Dems to ban fracking

[Jets]

Fracking causes more harm to the environment than good. Inflicting damage to maintain employment is an absurd justification.

Fracking causes no harm to the environment.

And we disagree. Just put two links up demonstrating that it does.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

yea, it's just not the point you think you're making.

Ok, besides quibbling, what’s your point here?

As a Big City guy, will you treat the migrants from the countryside who come to your town with their own habits and ways with the same respect as you do Illegals from other countries?

That's what you are asking for, when you ask for Fracking to be banned.

For the record, I’m not in the big city. However, if the choice is between continuing to poison the water supply thru fracking or having people look for new jobs, the latter is more palatable than the former. In my opinion.

The water supply isnt being poisoned. Another dem myth. The water table is usually about 500-1500' below the surface. Double casing covers the aquifer. Fracturing occurs at depths over 10,000' tvd. There is no 9000' hydrocarbon migration.

Disagreed

Facts About Fracking | Live Science

That's just an op ed speculative article. There is no science in that article.

 

[iceberg]

before we start our engines and go, are you fully aware of what fracking does?

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

Fracking is absolutely safe and harmless to the environment. Making some cracks in rock that is 15,000 feet down isn't going to harm anything.

Fracking Wells Tainting Drinking Water in Texas and Pennsylvania, Study Finds

i don't think it's that simple.

 

[bripat9643]

before we start our engines and go, are you fully aware of what fracking does?

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

Fracking is absolutely safe and harmless to the environment. Making some cracks in rock that is 15,000 feet down isn't going to harm anything.

Fracking Wells Tainting Drinking Water in Texas and Pennsylvania, Study Finds

i don't think it's that simple.

It is that simple. My father was a geologist who did exploration for Phillips petroleum. I know plenty about drilling for oil. There are dozens of videos on the internet that show how fracking works. It's totally safe. Even if something went wrong, it would become apparent the minute it happened and the hole would be stopped and corrective measures taken.



Natural gas has been seeping into the water table since the Permian age. The EPA ruled that fracking was not the cause of the gas in the cases cited.

 

[Maxdeath]

before we start our engines and go, are you fully aware of what fracking does?

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

I spent twenty two years in the oil and gas industry. A arge part of it in management and consulting. Not all areas use nitrogen. In fact most areas only use nitrogen to clean wells out after fracking has been done.

Fracking uses water, oil, or diesel under pressure to force open existing fractures in oil bearing rock. Sand or other elements ( man made sand, and others nicknamed prop) are then added to the fluid which is forced into the fractures. Once the pressure is released the prop remains lodged in the fractures to prop the tight formation open. This allows the oil to flow more freely. Years ago the pressure would be allowed to leak off almost instantly. That meant most of the prop was washed out and the fractures would slam shut. Fracking had to be done more often on the same well. The areas that did remain open with this technique would become more and more porous which meant little to no idea where the fluid was going.

The current situation is to allow the pressure to slowly bleed away. In most cases a day or longer. That means more prop left in the fractures. More fractures left open. The number of times a well must be fracked over its lifetime is greatly reduced and a responsible consultant or operator will better understand and be able to control what part of the area around the well and the geological formations are affected.

Lots of people like to think that everyone involved in the oil and gas industry are just interested in killing our environment and the planet. The largest part understand that we have to do things that are environmentally friendly and balance that with our energy needs while making a living for themselves and their families.

you were way more into the details than i ever got to. i was just a pipe beater who had to stand next to the rig while we fracked. one winter it was like -10* F and a runny nose would freeze in minutes. but i did get to see the geologists get in and out of the trucks from time to time.

i am *not* for banning fracking. i do believe a lot of it is misunderstood and no one wants to just tear shit up to get to oil. no one i ever met anyway. if we can continue to refine it and make it less harmful, great. and i think we have since then, if even not doing it at the time.

appreciate the info.

No problem. Left out A ton of information. Worked very closely with many geologists when a frack or other operation was being planned or done. Must admit that a large number of the geologists that I delt with understood what the book said but had no idea of practical application.

Fracking been around for about 65 years. When we first started it was just a proposal that worked. It has slowly been refined and is becoming better understood.
Kind of like the wright brothers flight compared to the planes of 20 years ago. I have no doubt in the next few years there will be even better understanding. Unfortunately Warren stated that she would write an EO that would end offshore drilling, drilling in some areas and end fracking.
That kind of thing shows a complete disregard for people's livelihood and the economy.
Unfortunately there are those that will cheer her on and vote for her.

 

[bripat9643]

before we start our engines and go, are you fully aware of what fracking does?

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

I spent twenty two years in the oil and gas industry. A arge part of it in management and consulting. Not all areas use nitrogen. In fact most areas only use nitrogen to clean wells out after fracking has been done.

Fracking uses water, oil, or diesel under pressure to force open existing fractures in oil bearing rock. Sand or other elements ( man made sand, and others nicknamed prop) are then added to the fluid which is forced into the fractures. Once the pressure is released the prop remains lodged in the fractures to prop the tight formation open. This allows the oil to flow more freely. Years ago the pressure would be allowed to leak off almost instantly. That meant most of the prop was washed out and the fractures would slam shut. Fracking had to be done more often on the same well. The areas that did remain open with this technique would become more and more porous which meant little to no idea where the fluid was going.

The current situation is to allow the pressure to slowly bleed away. In most cases a day or longer. That means more prop left in the fractures. More fractures left open. The number of times a well must be fracked over its lifetime is greatly reduced and a responsible consultant or operator will better understand and be able to control what part of the area around the well and the geological formations are affected.

Lots of people like to think that everyone involved in the oil and gas industry are just interested in killing our environment and the planet. The largest part understand that we have to do things that are environmentally friendly and balance that with our energy needs while making a living for themselves and their families.

you were way more into the details than i ever got to. i was just a pipe beater who had to stand next to the rig while we fracked. one winter it was like -10* F and a runny nose would freeze in minutes. but i did get to see the geologists get in and out of the trucks from time to time.

i am *not* for banning fracking. i do believe a lot of it is misunderstood and no one wants to just tear shit up to get to oil. no one i ever met anyway. if we can continue to refine it and make it less harmful, great. and i think we have since then, if even not doing it at the time.

appreciate the info.

No problem. Left out A ton of information. Worked very closely with many geologists when a frack or other operation was being planned or done. Must admit that a large number of the geologists that I delt with understood what the book said but had no idea of practical application.

Fracking been around for about 65 years. When we first started it was just a proposal that worked. It has slowly been refined and is becoming better understood.
Kind of like the wright brothers flight compared to the planes of 20 years ago. I have no doubt in the next few years there will be even better understanding. Unfortunately Warren stated that she would write an EO that would end offshore drilling, drilling in some areas and end fracking.
That kind of thing shows a complete disregard for people's livelihood and the economy.
Unfortunately there are those that will cheer her on and vote for her.

The environmental wackos didn't give a hoot about fracking until it started producing vast quantities of oil and natural gas and solved our energy crisis.

 

[iceberg]

before we start our engines and go, are you fully aware of what fracking does?

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

I spent twenty two years in the oil and gas industry. A arge part of it in management and consulting. Not all areas use nitrogen. In fact most areas only use nitrogen to clean wells out after fracking has been done.

Fracking uses water, oil, or diesel under pressure to force open existing fractures in oil bearing rock. Sand or other elements ( man made sand, and others nicknamed prop) are then added to the fluid which is forced into the fractures. Once the pressure is released the prop remains lodged in the fractures to prop the tight formation open. This allows the oil to flow more freely. Years ago the pressure would be allowed to leak off almost instantly. That meant most of the prop was washed out and the fractures would slam shut. Fracking had to be done more often on the same well. The areas that did remain open with this technique would become more and more porous which meant little to no idea where the fluid was going.

The current situation is to allow the pressure to slowly bleed away. In most cases a day or longer. That means more prop left in the fractures. More fractures left open. The number of times a well must be fracked over its lifetime is greatly reduced and a responsible consultant or operator will better understand and be able to control what part of the area around the well and the geological formations are affected.

Lots of people like to think that everyone involved in the oil and gas industry are just interested in killing our environment and the planet. The largest part understand that we have to do things that are environmentally friendly and balance that with our energy needs while making a living for themselves and their families.

you were way more into the details than i ever got to. i was just a pipe beater who had to stand next to the rig while we fracked. one winter it was like -10* F and a runny nose would freeze in minutes. but i did get to see the geologists get in and out of the trucks from time to time.

i am *not* for banning fracking. i do believe a lot of it is misunderstood and no one wants to just tear shit up to get to oil. no one i ever met anyway. if we can continue to refine it and make it less harmful, great. and i think we have since then, if even not doing it at the time.

appreciate the info.

No problem. Left out A ton of information. Worked very closely with many geologists when a frack or other operation was being planned or done. Must admit that a large number of the geologists that I delt with understood what the book said but had no idea of practical application.

Fracking been around for about 65 years. When we first started it was just a proposal that worked. It has slowly been refined and is becoming better understood.
Kind of like the wright brothers flight compared to the planes of 20 years ago. I have no doubt in the next few years there will be even better understanding. Unfortunately Warren stated that she would write an EO that would end offshore drilling, drilling in some areas and end fracking.
That kind of thing shows a complete disregard for people's livelihood and the economy.
Unfortunately there are those that will cheer her on and vote for her.

shout SAVE OUR PLANET and the crowd goes wild. devil out there playing in details.

what is your take on fracking and minor earthquakes in OK and TX? any real correlation?

 

[Terri4Trump]

This will be a catastrophe. Millions of jobs will be lost in the heartland..........

You are absolutely right. It will destroy jobs as well as certain sectors of the economy. But the Left does not care.

this is what i mean, people dig in for their stereotypes and never seem to take the time to realize there's more than A and B in this game.

Alternative Solutions to Fracking? What about Microbial Capacitive Desalination?

people should read up on things first, sound less stupid / emotional later.

If there is a viable alternative that is cost effective then the companies that frack will use them. Thats great.

But what you are not getting is that the Dems are vowing to stop fracking cold, right from the get go, and as I correctly said, that will destroy jobs as well as certain sectors of the economy. But the Left does not care

If YOU know about alternatives then the energy companies know about them too and if they are good then they will use them. But a government mandate from socialist assholes will only hurt.

And by the way, there is nothing wrong with fracking anyways, so who gives a fuck about alternatives.

 

[Polishprince]

This will be a catastrophe. Millions of jobs will be lost in the heartland..........

You are absolutely right. It will destroy jobs as well as certain sectors of the economy. But the Left does not care.

this is what i mean, people dig in for their stereotypes and never seem to take the time to realize there's more than A and B in this game.

Alternative Solutions to Fracking? What about Microbial Capacitive Desalination?

people should read up on things first, sound less stupid / emotional later.

If there is a viable alternative that is cost effective then the companies that frack will use them. Thats great.

But what you are not getting is that the Dems are vowing to stop fracking cold, right from the get go, and as I correctly said, that will destroy jobs as well as certain sectors of the economy. But the Left does not care

If YOU know about alternatives then the energy companies know about them too and if they are good then they will use them. But a government mandate from socialist assholes will only hurt.

And by the way, there is nothing wrong with fracking anyways, so who gives a fuck about alternatives.

If there were effective alternatives, they would have been developed already. President B. Hussein O. poured literally billions into "renewable" energy production including the notorious Solyndra outfit that stole $500 Million from the taxpayers.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Fracking causes more harm to the environment than good. Inflicting damage to maintain employment is an absurd justification.

So you want to pay $10 bucks a gallon for gas?

.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Fracking causes more harm to the environment than good. Inflicting damage to maintain employment is an absurd justification.

So you want to pay $10 bucks a gallon for gas?

.

Apparently. The ignorance coming from lack of simple economics is beyond astounding.

 

[bripat9643]

Fracking causes more harm to the environment than good. Inflicting damage to maintain employment is an absurd justification.

So you want to pay $10 bucks a gallon for gas?

.

They want us to pay infinity.

 

[WillPower]

Obama/Biden wanted to ban fracking too......problem was it's on private property and the courts told them to kick rocks (pun). The Rat media claimed it causes earthquakes and gas to flow out of people's water taps....both bullshit. No water contamination was been proven. Fracking is a bonanza and no dipshit leftist fool politician will stop it. PERIOD.

 

[NightFox]

"On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands," she tweeted. "And I will ban fracking—everywhere."

Liz needs to quit fucking around and start telling her base what they REALLY want to hear; that if she's elected she plans to BAN FOSSIL FUELS.

Why not? She's already promised to gut our most successful technology companies by breaking them up, might as well promise to destroy our domestic petroleum, coal and natural gas industries as well, her dingbat "base" will love her even more for it.

 

[bripat9643]

"On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands," she tweeted. "And I will ban fracking—everywhere."

Liz needs to quit fucking around and start telling her base what they REALLY want to hear; that if she's elected she plans to BAN FOSSIL FUELS.

Why not? She's already promised to gut our most successful technology companies by breaking them up, might as well promise to destroy our domestic petroleum, coal and natural gas industries as well, her dingbat "base" will love her even more for it.

When are they going to start build electric airplanes? They should be great on flights over the North pole. Perhaps we can go back to sailing ships to move cargo around.

 

[skookerasbil]

As a Big City guy, will you treat the migrants from the countryside who come to your town with their own habits and ways with the same respect as you do Illegals from other countries?

That's what you are asking for, when you ask for Fracking to be banned.

For the record, I’m not in the big city. However, if the choice is between continuing to poison the water supply thru fracking or having people look for new jobs, the latter is more palatable than the former. In my opinion.

The water supply isnt being poisoned. Another dem myth. The water table is usually about 500-1500' below the surface. Double casing covers the aquifer. Fracturing occurs at depths over 10,000' tvd. There is no 9000' hydrocarbon migration.

Disagreed

Facts About Fracking | Live Science

Your link confirms no proven contamination of water supplies.

For the record, I’m not in the big city. However, if the choice is between continuing to poison the water supply thru fracking or having people look for new jobs, the latter is more palatable than the former. In my opinion.

The water supply isnt being poisoned. Another dem myth. The water table is usually about 500-1500' below the surface. Double casing covers the aquifer. Fracturing occurs at depths over 10,000' tvd. There is no 9000' hydrocarbon migration.

Disagreed

Facts About Fracking | Live Science

Your link confirms no proven contamination of water supplies.

it's his opinion. it was then i found him less useful than tits on a nun.

As a Big City guy, will you treat the migrants from the countryside who come to your town with their own habits and ways with the same respect as you do Illegals from other countries?

That's what you are asking for, when you ask for Fracking to be banned.

For the record, I’m not in the big city. However, if the choice is between continuing to poison the water supply thru fracking or having people look for new jobs, the latter is more palatable than the former. In my opinion.

The water supply isnt being poisoned. Another dem myth. The water table is usually about 500-1500' below the surface. Double casing covers the aquifer. Fracturing occurs at depths over 10,000' tvd. There is no 9000' hydrocarbon migration.

Disagreed

Facts About Fracking | Live Science

Your link confirms no proven contamination of water supplies.

Fracking Can Contaminate Drinking Water

Here’s another

But like most of life, choices come down to choosing between "suck" and "suckier". Most people get it.......very few look at fracking and get freaked out like the progressives who tend to the hysterical on everything.

 

[NightFox]

"On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands," she tweeted. "And I will ban fracking—everywhere."

Liz needs to quit fucking around and start telling her base what they REALLY want to hear; that if she's elected she plans to BAN FOSSIL FUELS.

Why not? She's already promised to gut our most successful technology companies by breaking them up, might as well promise to destroy our domestic petroleum, coal and natural gas industries as well, her dingbat "base" will love her even more for it.

When are they going to start build electric airplanes?

Don't get her started, next thing you know Big Chief Liz and her tribe of Clueless Warriors will be on the warpath to destroy our domestic Aircraft Industry.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Fracking causes more harm to the environment than good. Inflicting damage to maintain employment is an absurd justification.

So you want to pay $10 bucks a gallon for gas?

.

Apparently. The ignorance coming from lack of simple economics is beyond astounding.

This is what propaganda tools they are, they thanked obama for lower gas prices, yet want fracking banned and insist he didn't want $10 bucks a gallon for gas and then insist we all need to drive electric cars..


They are either crazy or fucking nuts.

 

[Wyatt earp]

"On my first day as president, I will sign an executive order that puts a total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands," she tweeted. "And I will ban fracking—everywhere."

Liz needs to quit fucking around and start telling her base what they REALLY want to hear; that if she's elected she plans to BAN FOSSIL FUELS.

Why not? She's already promised to gut our most successful technology companies by breaking them up, might as well promise to destroy our domestic petroleum, coal and natural gas industries as well, her dingbat "base" will love her even more for it.

When are they going to start build electric airplanes? They should be great on flights over the North pole. Perhaps we can go back to sailing ships to move cargo around.

All aboard.....and no smoking please

 

[Maxdeath]

Yes, I do. It uses water pressure to get the oil and gas deep inside wells out so that we can use it. The economy of much of rural America relies on this fuel, and if we don't bring it out, the people there will suffer and many of those folks will be forced to pick up and drive to major cities for jobs

wrong.

it's not just water we're pumping, and we do "Fracture" the land to break it open to get it. i worked for Western Pacesetters on horrible fall in 1988 and this is what we did. i had to drive the liquid nitrogen truck to get it refilled so we could pump that, and a lot of other shit, into the ground.

i'm all for ensuring people get to work and such, but if we kill the planet on the way, then yes i do have some questions. an entire BAN i think is stupid but we need to find way to accomplish what is needed just the same. the dems just want to ban everything and that i am against.

finding better solutions i'm for. but say that and suddenly you're against the environment.

I spent twenty two years in the oil and gas industry. A arge part of it in management and consulting. Not all areas use nitrogen. In fact most areas only use nitrogen to clean wells out after fracking has been done.

Fracking uses water, oil, or diesel under pressure to force open existing fractures in oil bearing rock. Sand or other elements ( man made sand, and others nicknamed prop) are then added to the fluid which is forced into the fractures. Once the pressure is released the prop remains lodged in the fractures to prop the tight formation open. This allows the oil to flow more freely. Years ago the pressure would be allowed to leak off almost instantly. That meant most of the prop was washed out and the fractures would slam shut. Fracking had to be done more often on the same well. The areas that did remain open with this technique would become more and more porous which meant little to no idea where the fluid was going.

The current situation is to allow the pressure to slowly bleed away. In most cases a day or longer. That means more prop left in the fractures. More fractures left open. The number of times a well must be fracked over its lifetime is greatly reduced and a responsible consultant or operator will better understand and be able to control what part of the area around the well and the geological formations are affected.

Lots of people like to think that everyone involved in the oil and gas industry are just interested in killing our environment and the planet. The largest part understand that we have to do things that are environmentally friendly and balance that with our energy needs while making a living for themselves and their families.

you were way more into the details than i ever got to. i was just a pipe beater who had to stand next to the rig while we fracked. one winter it was like -10* F and a runny nose would freeze in minutes. but i did get to see the geologists get in and out of the trucks from time to time.

i am *not* for banning fracking. i do believe a lot of it is misunderstood and no one wants to just tear shit up to get to oil. no one i ever met anyway. if we can continue to refine it and make it less harmful, great. and i think we have since then, if even not doing it at the time.

appreciate the info.

No problem. Left out A ton of information. Worked very closely with many geologists when a frack or other operation was being planned or done. Must admit that a large number of the geologists that I delt with understood what the book said but had no idea of practical application.

Fracking been around for about 65 years. When we first started it was just a proposal that worked. It has slowly been refined and is becoming better understood.
Kind of like the wright brothers flight compared to the planes of 20 years ago. I have no doubt in the next few years there will be even better understanding. Unfortunately Warren stated that she would write an EO that would end offshore drilling, drilling in some areas and end fracking.
That kind of thing shows a complete disregard for people's livelihood and the economy.
Unfortunately there are those that will cheer her on and vote for her.

shout SAVE OUR PLANET and the crowd goes wild. devil out there playing in details.

what is your take on fracking and minor earthquakes in OK and TX? any real correlation?

I tend to believe that people look for and find a lot of things that do not necessarily correlate.
People find faces on Mars. We believed that Mars had numerous canals. The Loch Ness monster. We actually have no real hard data showing any correlation between fracking and earthquakes. But some are convinced that there is. There have always been small quakes in that area. It is not as well known of an area like San Andreas but it still was active to a small extent.

Most fracking only affects a small area around the well bore. Years ago when fracking was done numerous times during a wells lifetime that area could and did increase but in relation to an area that is effected by an earthquake it is still very small.

My belief is that there is no correlation at all.