Democrats who were in the Klan.

[JimBowie1958]

It's also 100% hypocrisy for the Republicans to pretend they had nothing to do with it since they welcomed that element into their party when they fled the Dems.

Another Dem lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

 

[JimBowie1958]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

 

[Pogo]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Nixon won re-election in a landslide in 1972, and the myth spun by Democrats is that this was the result of the white racists of the South swinging over in a Great Reversal to the Republican PArty.

That's stupid. Nobody has ever claimed that.
Strawman much?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Red:
I don't know that I'd call it hypocritical, but "inaccurate" is what I'd call it. One can easily show that the KKK and it's members' values were what were considered "conservative values" from the day the Klan was created right up to today. To say they were and remain the values of a given party is simply not so. The sociopolitical stance of the two major parties has shifted and with that shift, racists' party affiliation has shifted.

Oh, so if we put the actual people aside and what parties they were in and ignore which parties policies were targeted to keeping blacks segregated and impoverished for generations and instead use this nifty neato-keeno 2 dimensional horsehit political spectrum to illustrate everything, then we can see, if we squint our eyes really tight and lean way to the left that, yes, the Republicans are now the party of the KKK.....roflmao what a bunch of ignorant ass propaganda.

My God, you have no shame 320, none whatso ever.

The KKK was DEMOCRAT!

Own it, the historical record doesnt change, bubba.

 

[WheelieAddict]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

 

[Pogo]

The KKK was DEMOCRAT!

Nope, it wasn't. Burden of proof is all yours.

Actually I've been putting that challenge up for three years. Have yet to get an answer. Not one.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement

As a secret vigilante group, the Klan

the Original KKK was a Democrat organization from start to finish in its first incarnation.

It was a Democratic resistance to northern Yankee Republican occupation

Composition Fallacy:
As I alluded to earlier, Crixus' assertion about the relationship between and nascence of the "legacy" KKK and the Democratic Party is factually inaccurate and rationally unsupportable. The Klan was an organization created by people who were Democrats. The Democratic Party did not create the KKK.

Recall what Crixus wrote and my response to what he wrote:

the Democrat party invented and propagated the Klan

1. The Democratic party did not invent the KKK.
2. The Democratic party that exists today has little but a name in common with the Democratic party prior to the late 20th century.

I'm not aiming to revise history; I'm asking tacitly that folks retell it accurately. Democratic individuals founding of the KKK is not the same thing as the Democratic Party creating the KKK. I'm not at all denying that the original or later KKK was an organization of which the vast majority (if not all) of members were Democrats.

It's also worth noting that back then Democrats were the conservatives in the American political ethos. Then as now, the bigots and racists, the KKK in particular, allied itself with conservatives. That hasn't changed, but the major party that is conservative has shifted from being the Democratic Party to being the Republican Party.

• Republicans Used to Be Liberal, Democrats Conservative. Here’s What Happened

If there's any revisionist history being told in this conversation, it's that of folks who are presenting the Democratic and Republican Parties as though they are today the same ideologically as they were some 60 years ago and before. They simply not.

• The Transformation of the Republican and Democratic Party Coalitions in the U.S.

ROFLMAO, you nitwit, you might want to try READING WHAT I POST BEFORE SHOOTING YOUR MOUTH OFF.

The racists in the Democratic Party both in the past and today are not conservative and did none of that due to anything more than to protect what they saw as their economic interests.

There was nothing "conservative" about what the KKK did, or with Jim Crow or any of the rest of it. The Eugenics movement was a Progressive movement not conservative at all and has been denounced by every internationally conservative Western think tank and religious organization from the time those Democrat snakes raised their evil little slitty eyes.

None of which changes the basic FACTS; DEMOCRATS OWN THE KKK AND ALWAYS HAVE.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

"Ooooh, those inconvenient FACTS are in the past..." No shit, idiot.

And Duke did not endorse Trump and the White Nationalists have a long track record of claiming people that have ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with them, like they have claimed Taylor Swift and Ben Garrison and others, you fucking moron.

 

[Pogo]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Rump is basically mimicking what the Know Nothing Party was doing 160 years ago --- screaming about immigrants, starting riots and pushing for a jingoistic "one hundred percent American" fantasy. If the Klan had any ideological forebears, the Know Nothings would be it --- they stood for exactly the same thing, word for word.

Rump -- an Immigration Know-Nothing, Dangerous for Republicans

 

[Pogo]

The racists in the Democratic Party both in the past and today are not conservative and did none of that due to anything more than to protect what they saw as their economic interests.

You can't be a racist and NOT be conservative. In fact the second part of the sentence above proceeds to describe exactly that.

There was nothing "conservative" about what the KKK did, or with Jim Crow or any of the rest of it.

** EVERYTHING ** the Klan did was conservative, literally everything.
Trying to preserve white supremacy?
Whipping adulterers and people who don't go to church?
And gamblers?
And drinkers?
Gays? Immigrants?

Are you fucking stupid?

 

[WheelieAddict]

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

"Ooooh, those inconvenient FACTS are in the past..." No shit, idiot.

And Duke did not endorse Trump and the White Nationalists have a long track record of claiming people that have ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with them, like they have claimed Taylor Swift and Ben Garrison and others, you fucking moron.

Duke adores Trump. Former KKK Leader David Duke Says 'Of Course' Trump Voters Are His Voters

The point I have made and that you are trying to spin away from is that white nationalists (aka the KKK) are voting for Trump and the republican party, not Clinton and the democratic party. This is fact, and destroys your stupid "KKK are all democrats!" narrative.

 

[Moonglow]

 

[Pogo]

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

"Ooooh, those inconvenient FACTS are in the past..." No shit, idiot.

And Duke did not endorse Trump and the White Nationalists have a long track record of claiming people that have ZERO, ZILCH, NADA to do with them, like they have claimed Taylor Swift and Ben Garrison and others, you fucking moron.

Duke adores Trump. Former KKK Leader David Duke Says 'Of Course' Trump Voters Are His Voters

The point I have made and that you are trying to spin away from is that white nationalists (aka the KKK) are voting for Trump and the republican party, not Clinton and the democratic party. This is fact, and destroys your stupid "KKK are all democrats!" narrative.

Looks like he ran away when I challenged him to back it up.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

 

[Pogo]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

That is kind of delicious irony --- "defeat the corrupt élites" in the same sentence with Donald Rump, an élite who's been neck-deep in corruption all his life. Duke sure ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower.

All that "America first" and "protect our borders" song and dance though --- straight out of the Know Nothings.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

That is kind of delicious irony --- "defeat the corrupt élites" in the same sentence with Donald Rump, an élite who's been neck-deep in corruption all his life. Duke sure ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower.

All that "America first" and "protect our borders" song and dance though --- straight out of the Know Nothings.

D. Duke is not the brightest bulb, but neither are Trump's supporters.

 

[Pogo]

Unfortunately for Republicans the KKK now flocks to their party. Especially with nationalist Trump as leader.

Another total fucking stupid ass libtard Dem lie.

You fucktards just cant help yourself any more, can you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/14825004/

Your link is about the past. White nationalists are ecstatic about Trump. David Duke, a Republican white nationalist is a huge supporter. You think they support the Democrat Hillary instead? Get real bud.

That is kind of delicious irony --- "defeat the corrupt élites" in the same sentence with Donald Rump, an élite who's been neck-deep in corruption all his life. Duke sure ain't the brightest bulb in the light tower.

All that "America first" and "protect our borders" song and dance though --- straight out of the Know Nothings.

D. Duke is not the brightest bulb, but neither are Trump's supporters.

I'm still tickled to death that Dukie gets way more support from black people than Rump does.

Not that he gets much, but --- when you've got a ponty-headed Klanner getting fourteen times more black vote than your own campaign.... you have YUUUUUGE problems.

 

[320 Years of History]

It's kind of pathetic to watch.

This is the only part of that post with which I take particular exception. Watching folks "waddle" about isn't pathetic; it's the "waddling" that is pathetic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So the Democrat party invented and propagated the Klan, and to this day are still extremely racist to this day. Look at Chicago, Detroit, the 4th ward here in Houston (which is getting better because the folks who live there stopped listening to house negro's like Shell Jackson Lee, a carpet bagger from no new Youk). Anyway, I figure a list of famous Klan members that were and are democrats, so here go's.

1. Justice Hugo L. Black a supreme court justice who never left or disavowed the organization.

2. William McKinley a republican. Dang, one for one!

3. Woodrow Wilson, damn, imagine the scandal if a modern president was found to be Klan member, and wasn't a Republican. And democrats, even Bammer canonized this dreg. What a dummy.

4. Warren G. Harding. Dang.

Looking at the list, there is way to many racist democrats to list. Seriously, do a serch on it.

Democrat means what?

How many of them were liberals? None? Oh, well that changes thing, they were conservatives.

 

[320 Years of History]

Red:
I don't know that I'd call it hypocritical, but "inaccurate" is what I'd call it. One can easily show that the KKK and it's members' values were what were considered "conservative values" from the day the Klan was created right up to today. To say they were and remain the values of a given party is simply not so. The sociopolitical stance of the two major parties has shifted and with that shift, racists' party affiliation has shifted.

Oh, so if we put the actual people aside and what parties they were in and ignore which parties policies were targeted to keeping blacks segregated and impoverished for generations and instead use this nifty neato-keeno 2 dimensional horsehit political spectrum to illustrate everything, then we can see, if we squint our eyes really tight and lean way to the left that, yes, the Republicans are now the party of the KKK.....roflmao what a bunch of ignorant ass propaganda.

My God, you have no shame 320, none whatso ever.

The KKK was DEMOCRAT!

Own it, the historical record doesnt change, bubba.

"The Trees":
The rebuttals I've presented highlight the distinction between the following --

• creating a thing vs. enabling a thing's development,
• encouraging a thing's creation/development vs. acquiescing to a thing's existence/development

-- and call observers to refrain from (1) oversimplifying the matter and/or (2) exaggerating the matter.

As goes the discussion at hand, there are several "things" in play:

• the KKK organization itself,
• the attitudes the KKK's members espoused,
• the activities in which the KKK's members engaged, and
• the party to which the KKK's members belong(ed).

Looking back at how and over what point I involved myself in this thread (post #100), you'll note that I focused on one assertion the OP provides as a premise for the remainder of the post. That assertion is that "the Democrat party invented ... the Klan." That assertion is false. The Democratic Party, quite simply, did not invent the Klan. The content found at the first link I included in post #100 makes that clear.

Now you can accuse me of presenting a revisionist version of history as goes the one point I made; indeed you have done exactly that in this thread. Be that as it may, your accusation holds no water because you have yet to provide any evidence that the Democratic Party of the 1860s invented/created the KKK. You have not because none exists that it did and there is solid evidence that a band of Tennessee college students did create the KKK.

We can play philosophical games with which fallacy or blend thereof be the one(s) in play, but doing so is of little value because no matter which one it is, the undeniable fact is that the Party was not the creator of the KKK. That makes the argument invalid, regardless of the applicable fallacy(s), because it rests on a factually false premise.


"The Forest":
As for the big picture, the OP relies on a "guilt by association" line of ad hominem argumentation. Though often ad hominem lines of argument are fallacious, that one is not insofar as one is describing the Democrats and the Democratic Party extant in the days of Justice Black and Presidents Wilson, Harding and McKinley. That the OP's position is illustrative of one of the exceptions to the "guilt by association" fallacy is why I did not take exception with it.

The problem with the rest of the OP is that it attempts to equate the Democratic Party of Black, Wilson, et al with 2016's Democratic Party. Well, that too I've shown to be a factually inaccurate representation of 2016's Democratic Party. That was the point of the second link in post #100.

I have not denied that the pre-1990s Democratic Party was the party of racists and bigots. Why haven't I? Because the "Dixiecrats" didn't make a singular mass migration to the GOP immediately upon the ratification of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965. When did Southern Democrats flock to the GOP? Mostly during the Reagan and Goldwater years. That's something of an oversimplification, but if one is to hone in on key single moments in time, they are the most significant ones in modern times.

• Construction of the Racist Republican
  • Half a century ago, though he was not a racist, Barry Goldwater’s “Southern strategy” certainly contributed to the rift that still exists between the GOP and black voters because it aligned his campaign with segregationists. Even after the South’s racial attitudes were more comfortably integrated with the rest of the United States, sincere clashes in ideologies—and some inept positioning on the part of Ronald Reagan—did not heal that rift.
    
    
  • Harkening back to the ideological foundations of Barry Goldwater, which promoted federalism, and expressing the belief that the country’s culture on race had changed since 1964, Reagan pushed to lessen the federal government’s role in all American life including aspects concerned with civil rights. In fact, from his first inaugural address in which he laid out his philosophical vision, he attempted to shift the national conversation to a more universalist approach to governing with less emphasis on special interests.
    
    He contended “this administration’s objective will be a healthy, vigorous, growing economy that provides equal opportunities for all Americans, with no barriers born of bigotry or discrimination.” This coincided with a conservative interpretation of fairness, which demands a society in which there is as even a playing field as possible but no expectations about results. As a consequence, Reagan’s policies often ran counter to perceived minority interests.
    
    One problem was Reagan’s style over his substance: a general lack of understanding on the Great Communicator’s part when it came to getting his message across to people of color. After all, George Wallace who had clearly been a segregationist for much of his career—who had quite literally stood in the schoolhouse door to stop black advancement—was able to win over an amazing number of black voters in his twilight years in politics.
    
• Lee Atwater’s Infamous 1981 Interview on the Southern Strategy
  
  • It has become, for liberals and leftists enraged by the way Republicans never suffer the consequences for turning electoral politics into a cesspool, a kind of smoking gun. The late, legendarily brutal campaign consultant Lee Atwater explains how Republicans can win the vote of racists without sounding racist themselves:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “******, ******, ******.” By 1968 you can’t say “******”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “******, ******.”​

• DOG WHISTLE POLITICS HOW CODED RACIAL APPEALS HAVE REINVENTED RACISM AND WRECKED THE MIDDLE CLASS
  
  • Campaigning for president, Ronald Reagan liked to tell stories of Cadillac-driving “welfare queens” and “strapping young bucks” buying T-bone steaks with food stamps. In flogging these tales about the perils of welfare run amok, Reagan always denied any racism and emphasized he never mentioned race. He didn’t need to because he was blowing a dog whistle.
    
  • Reagan’s presidency also corresponded with the conservative popularization of colorblindness, which urges everyone to avoid race as the surest way to get past racial problems. This racial etiquette is widely embraced, including among liberals, yet colorblindness bolsters dog whistle politics in numerous ways.

So while, yes, it's accurate to depict the "legacy" Democratic Party as the home of racist policy and ideology, it's downright disingenuous to cast 2016's Democratic party that way. It is that disingenuousness that I have taken exception with in as I've sought to discredit the merit of the OP's thesis and your claims about today's Democratic Party.

Do I take shame in my remarks that "fairly present in all material respects?" Not one bit! The folks who should be ashamed of themselves are they who aim to misrepresent the present by associating it with the past. Times and people change. Racists haven't changed their views, but they have in the main changed their party preference from the Democratic Party to the GOP. And like the Democratic Party of the pre-1990s, neither the GOP nor its current Presidential candidate has told racists to "get out of the GOP and go form their own party for they are not welcome in the GOP."


Sidebar:

In the preface to Lopez's book, one finds the following historically accurate anecdote:

As a contemporary of Obama’s at Harvard Law, let me add my voice to the chorus of those saying that Obama was no militant minority. Obama did not study with [Derrick] Bell, nor take any course that focused on race and American law. On a campus highly polarized around racial issues, as it was in those years, this may have been an early harbinger of Obama’s tendency to hold himself aloof from racial contentions. Th en there was Obama’s election to the prestigious presidency of the Harvard Law Review . It’s widely known that Obama won as the consensus candidate after conservative and liberal factions fought themselves to exhaustion.

Less well known is that these camps were racially identifi ed, with almost all of the African American review members and their allies on one side. When conservatives threw their support to Obama, they ended a racial as well as political standoff. As others have observed, Obama’s conciliatory above- the fray political style from those years has carried over to his presidency. I would say the same regarding the approach to race Obama seemed to cultivate as a student—that one can heal racial divisions by standing apart from racial conflict, simply letting race play itself out. Th is is far from what Derrick Bell taught.​

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