DeSantis blames lack of media coverage for resurge of COVID cases

[bendog]

Let's be honest here. Hospitals make money from having Covid patients in ICU. So are the patients being put in ICU beds because they really need to be there...or is this simply a good way for hospitals to make more money?

Let's be honest. Seriously, try.

 

[debbiedowner]

In what way was Cuomo hit by anything that DeSantis wasn't? You think Cuomo handled this "like a champ"? Tell that to the families of the six thousand elderly people who died in New York nursing homes!

Before DeSantis designated certain nursing homes only for covid patients he did the exact same thing and thousands died.

So Cuomo has done the better job. If you look at the counts of active cases on the worldmeter Florida is number 3 behind Ca and if we keep going like we are and N.Y. keeps going like they are and of course Ca then in about 5 or 6 weeks CA will be number 1 and Florida will be number 2.

 

[debbiedowner]

I'm making the very REAL claim that Cuomo was responsible for the policy that put elderly patients with Covid 19 back into nursing homes!

Every damn governor did at first wake the fuck up. There was no where for them to go since their families would not or could not take them in. I know of very few insurers, hospitals or Medicare for that matter in the country that will continue care in a hospital if a person is showing improvement, it's off to a skilled nursing facility which most are part of a nursing home to make way for the sicker.

 

[Slade3200]

Cuomo handled it like a champ? Good to see you have a sense of humor! How is where New York now better than the rest of the country?

Democrat Response to Coronavirus: End Trump’s Travel Bans on China, Iran
JOHN BINDER 11 Mar 2020 2:58

House and Senate Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak in the United States by supporting measures to effectively strip President Trump of his authority to impose travel bans to protect American citizens.

While Trump has implemented travel bans on China and Iran — two of the most coronavirus-affected nations in the world — House Democrats are looking to roll back the president’s authority to enact travel bans from regions of the world.

Dems' Response to Coronavirus: End Trump's Travel Bans on China, Iran

House Democrats are responding to the coronavirus outbreak by trying to strip President Trump of his authority to implement travel bans.

www.breitbart.com

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Mayor Resisted Drastic Steps on Virus. Then Came a Backlash From His Aides.

Mayor Bill de Blasio acknowledged that he had to be persuaded to close schools and restaurants.
Published March 16, 2020 Updated June 17, 2020

For most of last week, as Mayor Bill de Blasio continued to urge New Yorkers to mostly go about their daily lives — sending their children to school, frequenting the city’s businesses — some of his top aides were furiously trying to change the mayor’s approach to the coronavirus outbreak.

There had been arguments and shouting matches between the mayor and some of his advisers; some top health officials had even threatened to resign if he refused to accept the need to close schools and businesses, according to several people familiar with the internal discussions.

Teachers were threatening not to show up to school on Monday. A growing number of public health experts and politicians were calling for much of the city to be shut down to curb the spread of the virus.

On Sunday, the mayor was shown a graph depicting the sharp upward trajectory of the coronavirus epidemic curve, and another showing the capacity of the city’s health systems to handle the influx.

Mayor Resisted Drastic Steps on Virus. Then Came a Backlash From His Aides.

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Journalists Forget Their Own Predictions: Millions of Americans to Die
Jeffrey Lord
May 30th, 2020 11:00 AM

From The New York Times on March 13: “As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.”

From The New York Times on March 16: “Sweeping new federal recommendations announced on Monday for Americans to sharply limit their activities appeared to draw on a dire scientific report warning that, without action by the government and individuals to slow the spread of coronavirus and suppress new cases, 2.2 million people in the United States could die.”

From The Washington Post, March 19: “In the worst-case scenario, America is on a trajectory toward 1.1 million deaths.”

From MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, March 24: If Americans go to Easter services: “If that happened on Easter Sunday, just 19 days from now, then in May, you’d have millions of dead people all over the country. Millions,” O’Donnell said on his MSNBC show. “If you have packed churches all over the country, including California, on Easter Sunday, by May there could be a million dead people in California.”

From Andrew Slavitt, Barack Obama’s former acting administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS): “Currently experts expect over one million deaths in the U.S. since the virus was not contained & we cannot even test for it.”

From infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm to podcaster Joe Rogan the week of March 12: “We conservatively estimate that this could require 48 million hospitalizations, 96 million cases actually occurring, over 480,000 deaths that can occur over the next three to seven months…”

From CNN: “On State of the Union, Dr. Anthony Fauci tells Brianna Keilar that in a worst-case scenario millions of people in the US could die from the coronavirus.”

From Yahoo: "At the low end of the projection this would mean about 700,000 deaths. At the high end it would mean 1.5 million deaths.”

In other words? By this point, there were estimates aplenty in the media that there would be anywhere from almost a half million to 1.5 million to 2.2 million dead Americans. But mysteriously in all the stories about the 100,000 dead Americans there is no mention - zero - of earlier media predictions that there would be ten or twenty times that number of deaths.

Journalists Forget Their Own Predictions: Millions of Americans to Die

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Gov. Cuomo can’t dodge accountability for nursing home deaths forever
By Steve Scalise
June 24, 2020 | 2:30pm | Updated
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The novel-coronavirus death toll in New York’s nursing homes is tragic. More than 6,000 American seniors died of COVID-19 in nursing homes and long-term-care facilities across the Empire State, yet grieving families have no answers for how this happened or who is responsible.
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Gov. Cuomo can’t dodge accountability for nursing home deaths forever

New Yorkers deserve accountability and transparency. Cuomo, who is ultimately responsible, has been neither accountable nor transparent.

nypost.com

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As of 7/17/2020, New York is a lot better than the rest of the country today? Really?

Just look at the current numbers... NY had zero deaths a couple days ago

 

[Slade3200]

We have 50 hospitals at or near capacity. We have 349 hospitals.

Correct. I didn’t say all hospitals. 50 is a pretty significant amount don’t you think?

 

[Slade3200]

Tell the truth? The truth is...Cuomo put sick elderly back into nursing homes. The truth is...that policy killed thousands of elderly New Yorkers! The truth is...Cuomo has been trying to spin this since it happened to pass the blame to someone other than himself!

Yes you’ve already said that... and then I added that the nursing homes were equipped like hospitals as care facilities with infrastructure to separate just like they do in hospitals. I asked you specifically about that and you ignored it to repeat what you had said before. What’s up with that?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Florida is at 128 deaths today, so far.

That's their third highest number of deaths.

They hit their record yesterday at 156.

 

[Slade3200]

The reason that ICU beds are "full" is that hospitals are using their ICU units to isolate Covid 19 patients regardless of the severity of their illness! The severity of the virus cases...the numbers of people on ventilators...has gone down as the average age has gone down.

As hospitals fill with coronavirus patients, Florida wants to know who is in the ICU beds

As more and more hospitals publicly report that their ICU beds are full, the state changed its guideline for tracking who is in its ICU beds — a change that will mask the true number of peopl…

www.sun-sentinel.com

You article says in the first paragraph that the state is struggling to keep up with the Coronavirus pandemic. Doesn’t that right there shoot your argument in the foot?

 

[bendog]

Before DeSantis designated certain nursing homes only for covid patients he did the exact same thing and thousands died.

So Cuomo has done the better job. If you look at the counts of active cases on the worldmeter Florida is number 3 behind Ca and if we keep going like we are and N.Y. keeps going like they are and of course Ca then in about 5 or 6 weeks CA will be number 1 and Florida will be number 2.

Hey maybe if I go in for my knee replacement, my doc will put me in the ICU so the hospital can bill my insurance for more. I mean hey, spending a few days in the ICU sounds like a real nice place to be.

 

[Oldestyle]

Before DeSantis designated certain nursing homes only for covid patients he did the exact same thing and thousands died.

So Cuomo has done the better job. If you look at the counts of active cases on the worldmeter Florida is number 3 behind Ca and if we keep going like we are and N.Y. keeps going like they are and of course Ca then in about 5 or 6 weeks CA will be number 1 and Florida will be number 2.

That is a total lie on your part! Florida never had a State mandate forcing nursing homes to take in Covid 19 patients like New York State did!

 

[Oldestyle]

You article says in the first paragraph that the state is struggling to keep up with the Coronavirus pandemic. Doesn’t that right there shoot your argument in the foot?

Do you normally stop reading articles after the first paragraph? That explains a lot!

 

[Oldestyle]

Yes you’ve already said that... and then I added that the nursing homes were equipped like hospitals as care facilities with infrastructure to separate just like they do in hospitals. I asked you specifically about that and you ignored it to repeat what you had said before. What’s up with that?

No, the reason that so many elderly patients died in New York State nursing homes is that they were so ill prepared to handle isolating patients with a virus like Covid 19! Why Cuomo thought it was a good idea to force them to take their residents back when that was obviously the case is something that pompous ass will have to live with! Those deaths are on him!

 

[Slade3200]

Do you normally stop reading articles after the first paragraph? That explains a lot!

I usually read full articles but for this discussion I believe your article supported my point in the first paragraph that this thing is growing and serious. What more needs to be said?

 

[Oldestyle]

Correct. I didn’t say all hospitals. 50 is a pretty significant amount don’t you think?

Not when the media is trying to make it seem like ALL of Florida's hospitals are at capacity! In that case then the 299 hospitals that AREN'T full is the significant number!

 

[Slade3200]

No, the reason that so many elderly patients died in New York State nursing homes is that they were so ill prepared to handle isolating patients with a virus like Covid 19! Why Cuomo thought it was a good idea to force them to take their residents back when that was obviously the case is something that pompous ass will have to live with! Those deaths are on him!

That statement is not supported by the facts. Cuomos directive was for facilities to take back patients if they had the infrastructure and capacity to do so. If not then they would be placed somewhere else. This situation has been spun by the right wing to try and make Cuomo into a murderer and that’s just insanity. Wake up and stop spreading this poison

 

[Oldestyle]

I usually read full articles but for this discussion I believe your article supported my point in the first paragraph that this thing is growing and serious. What more needs to be said?

Obviously the person writing the article disagrees with your assessment of his work or he would have stopped after he'd written the first paragraph. He told the whole story...it's something that real journalists are supposed to do!

 

[Slade3200]

Not when the media is trying to make it seem like ALL of Florida's hospitals are at capacity! In that case then the 299 hospitals that AREN'T full is the significant number!

They aren’t saying ALL hospitals... you just made that up because you’re trying to win an argument but it isn’t true. Why are you even putting energy into discrediting and throwing doubt on the seriousness of this thing. What good does that do? People need to take this seriously and act appropriately. Why do you fight against that? People are dying. Suck it up till we get through this and then you can go back to being a douchebag

 

[Oldestyle]

That statement is not supported by the facts. Cuomos directive was for facilities to take back patients if they had the infrastructure and capacity to do so. If not then they would be placed somewhere else. This situation has been spun by the right wing to try and make Cuomo into a murderer and that’s just insanity. Wake up and stop spreading this poison

That's bullshit! Almost none of New York's nursing homes have the infrastructure or the capacity to separate patients in that way! They told the Cuomo Administration that and they were ordered to take in patients or the State would take away their licenses.

 

[Oldestyle]

They aren’t saying ALL hospitals... you just made that up because you’re trying to win an argument but it isn’t true. Why are you even putting energy into discrediting and throwing doubt on the seriousness of this thing. What good does that do? People need to take this seriously and act appropriately. Why do you fight against that? People are dying. Suck it up till we get through this and then you can go back to being a douchebag

Businesses are dying too, you moron! We've been "sucking it up" for five months now but you on the left don't care how many people's lives you destroy! You're calling for lock downs again. You might as well let Black Lives Matter loot and burn the rest of our cities if you're going to do that! There won't be enough left of our economy to save if you get your way! But you don't give two shits about that...do you?

 

[Slade3200]

Obviously the person writing the article disagrees with your assessment of his work or he would have stopped after he'd written the first paragraph. He told the whole story...it's something that real journalists are supposed to do!

I read the whole article and the author isn’t disagreeing with anything I’ve said. Time and time again he cites that fact that cases and hospitalizations are growing. The notable items he was pointing out is that some hospitals are using ICU beds for COVID patients that don’t need intensive care because that’s the space they are designating for them so they are changing the way the cases are being reported.

that fact does not dismiss the fact that hospitalizations are rising and Florida just reported a record number of DEATHS.... TODAY. Pull your head out of the sand