Do Palestinians Have the Right to Defend Themselves?

Has there ever been a debate that Tinmore won ??

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?
 
Has there ever been a debate that Tinmore won ??

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?

Nothing is edited at all. You proved nothing You just can't take the truth. There are not just 2 or 3 documents, there are 100s of archived official documents that support every claim I make. That's why it's so easy to demonstrate that everything you claim is a lie and propaganda.
 
Has there ever been a debate that Tinmore won ??

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?

Nothing is edited at all. You proved nothing You just can't take the truth. There are not just 2 or 3 documents, there are 100s of archived official documents that support every claim I make. That's why it's so easy to demonstrate that everything you claim is a lie and propaganda.

You've claimed that Jews have killed and are killing Christians both in and out of the Israel. That is a total falsehood and a lame attempt by a Jew hating propogandist to instigate medieval antisemtism against Jews. Non of your documents prove this, or any of your claims that the jews stole Palestine from the Palestinians.

You are a mentally ill Jew hater and probably a paid shill.
 
But he sure does a great job of spamming the board once he latches onto some 'document'

Oh dear, facts like UN Resolutions are just "some documents". You are certainly entertaining. A clown so to speak.




Facts like UN resolutions are not legally binding and are only recommendations seem to make no difference to your train of thought do they. When did the UN last pass a LAW ?
The UN cannot pass law. It is not a legislative body.

The UN does mention already existing law that is binding even if the resolution, in itself, is not.



Thank you so this means that palestine never existed as a nation and never will......................
The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?



Yes the Mandate for Palestine that at no time mentions a Palestinian nation. It does mention a Nationallity law to ive the inhabitants the protecting powers nationality. In this case they became British mandate Palestinians, that was all that was given. You really must stop reading the crap that muslim writes about his interpretation of treaties and laws.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You saying this does not make it true. You are spreading disinformation to justify Palestinian criminal misconduct and barbarism.

Attacks on occupiers are not violations of international law.

They may be seen as violations of domestic laws and can be addressed by police not military action.
(COMMENT)

Read it carefully. It is International Humanitarian Law:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty

  • ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]

    Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [ Link ] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
    The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
    The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
    In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.

In this case, the "Occupying Power" means Israel. The "Protected Persons" are the Arab Palestinians. So, in fact what it says is:

Arab Palestinians who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm Israel, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the Israeli forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the Israeli forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [Link] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.

The penal provisions promulgated by Israel in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a Arab Palestinian only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of Israel or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began (Jordanian Law).
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a Arab Palestinian unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of Israel, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a Arab Palestinian who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.​

It is totally inappropriate for advocates of Arab Palestinian Lawlessness to suggest to their followers that offense which are solely intended to harm Israel, and cases of espionage, or serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of Israel, or of intentional offenses which have caused the death of one or more persons, authorized under law and not subject to criminal punishment.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, in general --- everyone has the immediate right of self-defense.

(COMMENT)

Yes, Clause 3 of the Preamble to General Assembly Resolution 217 A (III) of December 10, 1948, does say this. But having said that, do not misinterpret it as some sort of "right." It is not! It is a type of criminal defense. Remember, GA/RES/ 217A (III) --- Declaration of Human Rights --- is a non-binding resolution expressing the "sense of the General Assembly." It does not supersede Article 68 of the Geneva Convention IV (International Human Rights Law) which holds people performing actions solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, criminally accountable and subject to criminal penalties. It is not a right to use force against the Occupying Power.

(COMMENT)

Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960

Universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination
Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 49/148 A/RES/49/148 23 December 1994

A/RES/2105(XX) Plenary 23 A/PV.1405 20 Dec. 1965 Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
74-6-27 A/L.476/Rev.1, Rev.1Cor.1 and Rev.1/Add.1

The key word here is: "Invited" --- "More, the assembly invited "all States to provide material and moral assistance to the national liberation movements in colonial territories."

This is one of the trickiest concepts ever in terms of International Politics and Diplomacy. It is not expected, in our lifetimes anyway, that any of the world powers are going to let this become international law. In terms of contemporary history, the case of Taiwan, wherein China threaten to go to war if the UN allowed and recognized Taiwan's independence from China. And of course there is the case of the Kurdish population and the want for an independent Kurdistan. More recently and through military intervention, the case of the internationally recognized Ukrainian territory of Crimea being annexed by the Russian Federation in March 2014.

While it is lofty to say --- that all peoples have the right of self-defense and the right of self-determination, in reality the price of such an ideal can be too much to endure.

(COMMENT)

The adoption of General Assembly Resolution 3236 (XXIX) --- A Question of Palestine, is problematic. It is a non-binding Resolution that makes demands that cannot be reasonably attained.

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;
(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;
It stipulates that the Palestinians have these non-retractable rights, yet does not say:
  • Palestinian people is entitled to self-determination IAW the Charter, but does not say to what territory that pertains.
  • It says that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination, but does not specify the conflict resolution between what the Palestinians demand (Palestine from the river to the sea) and what is under Israeli sovereignty.
  • It indicates that the Palestinians have a right to overrun the Jewish National Home in the return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced. But does not indicate the solution to the Israeli Rights to sovereignty, territorial integrity, and independence of the Jewish National Home.
Basically, it is unworkable. Given the history of the Jewish People, Israel is never going to put their fate in the hands of anti-semitic Jihadist and Fedayeen.

(COMMENT)

Well, I encourage everyone to read the Clause for themselves.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol I), 8 June 1977.
General principles and scope of application
Article 1 [ Link ] -- General principles and scope of application
1. The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for this Protocol in all circumstances.
2. In cases not covered by this Protocol or by other international agreements, civilians and combatants remain under the protection and authority of the principles of international law derived from established custom, from the principles of humanity and from the dictates of public conscience.
3. This Protocol, which supplements the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims, shall apply in the situations referred to in Article 2 [ Link ] common to those Conventions.
4. The situations referred to in the preceding paragraph include armed conflicts in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist régimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination, as enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations and the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
First, the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States is in fact General Assembly Resolution 2625 (XXV), a non-binding resolution. But even if it were binding, the Declaration of Principles does not, in any fashion, support the use of force or armed struggle. It restates that (not all inclusive):

Convinced that the strict observance by States of the obligation not to intervene in the affairs of any other State is an essential condition to ensure that nations live together in peace with one another, since the practice of any form of intervention not only violates the spirit and letter of the Charter, but also leads to the creation of situations which threaten international peace and security,

Recalling the duty of States to refrain in their international relations from military, political, economic or any other form of coercion aimed against the political independence or territorial integrity of any State,

Considering it essential that all States shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations,

Considering it equally essential that all States shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in accordance with the Charter,​

But it is also important to note what key factor are essential:

  • Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing or encouraging the organization of irregular forces or armed bands including mercenaries, for incursion into the territory of another State.

    Every State has the duty to refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in acts of civil strife or terrorist acts in another State or acquiescing in organized activities within its territory directed towards the commission of such acts, when the acts referred to in the present paragraph involve a threat or use of force.
There is nothing in the ICRC Geneva Conventions that even remotely suggests that the Palestinians are authorized some use of force to resolve disputes.

Most Respectfully,
R
NON OF THIS WAS RATIFIED BY THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL TO MAKE IT LAW...ISRAEL IS AN ILLEGAL STATE..fact,





DID NOT NEED TO BE AS IT ENTERED INTO INERNATIONAL LAW IN 1923
Not!

Where is "Israel" or "Jewish state" mentioned?




The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and




ART. 2.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion


ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
Still nothing about "Israel" or a "Jewish state," huh?




Semantics again when you an see that the Mandate for Palestine set in stone the land for the Jewish national home. You can call it anything you want it sill means the same thing as Israel or Jewish state.
 
NON OF THIS WAS RATIFIED BY THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL TO MAKE IT LAW...ISRAEL IS AN ILLEGAL STATE..fact,

Nope. The British, the League of Nations, and the Allies designated the land to be the future Jewish national home, after 700 years of Ottoman rule.
Designated IS NOT ratified<Roudy> the Palestinians were also designated.......Israel is an Illegal entity...........Who today would vote for an Israeli State on Palestinian Land>>>>>>>would be interesting to see.steve
DESIGNATED MEANS NOTHING IN LAW





International law means everything and Israel exists in International as the Homeland of the Jews in Palestine.


Now when did the UNSC ratify Australia ?



The UN knew it had no right legally nor the authority to partition Palestine. Its own legal subcommittee established to examine the legality to do so and authority to do so concluded as much.





Because INTRENATIONAL LAW of 1923 had already given the land to the Jews for their national home on 22% of Palestine.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, this is not exactly correct. A UN Security Council Resolution can have the force of law; depending on the language. It cannot be ambiguous.

But he sure does a great job of spamming the board once he latches onto some 'document'
Oh dear, facts like UN Resolutions are just "some documents". You are certainly entertaining. A clown so to speak.
Facts like UN resolutions are not legally binding and are only recommendations seem to make no difference to your train of thought do they. When did the UN last pass a LAW ?
The UN cannot pass law. It is not a legislative body.

The UN does mention already existing law that is binding even if the resolution, in itself, is not.
(COMMENT)

But you are absolutely right in another sense. And this goes back to the point that the Palestinians cannot use General Assembly Resolutions as an authority to further justify hostile actions; especially those that are in violation of International Humanitarian and Customary Law. The Palestinian has absolutely NO authority or right to either attack civilians or assault the Occupation Authority.

Most Respectfully,
R
Attacks on occupiers are not violations of international law.

They may be seen as violations of domestic laws and can be addressed by police not military action.




And if the occupied land is under martial law then the military are the police.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.



Only the British mandate. and the arab muslims refused to share power. Also the Mandate had already designated rans Jordan for the arab muslims but they were greedy and wanted everything. So the declined to enter into talks to negotiate a settlement. They resorted to violence and were beaten back by inferior forces .
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.
(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
I don't have anything to hide. I don't post on any other political site.

Really? You do not? Well, that not what you allude to here:

It Gets Even More Remarkable Page 39 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

Let me go over to SinkorSwim and let them know that you are doing the same crap here. By the way, I have a different name there.

Kind of shakes down everything else about you, IMHO.

I suspected SinkorSwim was Phoeny's site. To confirm it was, I used that post as bait. He admitted he banned me (within a few hours) of registering. I guess you didn't quite catch the drift.
So basically, you lied and now you're trying to make excuses for it.

No, I did not post on Phoney's board. He banned me before I could. He can confirm it.




I am afraid I cant confim that at all as I do not have the power to an anyone from that board.
I can confirm that you made a post to the board on April 14 2015. as the logs for the board show. And that breva is listed as a member using your aol email address. I will not LIE to cover for you when you have LIED on here.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.



Only the British mandate. and the arab muslims refused to share power. Also the Mandate had already designated rans Jordan for the arab muslims but they were greedy and wanted everything. So the declined to enter into talks to negotiate a settlement. They resorted to violence and were beaten back by inferior forces .

The Mandate did nothing of the sort. Trans-Jordania was a separate territory with a separate and different population and was reported on separately in the annual Interim Reports of the Mandatory.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.
(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R
"An Arab state." Not Palestine.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.



Only the British mandate. and the arab muslims refused to share power. Also the Mandate had already designated rans Jordan for the arab muslims but they were greedy and wanted everything. So the declined to enter into talks to negotiate a settlement. They resorted to violence and were beaten back by inferior forces .

The Mandate did nothing of the sort. Trans-Jordania was a separate territory with a separate and different population and was reported on separately in the annual Interim Reports of the Mandatory.






The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.




You were saying Abdul ? Here it is in the Mandate for Palestine in black and white
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.



Only the British mandate. and the arab muslims refused to share power. Also the Mandate had already designated rans Jordan for the arab muslims but they were greedy and wanted everything. So the declined to enter into talks to negotiate a settlement. They resorted to violence and were beaten back by inferior forces .

The Mandate did nothing of the sort. Trans-Jordania was a separate territory with a separate and different population and was reported on separately in the annual Interim Reports of the Mandatory.






The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate



ART. 25.
In the territories lying between the Jordan and the eastern boundary of Palestine as ultimately determined, the Mandatory shall be entitled, with the consent of the Council of the League of Nations, to postpone or withhold application of such provisions of this mandate as he may consider inapplicable to the existing local conditions, and to make such provision for the administration of the territories as he may consider suitable to those conditions, provided that no action shall be taken which is inconsistent with the provisions of Articles 15, 16 and 18.




You were saying Abdul ? Here it is in the Mandate for Palestine in black and white

:clap2:
Like I said. The liar edits out parts of documents that demolish his claims.
 
The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?

Nothing is edited at all. You proved nothing You just can't take the truth. There are not just 2 or 3 documents, there are 100s of archived official documents that support every claim I make. That's why it's so easy to demonstrate that everything you claim is a lie and propaganda.





STOP LYING and spamming this board. You have been told about tis before, just as you have been told about manipulating reports so hey ide with your POV. You get pulled up on them every day.

YOU ARE JUST A SPAMMER


No, the text is simple cut and paste from source documents. You can stamp your feet and whine all you want. It doesn't change the facts.
 
P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.
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The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R
"An Arab state." Not Palestine.
P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Do you have any documents that say different?
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The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R
I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.
(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R
"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

Endless excuses. Look, the Palestinians can either peacably leave, or attack Israel and die. Those are their only two options. Israel isn't going away, and they are not going to toss themselves into the sea and die for you.

So.... you can leave.... and live.... or attack Israel and die. I no longer care which of those you choose.
 
I don't have anything to hide. I don't post on any other political site.

Really? You do not? Well, that not what you allude to here:

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Let me go over to SinkorSwim and let them know that you are doing the same crap here. By the way, I have a different name there.

Kind of shakes down everything else about you, IMHO.

I suspected SinkorSwim was Phoeny's site. To confirm it was, I used that post as bait. He admitted he banned me (within a few hours) of registering. I guess you didn't quite catch the drift.
So basically, you lied and now you're trying to make excuses for it.

No, I did not post on Phoney's board. He banned me before I could. He can confirm it.

Awww the troll couldn't post his repetitive irrelevant Islamist propaganda on another board.

What a heartbreak.




The owner has read his/her input on this board and decided that they were not the type of people wanted, so withheld their membership. Seems that monte has been banned from other boards for spamming as well
 
Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.
 
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Nope. The British, the League of Nations, and the Allies designated the land to be the future Jewish national home, after 700 years of Ottoman rule.
Designated IS NOT ratified<Roudy> the Palestinians were also designated.......Israel is an Illegal entity...........Who today would vote for an Israeli State on Palestinian Land>>>>>>>would be interesting to see.steve

Eh stick it up your Mohammad. If Israel is "illegal" then so are the dozen or more Arab Muslim shitholes carved out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire after 700 years of Ottoman Rule: Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, UAE, Yemen, etc. etc. :cuckoo:
WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME Mohammed I know not.....I was merely stating fact.........Israel was never RATIFIED by the UN Security Council and thereby making it Unlawful.steve

I didn't call you Mohammad, I said stick it up your Mohammad, Abdul. Israel was declared a state by the UN as all the other Arab Muslim shitholes formed out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. Except in the case of Isrsel, five Arab countries attacked it the day it was declared a state.

In an attempt to prevent Israel from evicting non-Jews and stealing even more land.





And you have failed to prove this claim how many times now. The Jews were not stealing land as International law shows, and only evicted illegal immigrants that were attacking the Jews.
 

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