Do Palestinians Have the Right to Defend Themselves?

[montelatici]

Has there ever been a debate that Tinmore won ??

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

Well you have lost 6 today in just a short period of time, what does that tell you ?

The facts have won all the debates. It doesn't take much effort when the facts are on your side. As they say, doth protest too much.

 

[Phoenall]

Has there ever been a debate that Tinmore won ??

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

And accepting that when the same document destroys the POV moving on and sending the link to the recycle bin. Not to keep SPAMMING the board with the same irrelevant islamomoronic crap.

 

[Phoenall]

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?

Nothing is edited at all. You proved nothing You just can't take the truth. There are not just 2 or 3 documents, there are 100s of archived official documents that support every claim I make. That's why it's so easy to demonstrate that everything you claim is a lie and propaganda.

STOP LYING and spamming this board. You have been told about tis before, just as you have been told about manipulating reports so hey ide with your POV. You get pulled up on them every day.

YOU ARE JUST A SPAMMER

No, the text is simple cut and paste from source documents. You can stamp your feet and whine all you want. It doesn't change the facts.

Yet you seem to think it does when the same source disproves what you are implying. This is called SPAMMING something you do a lot of.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

You missed 5 STATUS QUO

 

[montelatici]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

You missed 5 STATUS QUO

That's no 2.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

You missed 5 STATUS QUO

That's no 2.

No No2 is your RACIST LIE

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- you are parsing words.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

Do you have any documents that say different?

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.

(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Palestine is a Mandate Term for the territory to which the Mandate applied (or formerly applied). The perimeter of the territory was surveyed-out by the Allied Powers, as determined by the that area surrendered by the Ottoman Empire (1918) and relinquished by the Republic of Turkey (1920).

Armistice of Mudros, (30 October 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.

ARTICLE 139 (10 August 1920) Treaty between the Principle Allied Powers and the High Contracting Parties with the Government and His Majesty the Sultan, Ottoman Empire

Turkey renounces formally all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction of any kind over Moslems who are subject to the sovereignty or protectorate of any other State.

No power shall be exercised directly or indirectly by any Turkish authority whatever in any territory detached from Turkey or of which the existing status under the present Treaty is recognized by Turkey.​

In either case, the Arab Palestinian (citizens of the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting as said government) where not the successors of any sovereign authority. The Allied Powers "can" provisionally recognized the existence as independent nations (it did not have to make provisional recognition) --- subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Treaty of Peace with Turkey (AKA: Treaty of Lausanne) --- signed at Lausanne, 24 July 1923, wherein the Republic of Turkey was the successor government to the Ottoman Government. The Treaty of Lausanne does not independently address Palestine as a separate entity. Within the meaning of the Treaty, Palestine (not identified) was a component of the Syria (a split territory between Great Britain and France):

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria: The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921
(2) With Iraq:​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The only debates you ZioNutters win are those that you claim victory in (among yourselves). You lose every debate on this subject based on the facts.

You are like the Baghdad Bob of debates. You claim to have won all the debates that you've actually gotten your butt kicked.

It is difficult to lose a debate when the facts are all on one's side. The difficult part is accessing the source documentation, once one has access to the source documentation it is a matter of cutting and pasting, letting the text make one's point. Relying on propaganda to make a point is only possible when one is debating with individuals that lack research skills. Clearly, I don't have that problem.

You clearly have a problem because you keep posting the same two or three documents which as I proved you edited the parts which disprove your claims.

The mentally ill hired false propogandist troll for PaliNazis calling others propagandists. Ha ha ha. Now that's a doozy. Do you ever work, you fuckin' bum?

Nothing is edited at all. You proved nothing You just can't take the truth. There are not just 2 or 3 documents, there are 100s of archived official documents that support every claim I make. That's why it's so easy to demonstrate that everything you claim is a lie and propaganda.

Yet you post the same 2 or 3 of them, so where are the links to the other 100s

No, I have posted from dozens of documents. This is a link to hundreds of documents.

UNISPAL DOCUMENTS COLLECTION

 

[Coyote]

Lets get back on topic folks - save the insults for the Flame Zone.

And for those who seem to have forgotten - no discussing other messageboards and drama from those places needs to stay THERE.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- you are parsing words.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

Do you have any documents that say different?

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.

(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Palestine is a Mandate Term for the territory to which the Mandate applied (or formerly applied). The perimeter of the territory was surveyed-out by the Allied Powers, as determined by the that area surrendered by the Ottoman Empire (1918) and relinquished by the Republic of Turkey (1920).

Armistice of Mudros, (30 October 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.

ARTICLE 139 (10 August 1920) Treaty between the Principle Allied Powers and the High Contracting Parties with the Government and His Majesty the Sultan, Ottoman Empire

Turkey renounces formally all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction of any kind over Moslems who are subject to the sovereignty or protectorate of any other State.

No power shall be exercised directly or indirectly by any Turkish authority whatever in any territory detached from Turkey or of which the existing status under the present Treaty is recognized by Turkey.​

In either case, the Arab Palestinian (citizens of the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting as said government) where not the successors of any sovereign authority. The Allied Powers "can" provisionally recognized the existence as independent nations (it did not have to make provisional recognition) --- subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Treaty of Peace with Turkey (AKA: Treaty of Lausanne) --- signed at Lausanne, 24 July 1923, wherein the Republic of Turkey was the successor government to the Ottoman Government. The Treaty of Lausanne does not independently address Palestine as a separate entity. Within the meaning of the Treaty, Palestine (not identified) was a component of the Syria (a split territory between Great Britain and France):

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria: The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921
(2) With Iraq:​

Most Respectfully,
R

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

What does all that have to do with my post?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not a smokescreen at all.

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

Your answer --- "An Arab state." Not Palestine. --- suggests that you concurred that the "citizens of the Government of Palestine" turned down the opportunity for an independent and sovereign Arab State. And it also suggests that you make a distinction between and "Arab State" and a "Palestine State."

As you can see, Palestine was not defined by, governed by, or sovereign to, any indigenous population.

The Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians:

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.

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(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.​

In the time that the Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians were afforded the opportunity to set-up quasi-government agencies, and work towards gradual autonomy, the Arab Palestinians rejected several opportunities to begin the process to stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not a smokescreen at all.

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

Your answer --- "An Arab state." Not Palestine. --- suggests that you concurred that the "citizens of the Government of Palestine" turned down the opportunity for an independent and sovereign Arab State. And it also suggests that you make a distinction between and "Arab State" and a "Palestine State."

As you can see, Palestine was not defined by, governed by, or sovereign to, any indigenous population.

The Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians:

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.​

In the time that the Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians were afforded the opportunity to set-up quasi-government agencies, and work towards gradual autonomy, the Arab Palestinians rejected several opportunities to begin the process to stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government.​

Do you have anything that does not include the colonial scheme?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Not a smokescreen at all.

Holy smokescreen, Batman!

What does all that have to do with my post?

(COMMENT)

Your answer --- "An Arab state." Not Palestine. --- suggests that you concurred that the "citizens of the Government of Palestine" turned down the opportunity for an independent and sovereign Arab State. And it also suggests that you make a distinction between and "Arab State" and a "Palestine State."

As you can see, Palestine was not defined by, governed by, or sovereign to, any indigenous population.

The Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians:

22. Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

“The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”​

In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------​

(d) The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January:

• • 
    “ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”

No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.​

In the time that the Arabs that identify themselves as Palestinians were afforded the opportunity to set-up quasi-government agencies, and work towards gradual autonomy, the Arab Palestinians rejected several opportunities to begin the process to stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

And it also suggests that you make a distinction between and "Arab State" and a "Palestine State."​

Obviously you do not understand the distinction.

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

While Palestine never was, Israel is here to stay and steaming ahead into the future. Israel will never let the Arab Muslim savages of the Middle East commit ethnic cleansing and genocide on the Jews, Christians., and other ethnic minorities as they have done elsewhere. You can take that to Bank Leumi.

The Nazi Mufti of Palestine stated in his own words in the 1930's that once the Muslims have control, the savages intended to first wipe out the Jews and then the Christians in "Palestine".

Are you upset that his plans didn't come to fruition, scum?

 

[Roudy]

To

Designated IS NOT ratified<Roudy> the Palestinians were also designated.......Israel is an Illegal entity...........Who today would vote for an Israeli State on Palestinian Land>>>>>>>would be interesting to see.steve

Eh stick it up your Mohammad. If Israel is "illegal" then so are the dozen or more Arab Muslim shitholes carved out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire after 700 years of Ottoman Rule: Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, UAE, Yemen, etc. etc.

WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME Mohammed I know not.....I was merely stating fact.........Israel was never RATIFIED by the UN Security Council and thereby making it Unlawful.steve

I didn't call you Mohammad, I said stick it up your Mohammad, Abdul. Israel was declared a state by the UN as all the other Arab Muslim shitholes formed out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. Except in the case of Isrsel, five Arab countries attacked it the day it was declared a state.

In an attempt to prevent Israel from evicting non-Jews and stealing even more land.

And you have failed to prove this claim how many times now. The Jews were not stealing land as International law shows, and only evicted illegal immigrants that were attacking the Jews.

His own UN documents show that there was no "stealing of land by Jews". In fact, far from it. Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

While Palestine never was, Israel is here to stay and steaming ahead into the future. Israel will never let the Arab Muslim savages of the Middle East commit ethnic cleansing and genocide on the Jews, Christians., and other ethnic minorities as they have done elsewhere. You can take that to Bank Leumi.

The Nazi Mufti of Palestine stated in his own words that once the Muslims have control, the savages intended to first wipe out the Jews and then the Christians in "Palestine".

Are you upset that his plans didn't come to fruition, scum?

There never was a Palestinian state, and inshallah never will be. Does the world really need another Islamic terrorist shithole filled with intolerant savages and barbarians?

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- you are parsing words.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

Do you have any documents that say different?

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.

(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Palestine is a Mandate Term for the territory to which the Mandate applied (or formerly applied). The perimeter of the territory was surveyed-out by the Allied Powers, as determined by the that area surrendered by the Ottoman Empire (1918) and relinquished by the Republic of Turkey (1920).

Armistice of Mudros, (30 October 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.

ARTICLE 139 (10 August 1920) Treaty between the Principle Allied Powers and the High Contracting Parties with the Government and His Majesty the Sultan, Ottoman Empire

Turkey renounces formally all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction of any kind over Moslems who are subject to the sovereignty or protectorate of any other State.

No power shall be exercised directly or indirectly by any Turkish authority whatever in any territory detached from Turkey or of which the existing status under the present Treaty is recognized by Turkey.​

In either case, the Arab Palestinian (citizens of the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting as said government) where not the successors of any sovereign authority. The Allied Powers "can" provisionally recognized the existence as independent nations (it did not have to make provisional recognition) --- subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Treaty of Peace with Turkey (AKA: Treaty of Lausanne) --- signed at Lausanne, 24 July 1923, wherein the Republic of Turkey was the successor government to the Ottoman Government. The Treaty of Lausanne does not independently address Palestine as a separate entity. Within the meaning of the Treaty, Palestine (not identified) was a component of the Syria (a split territory between Great Britain and France):

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria: The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921
(2) With Iraq:​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, Rocco. The UN legal subcommittee which gave the legal opinion cleared all this up in a very hard to find document.

To

Eh stick it up your Mohammad. If Israel is "illegal" then so are the dozen or more Arab Muslim shitholes carved out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire after 700 years of Ottoman Rule: Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, Oman, UAE, Yemen, etc. etc.

WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME Mohammed I know not.....I was merely stating fact.........Israel was never RATIFIED by the UN Security Council and thereby making it Unlawful.steve

I didn't call you Mohammad, I said stick it up your Mohammad, Abdul. Israel was declared a state by the UN as all the other Arab Muslim shitholes formed out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. Except in the case of Isrsel, five Arab countries attacked it the day it was declared a state.

In an attempt to prevent Israel from evicting non-Jews and stealing even more land.

And you have failed to prove this claim how many times now. The Jews were not stealing land as International law shows, and only evicted illegal immigrants that were attacking the Jews.

His own UN documents show that there was no "stealing of land by Jews". In fact, far from it. Ha ha ha.

The UN documents clearly state that the Christians and Muslims owned 85% of the land. So, if it is now in the hands of Jews it is stolen.

 

[pbel]

Hmm, is Israel launching rockets at them? Is Israel sending suicide bombers into "Palestine" to blow up pizza shops, buses and such? Are Israelis going into mosques and shooting down people? Are Israelis driving cars into bus and trains stops in "Palestine"? Are Israelis going into supermarkets and buses in "Palestine" and stabbing people?

Please tell me exactly what they need to defend themselves from besides themselves.

Israelis take Palestinian land and settle on it, bulldoze or blow up Palestinian homes, destroy Palestinian crops and kill thousands of Palestinian women and children with stand-off weapons. Of course the Palestinians have to defend themselves.

And so do the Israeli's, the problem is Israel is 100 years advanced on he arab muslims in warfare so will aleways come out on top. The stupidity of arab muslms thinking that their god will protect them is laughable, and they still lay down their lives for nothing. What have they achieved with their terrorist "defence" since 1929 apart from more dead and more homeless arab muslims.


By the way the land is Jewish under INTERNATIONAL LAW and you cant alter that.

Only the land that was given during the mandate overwhelmingly enforced by the colonial governments, Nothing over that is RECOGNIZED by International Law to date.

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- you are parsing words.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.

(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Palestine is a Mandate Term for the territory to which the Mandate applied (or formerly applied). The perimeter of the territory was surveyed-out by the Allied Powers, as determined by the that area surrendered by the Ottoman Empire (1918) and relinquished by the Republic of Turkey (1920).

Armistice of Mudros, (30 October 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.

ARTICLE 139 (10 August 1920) Treaty between the Principle Allied Powers and the High Contracting Parties with the Government and His Majesty the Sultan, Ottoman Empire

Turkey renounces formally all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction of any kind over Moslems who are subject to the sovereignty or protectorate of any other State.

No power shall be exercised directly or indirectly by any Turkish authority whatever in any territory detached from Turkey or of which the existing status under the present Treaty is recognized by Turkey.​

In either case, the Arab Palestinian (citizens of the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting as said government) where not the successors of any sovereign authority. The Allied Powers "can" provisionally recognized the existence as independent nations (it did not have to make provisional recognition) --- subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Treaty of Peace with Turkey (AKA: Treaty of Lausanne) --- signed at Lausanne, 24 July 1923, wherein the Republic of Turkey was the successor government to the Ottoman Government. The Treaty of Lausanne does not independently address Palestine as a separate entity. Within the meaning of the Treaty, Palestine (not identified) was a component of the Syria (a split territory between Great Britain and France):

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria: The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921
(2) With Iraq:​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, Rocco. The UN legal subcommittee which gave the legal opinion cleared all this up in a very hard to find document.

To

WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME Mohammed I know not.....I was merely stating fact.........Israel was never RATIFIED by the UN Security Council and thereby making it Unlawful.steve

I didn't call you Mohammad, I said stick it up your Mohammad, Abdul. Israel was declared a state by the UN as all the other Arab Muslim shitholes formed out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. Except in the case of Isrsel, five Arab countries attacked it the day it was declared a state.

In an attempt to prevent Israel from evicting non-Jews and stealing even more land.

And you have failed to prove this claim how many times now. The Jews were not stealing land as International law shows, and only evicted illegal immigrants that were attacking the Jews.

His own UN documents show that there was no "stealing of land by Jews". In fact, far from it. Ha ha ha.

The UN documents clearly state that the Christians and Muslims owned 85% of the land. So, if it is now in the hands of Jews it is stolen.

Here's how stupid your logic is.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh --- you are parsing words.

P F Tinmore, et al,

What dope are you smoking?

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are losing it.

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine was the Mandatory, with fully legislative powers.

The Nationality Law was part of the Order in Council and the citizenship was to the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting in that capacity.

Nowhere does any documentation show that the Arab Palestinians had any governmental Powers of any sort. In fact the records show the opposite, with the Arabs declining every opportunity towards self-rule or government participation.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree. The Mandate was a temporarily assigned trustee. As such it had the authority to act on the Palestinian's behalf.

The Palestinians never declined self rule.

(COMMENT)

The Partition Plan offered self-rule over an Arab State. It was rejected by the Arab Palestinian.

Most Respectfully,
R

"An Arab state." Not Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Palestine is a Mandate Term for the territory to which the Mandate applied (or formerly applied). The perimeter of the territory was surveyed-out by the Allied Powers, as determined by the that area surrendered by the Ottoman Empire (1918) and relinquished by the Republic of Turkey (1920).

Armistice of Mudros, (30 October 1918), pact signed at the port of Mudros, on the Aegean island of Lemnos, between the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain (representing the Allied powers) marking the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I (1914–18).

Under the terms of the armistice, the Ottomans surrendered their remaining garrisons in Hejaz, Yemen, Syria, Mesopotamia, Tripolitania, and Cyrenaica; the Allies were to occupy the Straits of the Dardanelles and the Bosporus, Batum (now in southwest Georgia), and the Taurus tunnel system; and the Allies won the right to occupy “in case of disorder” the six Armenian provinces in Anatolia and to seize “any strategic points” in case of a threat to Allied security. The Ottoman army was demobilized, and Turkish ports, railways, and other strategic points were made available for use by the Allies.

ARTICLE 139 (10 August 1920) Treaty between the Principle Allied Powers and the High Contracting Parties with the Government and His Majesty the Sultan, Ottoman Empire

Turkey renounces formally all rights of suzerainty or jurisdiction of any kind over Moslems who are subject to the sovereignty or protectorate of any other State.

No power shall be exercised directly or indirectly by any Turkish authority whatever in any territory detached from Turkey or of which the existing status under the present Treaty is recognized by Turkey.​

In either case, the Arab Palestinian (citizens of the Government of Palestine with the Mandatory acting as said government) where not the successors of any sovereign authority. The Allied Powers "can" provisionally recognized the existence as independent nations (it did not have to make provisional recognition) --- subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Treaty of Peace with Turkey (AKA: Treaty of Lausanne) --- signed at Lausanne, 24 July 1923, wherein the Republic of Turkey was the successor government to the Ottoman Government. The Treaty of Lausanne does not independently address Palestine as a separate entity. Within the meaning of the Treaty, Palestine (not identified) was a component of the Syria (a split territory between Great Britain and France):

From the Mediterranean to the frontier of Persia, the frontier of Turkey is laid down as follows:

(I ) With Syria: The frontier described in Article 8 of the Franco-Turkish Agreement of the 20th October, 1921
(2) With Iraq:​

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, Rocco. The UN legal subcommittee which gave the legal opinion cleared all this up in a very hard to find document.

To

WHY YOU WOULD CALL ME Mohammed I know not.....I was merely stating fact.........Israel was never RATIFIED by the UN Security Council and thereby making it Unlawful.steve

I didn't call you Mohammad, I said stick it up your Mohammad, Abdul. Israel was declared a state by the UN as all the other Arab Muslim shitholes formed out of the collapsed Ottoman Empire. Except in the case of Isrsel, five Arab countries attacked it the day it was declared a state.

In an attempt to prevent Israel from evicting non-Jews and stealing even more land.

And you have failed to prove this claim how many times now. The Jews were not stealing land as International law shows, and only evicted illegal immigrants that were attacking the Jews.

His own UN documents show that there was no "stealing of land by Jews". In fact, far from it. Ha ha ha.

The UN documents clearly state that the Christians and Muslims owned 85% of the land. So, if it is now in the hands of Jews it is stolen.

Just to show you how stupid your logic is:

You provide a document that shows the land being mostly owned by Arabs and Christians in the early 1900's. Then you bring up the fact that since Jews own most of the land now, it automatically means it's stolen. You're so ridiculous !

Do you even have a valid link to back up your claim ?

 

[pbel]

Palestinians aren't going anywhere. They already represent a majority of the people under Israeli control and their majority is increasing. When Netanyahu confirmed that Israel was not interested in negotiating for the establishment of a Palestinian state, there are only a few options:

1. The creation of a secular democratic state where all people (of all religions) are enfranchised.
2. Continued Apartheid
3.Ethnic cleansing
4 Genocide of the Christians and Muslims of Palestine

I doubt even the U.S. would go along with the latter 2 options.

While Palestine never was, Israel is here to stay and steaming ahead into the future. Israel will never let the Arab Muslim savages of the Middle East commit ethnic cleansing and genocide on the Jews, Christians., and other ethnic minorities as they have done elsewhere. You can take that to Bank Leumi.

The Nazi Mufti of Palestine stated in his own words that once the Muslims have control, the savages intended to first wipe out the Jews and then the Christians in "Palestine".

Are you upset that his plans didn't come to fruition, scum?

There never was a Palestinian state, and inshallah never will be. Does the world really need another Islamic terrorist shithole filled with intolerant savages and barbarians?

Honestly Roudy, you should join a circus!