DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

[jc456]

whoa, another comment with the article. these are from two different sites. one was from Allen West and then this site I'm quoting with this comment
snip:


Repeat after me: public employees don't pay taxes.

Say this as many times as you need to until is sinks in. NO public employee pays ANYthing for taxes, retirement, unemployment insurance, medical benefits, ANY of it.

This is a fundament of economics as simple as you get more of what you subsidize and less of what you tax. and almost no one gets it and certainly no one is talking about it. Not out in the open. It’s contrary to how our consensus public education victimhood would have us think about wealth creation, redistribution, generational theft.

How can someone who is PAID by taxing the wage-earners, the ones who CREATE value in the economy, pay taxes? It may say they do on their pay stub, sure, and they are asked to put in a little more for benefits, but in reality, every time a public employee from President Obeyme down to the least-paid garbage collector (cough-cough don't they make something like $200,000 a year in New York City?) gets a raise, it is paid for by someone who MAKES that money. The money they are paid is redistributed from wage-earners.

Think of it this way: a public employee saying the too pay taxes is like a man standing in a bathtub with a tea cup scooping up and pouring out water saying “see, I’m filling the tub.”

Think it over. Change the conversation. Pass it along. Open someone else's eyes.

The discussion should be, are we truly getting value for our money spent and how do we take control of government “by, of and for the people” back from politicians corrupted by taxpayers dollars laundered through teachers/public employee unions, planned parenthood, Solyndra, GE, and all the rest?

How do we delegitimize the naming of roads, public buildings, parks, stadiums after “public officials” who have made a lifetime’s wealth out of bilking the true wage-earners out of the fruits of their labor and, like Mooch hell Obeyme, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, done their level best to make them feel guilty for wanting to keep more of it while they live large at wage earners’ children’s children’s children’s expense.

If you don’t get this, don’t argue, you’ll only display the depths of your ignorance for all to see.

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DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

public employees don't pay taxes
can i get all mine back that i paid over the last 33 years then?...just askin...

Your deductions in part went to pay your wages. Get it?.....

no i dont my check was from the PO not the tax payer....get it?....now if i did not pay taxes,can i get mine back?....

UGH....come on Harry, don't play Captain Obvious.
BTW, you cannot have it both ways.
You claim your PO wages are not funded by taxes. Ok, then leave it alone. Why get involved?
The issue here is federal employment which is painfully bloated and out of control.

you said and i quote...."Your deductions in part went to pay your wages."......which is implying the tax payer pays postal employees which is bull....i got paid by a company that made its own money and i paid taxes like everyone else....AND i was replying to what steph said...public employees don't pay taxes....i sure as hell did...

well technically steph is right. A public employee paid by tax payers money, does not inject new tax dollars into the system. Understand?

 

[jc456]

What jobs did trump send over seas, libturd liar!

I cannot believed you are asking this question at the same time calling people liar.
The products he sells at trump hotels and casinos. Where do you think those products came from? California? The link might help you.
About 85% of my consumables are made overseas. I can assure you 100% that Trump is full of shit. I do not believed any of his crap that scaring people.
His been telling these for years and yet he has not set up any single manufacturing operations here in US. He knows he can't because his products will be so expensive that no one will buy.

Trump Sells Chinese Goods While Accusing China of Stealing US Jobs

So, you have no job he shipped out. Didn't think so

My products are made over seas. I shipped jobs overseas.
Trump products are made overseas. Trump shipped jobs overseas. I cannot make it simpler than that.

dude, it's what you claimed that is in error. he did not send jobs over seas, he used overseas products, but you said he sent jobs over seas, which is a lie. Pure and simple. So that makes you a liar.

Damn....Trumpsters sure are thick

If Trump were the patriot he claims, anything with the name TRUMP on it would be marked "Made in the USA"

I will agree with that. But again, wasn't the point of the discussion.

And is an entirely different discussion to have.

 

[jc456]

The Federal Government Now Employs the Fewest People Since 1966

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If you ignore the contractors as was already pointed out by Ice.

The Federal Government Now Employs the Fewest People Since 1966

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If you ignore the contractors as was already pointed out by Ice.

Those are private sector jobs.

They are private sector jobs doing what government employees can't or won't do and are paid with taxpayers money.

I stayed on topic for the thread. The OP specifically stated that the jobs in question created NO WEALTH for the country. Automatically, that would preclude private sector jobs from being part of the equation at all.[/QUOTE]
well again, the OP is correct. If tax payer money is used to pay salaries, those employee salaries add no new money to the government when those employees pay taxes. do you understand that?

In other words, without private money, government revenue would dry up.

 

[Harry Dresden]

There are good government workers, I've worked for many. But there are a LOT of worthless deadbeats too stupid to be employable in the private sector. When government started allowing unions in they worked against our best interest and we have no recourse. We can't simply use another government.

This is what happens when Democrats are put in power, they put the unions in, the unions take dues from the employees and funnel it right back into the Democrats party. It should be illegal, any private company that did that would be indicted.

so the Teamsters never gave to the Democrats?

After they took the dues. Are you high? Still?

so i was right?....and what does being high have to do with the question i asked?..

You must be high. I said unions and the Teamsters are a union. WTF are you babbling about?

you made it sound like govt unions are the ones who are the bad guys since you were bagging on govt employees....if i misunderstood you im sorry.....

 

[jc456]

There are good government workers, I've worked for many. But there are a LOT of worthless deadbeats too stupid to be employable in the private sector. When government started allowing unions in they worked against our best interest and we have no recourse. We can't simply use another government.

This is what happens when Democrats are put in power, they put the unions in, the unions take dues from the employees and funnel it right back into the Democrats party. It should be illegal, any private company that did that would be indicted.

so the Teamsters never gave to the Democrats?

After they took the dues. Are you high? Still?

so i was right?....and what does being high have to do with the question i asked?..

You must be high. I said unions and the Teamsters are a union. WTF are you babbling about?

you made it sound like govt unions are the ones who are the bad guys since you were bagging on govt employees....if i misunderstood you im sorry.....

they are bad guys.

 

[Harry Dresden]

public employees don't pay taxes
can i get all mine back that i paid over the last 33 years then?...just askin...

Your deductions in part went to pay your wages. Get it?.....

no i dont my check was from the PO not the tax payer....get it?....now if i did not pay taxes,can i get mine back?....

UGH....come on Harry, don't play Captain Obvious.
BTW, you cannot have it both ways.
You claim your PO wages are not funded by taxes. Ok, then leave it alone. Why get involved?
The issue here is federal employment which is painfully bloated and out of control.

you said and i quote...."Your deductions in part went to pay your wages."......which is implying the tax payer pays postal employees which is bull....i got paid by a company that made its own money and i paid taxes like everyone else....AND i was replying to what steph said...public employees don't pay taxes....i sure as hell did...

well technically steph is right. A public employee paid by tax payers money, does not inject new tax dollars into the system. Understand?

then she should have put it that way....but he is still paying taxes....do you understand?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

so the Teamsters never gave to the Democrats?

After they took the dues. Are you high? Still?

so i was right?....and what does being high have to do with the question i asked?..

You must be high. I said unions and the Teamsters are a union. WTF are you babbling about?

you made it sound like govt unions are the ones who are the bad guys since you were bagging on govt employees....if i misunderstood you im sorry.....

they are bad guys.

so are private ones....yea i know i was shocked too...

 

[charwin95]

The size of the government workforce has remained stable for 50 years....Trump and his capitalist buddies have sent manufacturing jobs overseas

So blame the government workers....can you expect more from Alllen West?

What jobs did trump send over seas, libturd liar!

I cannot believed you are asking this question at the same time calling people liar.
The products he sells at trump hotels and casinos. Where do you think those products came from? California? The link might help you.
About 85% of my consumables are made overseas. I can assure you 100% that Trump is full of shit. I do not believed any of his crap that scaring people.
His been telling these for years and yet he has not set up any single manufacturing operations here in US. He knows he can't because his products will be so expensive that no one will buy.

Trump Sells Chinese Goods While Accusing China of Stealing US Jobs

So, you have no job he shipped out. Didn't think so

My products are made over seas. I shipped jobs overseas.
Trump products are made overseas. Trump shipped jobs overseas. I cannot make it simpler than that.

dude, it's what you claimed that is in error. he did not send jobs over seas, he used overseas products, but you said he sent jobs over seas, which is a lie. Pure and simple. So that makes you a liar.

What is your definition of shopping jobs overseas? That's funny. I've been doing this business for 28 years. You don't know anything about import and export then telling me I'm a liar. No wonder you are Trump supporter. Since you call me a liar then I will call you ignorant.
My products are made over seas then sell it here. Trump products are made in China then sell it here. Who do you think are doing those jobs? Hope this link will help you clear your confusion.

Trump The Hypocrite: Investing Overseas Fine For Him

 

[KissMy]

Republicans are the party of BIG GOVERNMENT. That's an undeniable FACT!

 

[jc456]

What jobs did trump send over seas, libturd liar!

I cannot believed you are asking this question at the same time calling people liar.
The products he sells at trump hotels and casinos. Where do you think those products came from? California? The link might help you.
About 85% of my consumables are made overseas. I can assure you 100% that Trump is full of shit. I do not believed any of his crap that scaring people.
His been telling these for years and yet he has not set up any single manufacturing operations here in US. He knows he can't because his products will be so expensive that no one will buy.

Trump Sells Chinese Goods While Accusing China of Stealing US Jobs

So, you have no job he shipped out. Didn't think so

My products are made over seas. I shipped jobs overseas.
Trump products are made overseas. Trump shipped jobs overseas. I cannot make it simpler than that.

dude, it's what you claimed that is in error. he did not send jobs over seas, he used overseas products, but you said he sent jobs over seas, which is a lie. Pure and simple. So that makes you a liar.

What is your definition of shopping jobs overseas? That's funny. I've been doing this business for 28 years. You don't know anything about import and export then telling me I'm a liar. No wonder you are Trump supporter. Since you call me a liar then I will call you ignorant.
My products are made over seas then sell it here. Trump products are made in China then sell it here. Who do you think are doing those jobs? Hope this link will help you clear your confusion.

Trump The Hypocrite: Investing Overseas Fine For Him

I asked you for the company name Trump shipped over seas. you got nothing. So the fact you claimed he shipped jobs over seas and he hasn't makes you a liar. That's how I get there.

Your links don't back your story fool

 

[Stephanie]

this was a comment with the article:
snip:
Gov workers are destroying this country.

They get paid double what their private sector counterparts are paid (benefits), retire earlier (55), get every city, county, state and federal holiday off, never work more than 40 hours a week, complain endlessly, as a group vote for those who raise taxes and then (endlessly) increase their salaries (annual 2% cola plus 2-5% performance), are mostly unionized, and produce absolutely NO wealth for the country.

Any hope for revitalizing this country’s economy begins with massive defunding of gov workers salaries, pensions and benefits.

Otherwise it’s same ole same ole, higher taxes to accommodate the unionized gov workers constant demand for salary increases.

DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

They get paid double what their private sector counterparts are paid (benefits)
UPS drivers made $5.00 more an hour than me and had some nice Teamster Benefits
retire earlier (55)
to get full benefits you have to put 30 years in.....and in the line of work i was in you usually have bad ankles or knees,bad back or shoulders,some have scars from dog attacks to show for that time in...
get every city, county, state and federal holiday off
bullshit....i only got federal ones no state or county or city....
never work more than 40 hours a week
oh really?....very seldom did i go 40....usually 50 plus, especially during Christmas and election time....
complain endlessly
some did some didnt but other jobs dont have complainers?.....
and produce absolutely NO wealth for the country.
the PO makes billions.....no other agency can say that....and if congress did not call the shots the PO would turn a profit....

My dear, I knew that would upset you and it wasn't my quote. I'm not against ALL Fed. workers. it's just there is SO many now doing work that could go out to
private sector, be done for cheaper and not have taxpayers paying for it all

 

[Stephanie]

whoa, another comment with the article. these are from two different sites. one was from Allen West and then this site I'm quoting with this comment
snip:


Repeat after me: public employees don't pay taxes.

Say this as many times as you need to until is sinks in. NO public employee pays ANYthing for taxes, retirement, unemployment insurance, medical benefits, ANY of it.

This is a fundament of economics as simple as you get more of what you subsidize and less of what you tax. and almost no one gets it and certainly no one is talking about it. Not out in the open. It’s contrary to how our consensus public education victimhood would have us think about wealth creation, redistribution, generational theft.

How can someone who is PAID by taxing the wage-earners, the ones who CREATE value in the economy, pay taxes? It may say they do on their pay stub, sure, and they are asked to put in a little more for benefits, but in reality, every time a public employee from President Obeyme down to the least-paid garbage collector (cough-cough don't they make something like $200,000 a year in New York City?) gets a raise, it is paid for by someone who MAKES that money. The money they are paid is redistributed from wage-earners.

Think of it this way: a public employee saying the too pay taxes is like a man standing in a bathtub with a tea cup scooping up and pouring out water saying “see, I’m filling the tub.”

Think it over. Change the conversation. Pass it along. Open someone else's eyes.

The discussion should be, are we truly getting value for our money spent and how do we take control of government “by, of and for the people” back from politicians corrupted by taxpayers dollars laundered through teachers/public employee unions, planned parenthood, Solyndra, GE, and all the rest?

How do we delegitimize the naming of roads, public buildings, parks, stadiums after “public officials” who have made a lifetime’s wealth out of bilking the true wage-earners out of the fruits of their labor and, like Mooch hell Obeyme, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren, done their level best to make them feel guilty for wanting to keep more of it while they live large at wage earners’ children’s children’s children’s expense.

If you don’t get this, don’t argue, you’ll only display the depths of your ignorance for all to see.

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DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

public employees don't pay taxes
can i get all mine back that i paid over the last 33 years then?...just askin...

they explained it I thought it was interesting so I posted it. I know you worked for the Post office so stop taking it all personally

 

[TNHarley]

Another problem with having such a Monster blood sucking Federal government . they are sucking the life from those of us who has to PAY for them. They've now become a burden on us all.

SNIP:


DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…
Written by The Analytical Economist on January 9, 2016


It’s a good thing Trump wants to rebuild our manufacturing base, because it truly has taken a hit. We’ve turned from a nation of builders to burger flippers.

To put in perspective just how bad things have gotten – there were more Americans employed in manufacturing in the months leading up to Pearl Harbor than there are today, despite the fact that the population then was a fraction of what it is today.

In that time, there was 1 person employed in manufacturing for every 10.6 people in the overall population compared to 1 person employed in government for every 26.1 people in the overall population.

Oh how things have changed. As CNS News reported:

The 2015 Federal budget spends an unprecedented $3.7 trillion which leaves us with a deficit of over half a trillion dollars.



Those employed by government in the United States in August of this year outnumbered those employed in the manufacturing sector by almost 1.8 to 1, according to data published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

There were 21,995,000 employed by federal, state and local government in the United States in August, according to BLS. By contrast, there were only 12,329,000 employed in the manufacturing sector.

The 2015 Federal budget spends an unprecedented $3.7 trillion which leaves us with a deficit of over half a trillion dollars.


ALL of it here:
DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along... - Allen B. West - AllenBWest.com

The size of the government workforce has remained stable for 50 years....Trump and his capitalist buddies have sent manufacturing jobs overseas

So blame the government workers....can you expect more from Alllen West?

That would be the duopoly you dumbfucks keep voting for.
Dumbfuck.

 

[TNHarley]

this was a comment with the article:
snip:
Gov workers are destroying this country.

They get paid double what their private sector counterparts are paid (benefits), retire earlier (55), get every city, county, state and federal holiday off, never work more than 40 hours a week, complain endlessly, as a group vote for those who raise taxes and then (endlessly) increase their salaries (annual 2% cola plus 2-5% performance), are mostly unionized, and produce absolutely NO wealth for the country.

Any hope for revitalizing this country’s economy begins with massive defunding of gov workers salaries, pensions and benefits.

Otherwise it’s same ole same ole, higher taxes to accommodate the unionized gov workers constant demand for salary increases.

DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

So, you destroyed the private sector jobs. You engaged in union busting. You drove down wages. You want to punish government workers rather than do anything to bring back the jobs because...........if you're miserable you want everyone else to suck it as much as you?

drove down wages? union busting?
Please explain how artificial rises in wages is a good thing?
Please explain how suing a company for firing a worker for doing drugs on break is a good thing?

this was a comment with the article:
snip:
Gov workers are destroying this country.

They get paid double what their private sector counterparts are paid (benefits), retire earlier (55), get every city, county, state and federal holiday off, never work more than 40 hours a week, complain endlessly, as a group vote for those who raise taxes and then (endlessly) increase their salaries (annual 2% cola plus 2-5% performance), are mostly unionized, and produce absolutely NO wealth for the country.

Any hope for revitalizing this country’s economy begins with massive defunding of gov workers salaries, pensions and benefits.

Otherwise it’s same ole same ole, higher taxes to accommodate the unionized gov workers constant demand for salary increases.

DISTURBING fact about government workers shows Trump was right on this point all along…

So, you destroyed the private sector jobs. You engaged in union busting. You drove down wages. You want to punish government workers rather than do anything to bring back the jobs because...........if you're miserable you want everyone else to suck it as much as you?

Yanno, that's a crock of lo-info happy horse crap so common among loony lefties.

Starting in the 1960s we pushed heavy manufacturing and those jobs out of the country on environmental grounds. By the 1980s technology (computers, robotics) continued the job displacement trend.

Take heart, though.

Thanks to the rapid expansion of fast food joints and bloated government more Americans are working than ever. On the other hand bloated gov't entitlement programs mean the taxes collected don't come close to covering the bill.

Something has to give. Please consider that the next time you promote more spending of OPC (other people's cash).

IMF agrees: Decline of union power has increased income inequality

LMAO
Please explain to the class how artificial rises in wages are a goof thing?

 

[TNHarley]

Who do lefties always bring up basic govt services?
Are they THAT fuckin desperate?

 

[KissMy]

Wages rising & prices falling creating more disposable income instead of government dependents having to live paycheck to paycheck & going bankrupt over doctor visits. Thank you Obama for helping the working class instead of subsidizing the Rich job destroyers.

 

[westwall]

The size of the government workforce has remained stable for 50 years....

do you lie all the time or just on USMB??

You lie like it's your job. Is it your job?

Many formerly federal functions have been dumped onto the states thus the real growth is in state and local gov't since 1960:

10 million in 1965
19 million in 2006
22 million in 2015

My point was that the number of federal employees has remained constant while the population has doubled. A President Trump would only have control over the federal workforce and could do nothing about state and local employees.

What impact would doubling the population have on local government employees? More people in a community means you need to hire more teachers, policemen, firemen, garbage collectors. Makes sense the number would rise....why would conservatives be outraged?

Which only looks at half of the equation. In other words you either didn't know what the State government employee situation was, in which case you look ignorant, or you did know and chose to ignore that, in which case you're being dishonest.

So, which is it?

 

[charwin95]

I cannot believed you are asking this question at the same time calling people liar.
The products he sells at trump hotels and casinos. Where do you think those products came from? California? The link might help you.
About 85% of my consumables are made overseas. I can assure you 100% that Trump is full of shit. I do not believed any of his crap that scaring people.
His been telling these for years and yet he has not set up any single manufacturing operations here in US. He knows he can't because his products will be so expensive that no one will buy.

Trump Sells Chinese Goods While Accusing China of Stealing US Jobs

So, you have no job he shipped out. Didn't think so

My products are made over seas. I shipped jobs overseas.
Trump products are made overseas. Trump shipped jobs overseas. I cannot make it simpler than that.

dude, it's what you claimed that is in error. he did not send jobs over seas, he used overseas products, but you said he sent jobs over seas, which is a lie. Pure and simple. So that makes you a liar.

What is your definition of shopping jobs overseas? That's funny. I've been doing this business for 28 years. You don't know anything about import and export then telling me I'm a liar. No wonder you are Trump supporter. Since you call me a liar then I will call you ignorant.
My products are made over seas then sell it here. Trump products are made in China then sell it here. Who do you think are doing those jobs? Hope this link will help you clear your confusion.

Trump The Hypocrite: Investing Overseas Fine For Him

I asked you for the company name Trump shipped over seas. you got nothing. So the fact you claimed he shipped jobs over seas and he hasn't makes you a liar. That's how I get there.

Your links don't back your story fool

Dude...... I don't have to provide you a name of the companies that makes Trump products overseas. You are more ignorant than I thought. His products are made and comes from China. Period and you are denying it. You are as hypocrite as Trump. How you got here or there is a question of idiopathic and ignorant worthless nonsense.
The link came from well know economist just to let you know.

 

[jc456]

So, you have no job he shipped out. Didn't think so

My products are made over seas. I shipped jobs overseas.
Trump products are made overseas. Trump shipped jobs overseas. I cannot make it simpler than that.

dude, it's what you claimed that is in error. he did not send jobs over seas, he used overseas products, but you said he sent jobs over seas, which is a lie. Pure and simple. So that makes you a liar.

What is your definition of shopping jobs overseas? That's funny. I've been doing this business for 28 years. You don't know anything about import and export then telling me I'm a liar. No wonder you are Trump supporter. Since you call me a liar then I will call you ignorant.
My products are made over seas then sell it here. Trump products are made in China then sell it here. Who do you think are doing those jobs? Hope this link will help you clear your confusion.

Trump The Hypocrite: Investing Overseas Fine For Him

I asked you for the company name Trump shipped over seas. you got nothing. So the fact you claimed he shipped jobs over seas and he hasn't makes you a liar. That's how I get there.

Your links don't back your story fool

Dude...... I don't have to provide you a name of the companies that makes Trump products overseas. You are more ignorant than I thought. His products are made and comes from China. Period and you are denying it. You are as hypocrite as Trump. How you got here or there is a question of idiopathic and ignorant worthless nonsense.
The link came from well know economist just to let you know.

dude you don't have to do anything. I give a fk what it is you're doing. I do recognize a liar when one posts in here and you are every bit the liar. Just letting the folks in here know you have no idea what you post as fact. And that you are a liar. be proud of your lies, why should you have to prove what you post, it's just a fkn message board.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Just so we are clear. Say found an article that made him feel good. Unfortunately, that isn't how it works.

The key ingredient in unequal income is unequal effort.

The loss of "union power" does not support your bogus claim that Steph "destroyed the private sector jobs."

That loss is a direct result of diminished union membership and there's a myriad of reasons for that, including the unions themselves:

"In 2011 Giant Eagle grocery stores gave several employees in Edinboro, Pa., raises. United Food and Commercial Workers Local 23 promptly sued, arguing their contract prevented the company from awarding individual pay increases. The courts agreed and ordered Giant Eagle to rescind the raises. Local 23 wanted everyone to make the same amount, no matter how good they were at their job."

Why Union Membership is Declining

No.
Was there a contract involved? What did the contract say?
http://op.bna.com.s3.amazonaws.com/dlrcases.nsf/r?Open=ldue-92hrda

You really are every bit as stupid as your posts make you seem.

The article specifically notes the raises were contrary to the union contract. The point - not that it would make any sense to one such as you - is that the union was so petty that it took the company to court to enforce LOWER PAY for the employees involved.

Damn you are stupid.

The union didn't take them to court, brainless. It was the other way around. Read it. Is there anything else that I can help you with today?

Wow ... just WOW.

I even posted the quote to make it easy for you. Evidently English isn't your language of choice:

" In 2011 Giant Eagle grocery stores gave several employees in Edinboro, Pa., raises. United Food and Commercial Workers Local 23 promptly sued, arguing their contract prevented the company from awarding individual pay increases. The courts agreed and ordered Giant Eagle to rescind the raises. Local 23 wanted everyone to make the same amount, no matter how good they were at their job."

You loony lefties are terminally stupid and there's still no cure for that that.

I brought you the court document. Local 23 went to the arbitrator. The arbitrator agreed with the union. Giant Eagle sued. Try again.

The court was unfortunately bound by an archaic law.
For purposes of this discussion the ruling is immaterial.
The issue here is the lunacy of union rules such as the one in the Giant Eagle case which prevent exemplary employees from being properly compensated.
These kinds of union rules create complacency and mediocrity. Meaning, the good workers have to carry the water for the slackers while the slackers get paid the same as to the good workers.
IMO Giant Eagle would be wise to reject any contract proposal once the current one expires.
Good faith? HA! That is SO one way. The union gets to hold the employer over a barrel because 50 or more years ago. state legislatures were inclined to write laws favorable to big labor.
One by one, unionized businesses are becoming non union.
Unions are DEAD