Devout Christians should not be prevented from engaging in NCAA sports.

[OKTexas]

Now you know what kind of religious nutzies I had to live around growing up in OKC in the 1960's and 1970's and 1980's.

Poor wittle commie. LMAO

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[BlindBoo]

No one has banned anyone from sports.

Seriously try and follow the conversation.

Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all.

Which has not a fucking thing to do with anything.

The NCAA is threatening to ban ORU if they don't promote transgenderism and homosexuality.

The entire opinion piece linked to in USA Today comes down to this statement of personal bias by the author:

"This matters to me because what is happening to Oral Roberts University is coming to all of us who hold to such outdated ideas. I serve as a dean at Wheaton College, an evangelical institution where students commit to a community covenant. We, too, call students to a lifestyle in alignment with our Christian beliefs. We don’t hold quite the same standards as ORU, but ours won’t pass the new tolerance test, either."

This man wants his private Christian University to receive public funding, and be able to hire and fire people based on discrimination against "sinners", but then claim "religious discrimination" against his university because of their "community policies" violate the law.

Either these biased and unconstitution religious outfits eschew private money or they stop discrimminating against gays, or minorities. If you want public money, you can't discrimminate against other taxpayers. You're free to follow your faith with your own money, but not with taxpayer money.

It's called "the separation of Church and State" You want to be assholes, do it on your own dime.

It comes down to the PREVAILING TREND by the fascist democrats of CANCELLING anyone and anything which deviates or threatens the goals of the Reich. The democrat cultural revolution is far more than an attempt to expel ORU from NCAA sports, it is a cancer which has metastasized in every cell of the once great and free American Republic.

There isn't a molecule of difference between democrats and the other fascist scum, Hitler's Nazis, or Mao, or Stalin, or Pol Pot, Idi Amin, et al.

But the democrat Reich has chosen to use a scapegoat and racism as a vehicle to impose the terrorist tyranny of their Reich. Using a scapegoat most closely follows the path of Adolf Hitler, hence we recognize that the democrats are in actual fact a Nazi party.

What the Nazi democrats wage war against is liberty.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


But you and the Reich directly seek to prohibit the free exercise to force others to adopt the views and beliefs of the Reich.

If you don't agree with ORU, don't go there, don't send your gender confused biological offspring there. But you don't get to end their rights, you don't get to force your beliefs on them.

You Nazis are violent thugs, but you have overstepped.

A fine example of why you Nazi propagandists should limit your intake of caffeine in the morning.

USA today ran opinion pieces on both side of the issue. The NCAA has said and done nothing.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A fine example of why you Nazi propagandists should limit your intake of caffeine in the morning.

USA today ran opinion pieces on both side of the issue. The NCAA has said and done nothing.

Facts and logic have never been your strong suit, you're just a goose stepping sheep. As always, you offer no reasoned arguments or factual refutations, just the usual "NUHN UHN" that is so typical of you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

He's a liberal, not a nazi

He's a fascist totalitarian, like you.

 

[BlindBoo]

A fine example of why you Nazi propagandists should limit your intake of caffeine in the morning.

USA today ran opinion pieces on both side of the issue. The NCAA has said and done nothing.

Facts and logic have never been your strong suit, you're just a goose stepping sheep. As always, you offer no reasoned arguments or factual refutations, just the usual "NUHN UHN" that is so typical of you.

Your claim that the NCAA is doing something against ORU is a lie. But lying is what you do. Not that you do it well.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your claim that the NCAA is doing something against ORU is a lie. But lying is what you do. Not that you do it well.

The Reich is URGING the NCAA to act against Christians. So far the NCAA has not.

 

[BlindBoo]

Your claim that the NCAA is doing something against ORU is a lie. But lying is what you do. Not that you do it well.

The Reich is URGING the NCAA to act against Christians. So far the NCAA has not.

In reality is was the Press (USA Today) using the First Amendment to publish both opinions for and against.

 

[Uncensored2008]

In reality is was the Press (USA Today) using the First Amendment to publish both opinions for and against.

USA Today is a mouthpiece for the Reich.

 

[BlindBoo]

In reality is was the Press (USA Today) using the First Amendment to publish both opinions for and against.

USA Today is a mouthpiece for the Reich.

They are schizophrenic's?

 

[Uncensored2008]

They are schizophrenic's?

Allowing occasional opposing views doesn't change the nature of cancel culture and the Reich.

 

[Crepitus]

He's a liberal, not a nazi

He's a fascist totalitarian, like you.

Nope, that's you guys.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

 

[Dragonlady]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

What i mean is, Christians can't force their beliefs on you, so you shouldn't force your beliefs on them, right?

 

[occupied]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

What i mean is, Christians can't force their beliefs on you, so you shouldn't force your beliefs on them, right?

Christians can and do force their beliefs on Americans by force of law and then cry about religious freedom when those laws are defeated or overturned. To many Christians the separation of church and state means that the wider world has no right to defend itself from their efforts to make sin illegal.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Christians can and do force their beliefs on Americans by force of law and then cry about religious freedom when those laws are defeated or overturned. To many Christians the separation of church and state means that the wider world has no right to defend itself from their efforts to make sin illegal.

There are Christians here, me being one. How often do I corner you and insist you become Christian also? To all Christians, the separation of church and state means that the state has no right to interfere in religious organization, not the other way around. If you think it is the other way around, then you have to call the founding fathers ridiculous hypocrites, because asking God for direction was a necessity:

We don't have to make sin illegal. It already is, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Society makes it legal. We don't rip children from the womb, you do. We don't condone prostitution, you do. We know how many genders there are, you don't.

Forgive us for standing our ground...

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Christians can and do force their beliefs on Americans by force of law and then cry about religious freedom when those laws are defeated or overturned. To many Christians the separation of church and state means that the wider world has no right to defend itself from their efforts to make sin illegal.

There are Christians here, me being one. How often do I corner you and insist you become Christian also? To all Christians, the separation of church and state means that the state has no right to interfere in religious organization, not the other way around. If you think it is the other way around, then you have to call the founding fathers ridiculous hypocrites, because asking God for direction was a necessity:
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We don't have to make sin illegal. It already is, yesterday, today and tomorrow. Society makes it legal. We don't rip children from the womb, you do. We don't condone prostitution, you do. We know how many genders there are, you don't.

Forgive us for standing our ground...

You forgot forcing LGBT and tranny crap on society

 

[ThisIsMe]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

What i mean is, Christians can't force their beliefs on you, so you shouldn't force your beliefs on them, right?

Christians can and do force their beliefs on Americans by force of law and then cry about religious freedom when those laws are defeated or overturned. To many Christians the separation of church and state means that the wider world has no right to defend itself from their efforts to make sin illegal.

Ok, so, I understand Christians not being able to force their beliefs on others, as long as you don't force your beliefs on others too. Sound good?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

What i mean is, Christians can't force their beliefs on you, so you shouldn't force your beliefs on them, right?

Christians can and do force their beliefs on Americans by force of law and then cry about religious freedom when those laws are defeated or overturned. To many Christians the separation of church and state means that the wider world has no right to defend itself from their efforts to make sin illegal.

Also, can you give me an example of where Christians have forced their beliefs on someone by law?

 

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Just because you hate what some people are saying it does not mean they are necessarily being hateful. It's like when someone reminds you of what Jesus said and you want to beat them up. Sometimes the hate is in you.

Just because you ban people from sports because you don't like their religion; just because you expel people for having ideas contrary to the Reich; just because you prohibit speech contrary to party goals, just because congress tries to shut down press that reports critically on them doesn't mean that you're Nazis.

Oh, wait a minute - that's exactly what it means - that you are as a matter of irrefutable fact, Nazis.

Fuck all Nazis.

No one has banned anyone from sports. Playing sports on Sunday doesn't ban anyone from playing sports at all. If you choose not to play sports on Sunday because it violates your religious beliefs, that's the essence of "freedom of religion". You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

But you can't claim victimhood for your own choices and beliefs. You made your choice. You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice. Especially when doing so, would limit the available playing time and actually reduce both the numbers of teams which could play, and would probably completely eliminate a 15th ranked team from playing at all.

What Oral Roberts University seems to be saying is they want to play with the cool kids, but they want everyone else to play by their rules. That's not how it works. If you want to join a league, you play by the league rules. If those rules are not acceptable to you, find a league with rules that you can live with, or make your own league with your own rules.

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe - within the limits of the law. When I have vegetarian friends over, I have a vegetarian option, but it doesn't mean I have to go meatless.

A Jewish friend once said to me he figured that Easter wasn't a very important Christian holiday and I was shocked by this. My response was that not only was Easter an important Christian holiday, it was THE most important holiday in Christianity. It's the belief in the Crucifiction and the

This is the liberals wanting to cancel the university. It has nothing to do with sports. That's just the punishment du jour.

Nothing liberal about it. You can't be a liberal then say and do illiberal things.

Liberal, progressive, left, global. All the same. And they are destroying our country...

If liberals are "destroying your country", why is every economic crash in the past 100 years under the helm of a Republican President, operating under a Republican tax code?

If liberals are "destroying your country", why has the middle class declined since 1980, and cratered in 2020? Every time conservatives crash the economy, America turns to Democrats to patch it up and get it back on the rails.

Nothing fails like Republican economic policies.

If this is fact and not emotion...then why do republicans win every other cycle (give or take)?

Republicans have lost the popular vote in every Presidential election save one since 2000, and yet they've held the White House for 12 of the past 20 years.

In 2020 the Republican Party had no platform, no plans, no agenda, nothing but Trump, and his record of incompetence and chaos. In response to losing the election, their first instinct isn't to get rid of Trump and develop new ideas and a platform to appeal to a wider swath of voters, it's to stop minorities and the poor from voting in large numbers before the next election.

When Obama was in office, 70% of the talking heads on the MSM and FOX News were Republicans slamming the Obama economic recovery as the "worst recovery in American history", when in fact it was the best. The longest, most successful, most sustained recovery in American history, and one that Trump took credit for the moment he took office.

Then you have a large billionaire owned right wing media with a vested interest in keep tax cutting Republicans in office. Look at the fact check record for FOX, or Breitbart, or the Sinclair network. All of those privately owned media corporations are pushing Republican policies because their owners are billionaires - the only class of people who do actively benefit from Republican governance.

It's a combination of all of those things, but the American people are waking up to the basic dishonesty of Republicans and their obsession with white power at this point in history. And what's it's costing the country in both the short and long term.

You're free to choose your own beliefs and adhere to your own principles.

You don't get to force the rest of us to make the same choice

Freedom of religion means the rest of us are free from YOUR religion, and you are free to do as you believe

Yes yes yes!! Your post is full of truths and great ideas! So, this means you'll apply all of those ideas to your forcing your beliefs on other people, correct?

No one is forcing their beliefs on Christian Universities, but under their current belief structures, they don't qualify for membership in the NCAA. Just like gay couples don't qualify to attend Oral Roberts University because they can't meet the "community standards" pledge the University requires. Oral Roberts University doesn't meet "community standards" that the NCAA requires.

What is absolutely hilarious is that you fail to see the irony in this.

What i mean is, Christians can't force their beliefs on you, so you shouldn't force your beliefs on them, right?

When have Christians failed to force Christian beliefs on the rest of the nation? Christian religious holidays - Christmas, Good Friday, Easter, are public holidays. What other religion closes down the nation to celebrate their holidays? There used to be laws requiring businesses to be closed on Sundays, so Christians could go to Church, too.

Conservatives have used the Bible to argue in favour of slavery, against bi-racial marriage and gay marriage. It's also been used to refuse rights to women and minorities. Until recently the Mormon Church would not allow either blacks or Native Americans to hold office in their Church.

Americans have pushed back and based their laws on secular concerns regarding rights for non-white, women and gays, but recently the independent and wealthy "mega-churches" have aligned themselves behind the Republican Party in return for which the Republicans have adopted policies which are in opposition to rights for women, gays, or minorities.

These independent conservative congregations are preaching a brand of "prosperity Christianity" which has no basis in scripture or Biblical references. Jesus preached AGAINST excessive wealth, and urged followers to sell their possessions and give to the poor. Crystals Cathedrals aren't doing much charity work. The Mormon Church is sitting on billions of dollars in "investments".

These independent churches have been seeking political power for generations, and this is the antithesis of the separation of Church and State. But when they oppose one President as "demonic", but then call Trump "God's chosen one", saying that while not perfect, he wouldn't have been elected if God didn't want him in office. Huh?

Well if someone isn't elected unless God wants them to be elected, then doesn't that mean that God wanted Obama to be elected? Shouldn't they now be supporting President Biden, since Trump would not have lost office unless God wanted him to lose?

These evangelical fringe crazies are on a quest to establish a theocracy in the USA. That's behind their quest to control the courts, and overturn socially liberal laws regarding gay marriage and women's rights. They're brainwashing from the pulpit, demonizing Democrats and leftists are being anti-Christian, which is an utter falsehood. It's time to stop these wealthy so-called "men of God" from seeking political power using the pulpit to sell the idea that Democrats can't be voted for because they're policies are "sinful".

Just read any of Tree's posts. That shit comes straight from the pulpit, and that needs to be stopped. That's exactly WHY the Founders sought to separate Church and State.