say. So then you all need to start becoming more independent and using that money you spend to influence more power.

And get those poor bastards to vote. If Republicans see 80% of the black community voted, they'd start catering to it that I can promise you.

But one thing. You think that us whites need to have bars on our windows? That's funny shit. But I guess I live in a very safe white community. You must be talking about poor white communities. Sure rapes happen in rich white neighborhoods too occasionally or burglaries but not so much that the entire community bars up their windows and doors.

I found people discussing these bars on windows in Detroit:
OK, Ive lived a few places, but have never seen a community so upset w crime, but so against security bars on windows as detroit. Yes they can be a bit of an eyesore, but Im wondering my they arent more widely used in detroit w as much crime as is talked about. Here in L.A. you even see them in decent neighborhoods. Can anyone enlighten me why detroit isnt more open to them? My home has them and I feel alot better at home or away knowing Ive at least got something to slow them down if they choose to break in.
detroit hates security bars?

I'm surprised to hear you say you rarely saw them. I know one person who claims to have made a fortune selling them in Detroit throughout the 80s and 90s. (Then again, I didn't have any on anyplace I lived back then!)

Ive grown fond of my bars, and will apply them if and when i return to the BIG D
Wow. I can't imagine becoming "fond" of security bars, and if I felt I needed them when I returned, I wouldn't be returning.
I'm not sure what's more strange - the fact that you've been gone 16 years yet make a general statement about a place where you don't live, or the fact that you say this despite there being tens of thousands of homes in the city with bars on all their windows and doors.

In some neighborhoods, nearly every home on the street has iron bars.

Because Detroit is so safe? LOL

Aesthetics aren't even the point. When a neighborhood is so dangerous that you need to have security bars on the windows, it's no longer good enough to live in, and it's time to get the heck out of there. Period.

I've always made a rule to NEVER live in an area of the city so bad that there are bars on the upper windows. On the basement windows or a security door I can get to. We have security doors and door gates and glass blocks for the basement windows. BUT I am not living anywhere with bars at the first floor main window. Absolutely not.

88 percent of the blacks who voted in the last election voted for Clinton. Blacks ran for offices in record numbers in 2018. We vote. We need more representation. And like I said, you live in gated communities and talk about bars on windows. Even in those gated communities, whites get robbed, raped and beaten more. I lived in a black community in a city and we had no bars on windows. You exaggerate things when it comes to negatives about blacks. Maybe you need to stop.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. It's so obvious black communities in Michigan are the most dangerous. Maybe not where you live but the most dangerous places in MI are Flint, Saginaw and Detroit. Why? Black people.

Here is one thing you can't deny. Your communities ridiculously low test scores.

At least two-thirds of black and Hispanic students in Connecticut are behind in math or English

Students from low-income families had similar dismal results.

So blacks overall do about as well as low income whites. Congrats.

African Americans score lower than European Americans on vocabulary, reading, and math tests, as well as on tests that claim to measure scholastic aptitude and intelligence. The gap appears before children enter kindergarten and it persists into adulthood. It has narrowed since 1970, but the typical American black still scores below 75 percent of American whites on almost every standardized test. This statistic does not imply, of course, that all blacks score below all whites. There is a lot of overlap between the two groups. Nonetheless, the test score gap is large enough to have significant social and economic consequences.

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

I am so curious how you are going to respond.

No sealy this is not the reason. I am black sealy. OK? This means I have had conversations with blacks that you have not. There are things blacks will not say to you because we already know that it's useless to try. I think that by being black I damn sure know what the problem in black communities are better than you. You have been consistently wrong and until you can understand the complete damage white racism has caused you will never get it right. You see sealy, you talk like the black community is controlled by ISIS, but there are 590,000 blacks living there. A lot of them have lived their entire lives there.

Safely.

 

[IM2]

Yes. And?

Well black people deal with white hiring managers who don't like blacks. We see that in the numbers. But black people aren't doing themselves any favors the way they act. And white hiring managers may pick up on those slight differences. For example if he talks with a black affect, imagine how he talks once he's comfortably working there. And if you don't like working with the guy you can't get rid of him like you can a white guy. That is stone cold fact. I've been run out of companies when I was doing better than the black guy, who they were tenderly nurturing towards success.

I'm not saying hire a less qualified black or woman I'm saying look beyond your bias and maybe give the minority or woman a chance seeing as how 95% of the bosses are all white men.

But if you have any kind of red flag it is your right as an employer to not hire someone.

I'm just about done arguing for the other side. It's like arguing with people in Israel and trying to tell them they aren't 100% right in their struggles with the Palestinians. A Jew, like a black, will never admit one fault of their own.

And they don't even vote. They are rightfully second class citizens. Any class of people who doesn't vote should be treated as such. Same thing happens to poor white neighborhoods. They are to blame for themselves. They refuse to assimilate and politicians don't care about people who don't vote.

And Republican politicians don't give a fuck about poor white people because they have their votes already based on racism, god, guns and gays. No need to bring economic opportunity to their dumb asses.

Why do you continue lying to yourself? You are white telling us blacks how we are wrong and it's not based in any understanding of the destructive nature of racism. You talk about how we act. How do we act sealybobo?

You whites have an interesting perspective that allows you to miss all the wrongs your race commits in order to declare your victimhood. You say you got beat up only because you were white. No you didn't. You are unable to understand the anger you got was due to years of white racism those blacks face. I say black communities have less crime than white ones because that's what 25 years of Uniform Crime Reports say. Whites don't have bars on their windows and get robbed, raped and vandalized more than anyone else. Then you read or hear the same comment every time, "I can't believe this happened, we don't live in that kind of community."

We are not jews in Israel who are expanding settlements into Palestinian territory while claiming how terrible the Palestinians are. You are white and whites have been telling us what to do since 1776. Everything whites tell us to do, they've never done it. You have nothing to tell me because you ignore the root cause of the problem. Whites have what they do because they made laws at every level to provide them with an advantage. Historical white racism has been the problem in the Detroit metro area just like everywhere else. In 1993 I helped file a class action lawsuit for racial discrimination against a corporation HQ'd in Detroit.

Blacks are angry about how we have been treated. We know what our problems are and what created them. You don't. And that has always been the problem with you white liberals. You think you have suggestions we need to hear and none of it ever addresses the root cause or it's compound effects on black people.

This says you should probably listen to us whites

Third, when black or mixed-race children are raised in white rather than black homes, their pre-adolescent test scores rise dramatically. These adoptees’ scores seem to fall in adolescence, but this could easily be because their social and cultural environment comes to resemble that of other black teenagers.

Traditional explanations for the black-white test score gap have not stood up well to the test of time. During the 1960s, most liberals blamed the gap on some combination of black poverty, racial segregation, and inadequate funding of black schools. Since then, the number of affluent black families has grown dramatically, but their children’s test scores still lag far behind those of white children from equally affluent families. School desegregation may have played some role in reducing the black-white test score gap in the South, but school desegregation also seems to have costs for blacks, and when we compare initially similar students in today’s schools, those who attend desegregated schools learn only slightly more than those in segregated schools.

Recent evidence suggests that disparities in school resources do affect achievement, but resource disparities between black and white children have shrunk steadily over time. The average black child now attends school in a district that spends as much per pupil as the average white child’s district. Black children’s schools also have about the same number of teachers per pupil as white schools. Predominantly white schools seem to attract more skilled teachers than black schools, but while black students who attend predominantly white schools probably benefit from having better teachers, this advantage seems to be offset by the social costs of being in an overwhelmingly white environment. In any event, schools cannot be the main reason for the black-white test score gap, because it appears before children enter school and persists even when black and white children attend the same schools. If schools play an important role in perpetuating the gap, either desegregated schools must be treating black and white children very differently or else black and white children must react very differently to the same treatment.



The three most common “conservative” explanations for the black-white gap-genes, the culture of poverty, and single motherhood-are also hard to reconcile with the available evidence. There is no direct genetic evidence for or against the theory that the black-white gap is innate, because we have not yet identified the genes that affect skills like reading, math, and abstract reasoning. Studies of mixed-race children and black children adopted by white parents suggest, however, that racial differences in test performance are largely if not entirely environmental in origin.



Cultural differences associated with chronic poverty may account for some of the black-white test score gap, but they cannot be the main explanation, since the gap persists among affluent children. And while children raised by single mothers score lower on most standardized tests than children raised by married couples, this difference almost disappears once we take account of the fact that women who become single mothers come from less advantaged families, have lower test scores, and complete less schooling than women with husbands.

This article is great

The Black-White Test Score Gap: Why It Persists and What Can Be Done

No it does not.

Whites need to shut up and listen.

Your asses have had everything handed to you for 242 years. We have whatever rights we have now for 53. So let's see what the black community looks like when we are at 242 years of not being overtly discriminated against. Those test score every white person tries to use when they've lost the argument have been shown to be invalid indicators of anything.

We know what the problem is and it is not what you say it is.

I give up then. If your low test scores don't tell you anything, nothing will.

If even those results don't mean anything nothing means anything.

And thank you for telling us how long it's going to take blacks to get over past racism once it's overwith. Because lets face it for most blacks they aren't dealing with it on a day to day basis other than hearing it on the news. So you think it's going to take about another 242 years for blacks to catch up. Got it.

I'm not talking about rights. I'm talking about why you don't get the jobs. You score lower on IQ tests. And did you read all the reasons/excuses that were given from both the left and right? Seems like you don't even agree with the left.

Unfortunately for you this is not a matter of blacks getting over racism. It is a matter of being able to build the same kinds of community networks whites have had 242 years to build. I probably scored higher than you did on those tests and those tests are not why we don't get the jobs. You have heard of BFOQ's haven't you?

Why is it that you whites who can't figure out how to stop yourselves from mass shootings think you are an expert on what blacks face? I do not agree with your assessment given that the tests you are talking about are not accurate measures of overall intelligence. All you have been trying to do is find something where you can tell me how we need to listen to whites.

I say we don't and that is not going to change. We know what the problem has been. And we know that the problem continues. Until we are able to equip many of our communities with the same type of development that's in the burbs there are going to be problems. Alluding to test scores does not solve the problem of the lack of economic development in many black communities.