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Disproven by their existence in all of the other western nations that have single payer healthcare systems.
....because they could rely on profit-driven America to develop and invent the medical improvements they required.
1. I'm always amazed that folks who would never go into the boss's office and suggest that their salary be cut, deny the essential nature of capitalism.
2. The devil, as usual, is in the details. The unspoken and unrecognized assumption is that there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services. The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state.
a. To believe this, one must accept that there exists some equation by which the state can fairly and honestly control human exchange. Here we go: increasing taxes to increase programs to increase happiness to allow equality all of which ends up in dictatorship.
b. There is the adolescent standing aside the street sweeper, who presents himself to government demanding compensation based on his needs, or his goodness, in equality to the physician urging on him the courage to demand his equal pay! The Leftist has a simple prescription for the inequality of pay you, the taxpayer, pay him more.
c. Marxism: tax the surgeon more so the good-willed other will feel momentarily better, implementing their vision of a perfect world, a Utopia.
3. If the Leftist is interested in a more fair redistribution of wealth, let him vote for lower taxes, and then he can distribute his now larger share of his wealth to the lesser compensated folks.
a. Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a fair price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price else his potential customers will take their business to others. Unless he has the power of government!
The above from "The Secret Knowledge," by David Mamet, chapter 32
[MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]
Allegation without evidence to substantiate it!
Because profits are the driving motivational factor which has turned the U.S. into the world's ultimate super power - including & especially in - the healthcare sector. You're idiot socialist policies (which have collapsed nations) have a track record of creating god-awful 3rd world healthcare. You don't get to do that to me. You're rights end where my begin.
Furthermore, inept parents who do not properly budget for potential healthcare costs and instead spend on frivolous items such as iPhone's and plasma tv's are not my problem and not your convenient sob-story.
Would you try again [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]? Maybe try something built on fact and intellect instead of trying to play on emotion with false sob-stories? I'm just say'n....
How ironic given that you base your position on nothing but deliberate mischaracterizations and disinformation.
Says the woman with the fictional child dying with no healthcare and the fictional parents going into debt over it....
I don't suppose you could specifically cite which part of my post was "disinformation" and "mischaracterization"? The fact that you didn't specifically cite it in your response above kind of speaks volumes, wouldn't you say?
My family values state that you don't get to hurt my family because you were too inept to care for yours. Is that clear enough for you? If not, I would be glad to expand on that further - just let me know.
By the way, here's something else for you to chew on. Read it slowly and really think about it [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]:
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat
Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of comprehending what it means to belong to a civilized society.
Thank you for confirming that you are incompetent - believing that giving you a right to steal from me is what dictates a society as being "civilized"...
I mean, seriously [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if this is the most "intelligent" response you have, you've pretty much lost the debate on the intellectual battlefield.
Did you even read Bastiat's quote? Are you too brainwashed by the liberal propaganda machine to even comprehend it's meaning?
How ironic given that you base your position on nothing but deliberate mischaracterizations and disinformation.
Says the woman with the fictional child dying with no healthcare and the fictional parents going into debt over it....
I don't suppose you could specifically cite which part of my post was "disinformation" and "mischaracterization"? The fact that you didn't specifically cite it in your response above kind of speaks volumes, wouldn't you say?
Which part of your own words specifically cited above don't you comprehend, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]?
My family values state that you don't get to hurt my family because you were too inept to care for yours. Is that clear enough for you? If not, I would be glad to expand on that further - just let me know.
By the way, here's something else for you to chew on. Read it slowly and really think about it [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]:
"Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all." -Frédéric Bastiat
Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of comprehending what it means to belong to a civilized society.
[MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]
Just to expand on Mr. Bastiat's quote further here [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if you care so much - as you falsely keep claiming you do (and what a sad thing to do incidentally) - why don't you become a doctor and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them? Or why don't you start your own hospital and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them?
(Answer: because you're greedy and could give a fuck about people in need. You're just trying to fleece the American people for free healthcare for you.)
So what you're saying is you want to lower the United States to the level of the rest of the world:
By the way - part of the beauty of the United States is that we don't hold our citizens behind brick walls guarded by soldiers with fully automatic weapons like the former U.S.S.R. and Germany. In other words, if another nation is so great, you can leave any time you want.
So the question becomes - why don't you? Kind of speaks volumes, doesn't it?
The onus is on [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] to substantiate that allegation!
Uh, my dear, you substantiated that yourself by citing your desire to change the U.S. healthcare system to what the rest of the world has....
Are you drunk right now [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]?
....because they could rely on profit-driven America to develop and invent the medical improvements they required.
1. I'm always amazed that folks who would never go into the boss's office and suggest that their salary be cut, deny the essential nature of capitalism.
2. The devil, as usual, is in the details. The unspoken and unrecognized assumption is that there exists some mechanism that can distribute goods and services. The only such mechanism is, and must be, the totalitarian state.
a. To believe this, one must accept that there exists some equation by which the state can fairly and honestly control human exchange. Here we go: increasing taxes to increase programs to increase happiness to allow equality all of which ends up in dictatorship.
b. There is the adolescent standing aside the street sweeper, who presents himself to government demanding compensation based on his needs, or his goodness, in equality to the physician urging on him the courage to demand his equal pay! The Leftist has a simple prescription for the inequality of pay you, the taxpayer, pay him more.
c. Marxism: tax the surgeon more so the good-willed other will feel momentarily better, implementing their vision of a perfect world, a Utopia.
3. If the Leftist is interested in a more fair redistribution of wealth, let him vote for lower taxes, and then he can distribute his now larger share of his wealth to the lesser compensated folks.
a. Illustrative of reality is the fact that the Leftist refrains from paying above the stated price for goods and services he wants, as everyone else does, competition between said services. Only then does he stand a chance of getting a fair price. In his own enterprise, he strives to improve quality or lower price else his potential customers will take their business to others. Unless he has the power of government!
The above from "The Secret Knowledge," by David Mamet, chapter 32
[MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]
Allegation without evidence to substantiate it!
You need to pay attention sweetie. You're responding to a post by Political Chic - so why are you asking me to "substantiate" anything?
It's her post - address any specifics with her. I'll address any specifics you'd like with my posts.
Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of comprehending what it means to belong to a civilized society.
Thank you for confirming that you are incompetent - believing that giving you a right to steal from me is what dictates a society as being "civilized"...
I mean, seriously [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if this is the most "intelligent" response you have, you've pretty much lost the debate on the intellectual battlefield.
Did you even read Bastiat's quote? Are you too brainwashed by the liberal propaganda machine to even comprehend it's meaning?
More irony from [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
The onus is on [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] to substantiate that allegation!
Uh, my dear, you substantiated that yourself by citing your desire to change the U.S. healthcare system to what the rest of the world has....
Are you drunk right now [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]?
Failure to substantiate when called upon means that [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] defaults and concedes his position!
Says the woman with the fictional child dying with no healthcare and the fictional parents going into debt over it....
I don't suppose you could specifically cite which part of my post was "disinformation" and "mischaracterization"? The fact that you didn't specifically cite it in your response above kind of speaks volumes, wouldn't you say?
Which part of your own words specifically cited above don't you comprehend, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]?
The one's which you falsely claim were "disinformation" and "mischaracterization". You've now had two opportunities to specifically cite what was inaccurate and back it up with facts. The fact that you can't proves you lied and I was right.
Game. Set. Match.
Furthermore, inept parents who do not properly budget for potential healthcare costs and instead spend on frivolous items such as iPhone's and plasma tv's are not my problem and not your convenient sob-story.
Would you try again @Derideo_Te? Maybe try something built on fact and intellect instead of trying to play on emotion with false sob-stories?
Thank you for confirming that you are incompetent - believing that giving you a right to steal from me is what dictates a society as being "civilized"...
I mean, seriously [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if this is the most "intelligent" response you have, you've pretty much lost the debate on the intellectual battlefield.
Did you even read Bastiat's quote? Are you too brainwashed by the liberal propaganda machine to even comprehend it's meaning?
More irony from [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
The woman who says that I'm not "capable of comprehending" what it means to be part of a "civilized society" because I won't allow her to steal from me wants to talk about irony now....
Sweetie, what is more uncivilized than people stealing and acting like thugs? You have no right to what I have. None. You have no moral grounds to it. No legal grounds to it. No constitutional grounds to it. No religious grounds to it.
You want to bring back slavery and have me labor on your behalf because you can't afford something you want or need. Sorry, it's not happening. Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans outlawed slavery in the 1860's after we won the Civil War. And you Dumbocrats have been trying to bring slavery back ever since. You lost the Civil War. Get over it already. And learn to take care of yourself like a big girl.
Thank you for confirming that you are incapable of comprehending what it means to belong to a civilized society.
[MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]
Just to expand on Mr. Bastiat's quote further here [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if you care so much - as you falsely keep claiming you do (and what a sad thing to do incidentally) - why don't you become a doctor and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them? Or why don't you start your own hospital and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them?
(Answer: because you're greedy and could give a fuck about people in need. You're just trying to fleece the American people for free healthcare for you.)
Irony squared from [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
More irony from [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
The woman who says that I'm not "capable of comprehending" what it means to be part of a "civilized society" because I won't allow her to steal from me wants to talk about irony now....
Sweetie, what is more uncivilized than people stealing and acting like thugs? You have no right to what I have. None. You have no moral grounds to it. No legal grounds to it. No constitutional grounds to it. No religious grounds to it.
You want to bring back slavery and have me labor on your behalf because you can't afford something you want or need. Sorry, it's not happening. Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans outlawed slavery in the 1860's after we won the Civil War. And you Dumbocrats have been trying to bring slavery back ever since. You lost the Civil War. Get over it already. And learn to take care of yourself like a big girl.
Once again [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] proves that he doesn't understand the concept of a civilized society! For that matter [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] doesn't seem to comprehend that taxation is both legal and constitutional!
Uh, my dear, you substantiated that yourself by citing your desire to change the U.S. healthcare system to what the rest of the world has....
Are you drunk right now [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]?
Failure to substantiate when called upon means that [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] defaults and concedes his position!
I didn't need to "substantiate" - you had already done it for me. This is like someone claiming another person needs to add a citation for something which that person had already added a citation for...
Sorry sweetie, I absolutely whipped you in this debate and you know it. Own it. Be a big girl, and own it.
Just to expand on Mr. Bastiat's quote further here [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION], if you care so much - as you falsely keep claiming you do (and what a sad thing to do incidentally) - why don't you become a doctor and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them? Or why don't you start your own hospital and serve people who desperately need healthcare by not charging them?
(Answer: because you're greedy and could give a fuck about people in need. You're just trying to fleece the American people for free healthcare for you.)
Irony squared from [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
The strength of her arguments have degraded severely since I joined the discussion and exposed her flawed beliefs. Now she's regressed all the way to nonsensical, one line snarky comments.
This is the equivalent of a boxer being so badly beaten in the ring, their verbal communications are relegated to gibberish after the fight...
The woman who says that I'm not "capable of comprehending" what it means to be part of a "civilized society" because I won't allow her to steal from me wants to talk about irony now....
Sweetie, what is more uncivilized than people stealing and acting like thugs? You have no right to what I have. None. You have no moral grounds to it. No legal grounds to it. No constitutional grounds to it. No religious grounds to it.
You want to bring back slavery and have me labor on your behalf because you can't afford something you want or need. Sorry, it's not happening. Abraham Lincoln and the Republicans outlawed slavery in the 1860's after we won the Civil War. And you Dumbocrats have been trying to bring slavery back ever since. You lost the Civil War. Get over it already. And learn to take care of yourself like a big girl.
Once again [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] proves that he doesn't understand the concept of a civilized society! For that matter [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] doesn't seem to comprehend that taxation is both legal and constitutional!
Sweetie, taxes are to run the government. All responsibilities of the federal government (such as defense) are outlined in the Constitution and thus legal grounds for taxation. Healthcare is not one of them.
Want to try again?
Which part of your own words specifically cited above don't you comprehend, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]?
The one's which you falsely claim were "disinformation" and "mischaracterization". You've now had two opportunities to specifically cite what was inaccurate and back it up with facts. The fact that you can't proves you lied and I was right.
Game. Set. Match.
These are you own words, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION], where you are deliberately mischaracterizing other people as "inept parent" and you then regurgitate disinformation that they "spend on frivolous items such as iPhone's and plasma tv's "!
Furthermore, inept parents who do not properly budget for potential healthcare costs and instead spend on frivolous items such as iPhone's and plasma tv's are not my problem and not your convenient sob-story.
Would you try again [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]? Maybe try something built on fact and intellect instead of trying to play on emotion with false sob-stories?
That [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] is incapable of comprehending his own posts explains why he cannot substantiate his own allegations either.
Once again [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] proves that he doesn't understand the concept of a civilized society! For that matter [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] doesn't seem to comprehend that taxation is both legal and constitutional!
Sweetie, taxes are to run the government. All responsibilities of the federal government (such as defense) are outlined in the Constitution and thus legal grounds for taxation. Healthcare is not one of them.
Want to try again?
The "Welfare of the People" covers healthcare and the Supreme Court not only found it constitutional but it also upheld the right to tax you for healthcare, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
Failure to substantiate when called upon means that [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] defaults and concedes his position!
I didn't need to "substantiate" - you had already done it for me. This is like someone claiming another person needs to add a citation for something which that person had already added a citation for...
Sorry sweetie, I absolutely whipped you in this debate and you know it. Own it. Be a big girl, and own it.
Evidence that [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION] is drowning in denial!
Sweetie, taxes are to run the government. All responsibilities of the federal government (such as defense) are outlined in the Constitution and thus legal grounds for taxation. Healthcare is not one of them.
Want to try again?
The "Welfare of the People" covers healthcare and the Supreme Court not only found it constitutional but it also upheld the right to tax you for healthcare, [MENTION=30955]Rottweiler[/MENTION]!
"welfare of the people" does NOT exist in the Constitution sweetie. You will not find that phrase anywhere in the Constitution. My God, you are humiliating yourself in front of the world here (you do realize a website can be viewed by anyone in the world, don't you [MENTION=42916]Derideo_Te[/MENTION]????).
Since you're really ignorant of the Constitution, I'm going to throw you a bone here and see if I can help you out. Did you mean "promote the general welfare" which is found in the preamble of the Constitution?
