Do republicans realize how alone they are on the issue of global warming?

[konradv]

It's been 20 years, not 5.

Still a short time and a ridiculously hypocritical point, since those who deny AGW normally say we can't draw any conclusions over 100-200 years of data.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

 

[Old Rocks]

It's been 20 years, not 5.

My, you truly are stupid enough to say something like that. Twenty years ago the running mean was below -0.3. Today it is at +0.3. Up to 1998, the highest it had ever been was +0.1. Since 1998, the running mean has been below +0.1 for only five years. And had never been below -0.1. You can see that right here;



UAH Global Temperature Update for March 2013: +0.18 deg. C (again) « Roy Spencer, PhD

 

[Old Rocks]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

You are totally full of shit. The scientific basis of AGW was established by Tyndall in 1858. From the American Institute of Physics, the single biggest scientific society on earth;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Global warming: Met Office releases revised global temperature predictions showing planet is NOT rapidly heating up | Mail Online

Global warming has STALLED since 1998: Met Office admits Earth's temperature is rising slower than first thought
Earlier forecasts predicted a much steeper rise in global temperatures
But latest figures from Met Office show slower rise than previously warned

Figures raise questions about the true danger posed by greenhouse gasses

Dr David Whitehouse, science adviser to the Global Warming Policy Foundation, said: ‘That the global temperature standstill could continue to at least 2017 would mean a 20-year period of no statistically significant change in global temperatures.
‘Such a period of no increase will pose fundamental problems for climate models. If the latest Met Office prediction is correct, then it will prove to be a lesson in humility.’


Your beloved models are fucked. The is whole "science" is swirling the tubes. Your bitter cling is entertaining though.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

You are totally full of shit. The scientific basis of AGW was established by Tyndall in 1858. From the American Institute of Physics, the single biggest scientific society on earth;

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

That's what I just said in simplified terms, dullard.

 

[konradv]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

Who said it was a "one off natural cycle"? The cycles are ongoing, it's the overall trend that's important. Typical problem for the deniers, they can't see the forest for the trees. I realize you depend heavily on ridicule, because that's all you've really got, neither science nor logic are on your side. Answer the question, what happens to the extra trapped energy whenever more CO2 is pumped into the atmosphere?

 

[Redfish]

Seriously, how can this be a politically motivated ideology when the INTERNATIONAL scientific community overwhelming believes it to be a very real, man made phenomenon.

I really think if a douche like Al Gore hadn't shined the light on it, the US would be on board. It should have been independent scientists that came forward on this issue. Of course then Americans would just ignore it because they are willfully ignorant.

No, they ignore it because they are actually capable of independent logical rational thinking. Its what any intelligent person does, look at all of the data, all of the projections, all of the history of world climate, all of the science, and then reach a logical conclusion.

the logical conclusion is that the climate of our planet has been changing for millions of years and will be changing millions of years from now. man has never had anything to do with it and never will.

 

[Redfish]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

Who said it was a "one off natural cycle"? The cycles are ongoing, it's the overall trend that's important. Typical problem for the deniers, they can't see the forest for the trees. I realize you depend heavily on ridicule, because that's all you've really got, neither science nor logic are on your side. Answer the question, what happens to the extra trapped energy whenever more CO2 is pumped into the atmosphere?

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere and it is not a pollutant. Gore, your hero, claimed that water vapor was the culprit. he is an idiot and you are an idiot for buying into his idiocy.

 

[Wildman]

if there is so damn much "globull" warming, climate change or what ever the fuck you want to call it.., how come those crab fishermen in the "Deadliest Catch" have so much sea ice to contend with, when in the past years those areas they fish in were nearly ice free.

there is/has been "globull" warming ever since the last ice age, i recall about 30 - 40 years ago it was "globull" cooling.., can't you fucking liarberals make up your mind (??) what you want to push backwards on ?

 

[Antares]

LOL, it became Climate Change when they couldn't prove it was warming.

You can "believe" all you want, but you look silly claiming every who doesn't "believe" are stupid.

You act as though just because the scientific community can't fully understand it that somehow undermines the integrity of the idea. It doesn't. Plus, it isn't about "warming". It's about climate irregularity. I shouldn't have said "global warming" in this post. It's an outdated, oversimplication of the phenomenon.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

It's a funny discussion because there really is climate change. The climate/earth have been changing forever. Suddenly it's all man's fault and water vapor and CO2 are causing a warming of the planet that stopped almost 20 years ago.

And we're suppose to believe that it's happening anyway because everything that happens in weather, climate, etc is because of this "phenom".

 

[Redfish]

It's a funny discussion because there really is climate change. The climate/earth have been changing forever. Suddenly it's all man's fault and water vapor and CO2 are causing a warming of the planet that stopped almost 20 years ago.

And we're suppose to believe that it's happening anyway because everything that happens in weather, climate, etc is because of this "phenom".

the idiocy of the left knows no limits. to them man is the enemy of the earth and must be eliminated.

 

[konradv]

SO, we've seen skyrocketing emissions in the last 20 years from around the world, and yet temps have stayed the same, and somehow this is because of some one off natural cycle?

This is why we laugh at you people. The whole basis of AGW is that carbon emissions are raising gloabl temperatures. Thats why we had guys like Gore thinking up cap and trade schemes etc... If carbon emissions are responsible for the increased temperatures, the last 20 years paints another story entirely.

Find a new scare tactic for your utopian dream. Noone with half a brain believes this bullshit.

Who said it was a "one off natural cycle"? The cycles are ongoing, it's the overall trend that's important. Typical problem for the deniers, they can't see the forest for the trees. I realize you depend heavily on ridicule, because that's all you've really got, neither science nor logic are on your side. Answer the question, what happens to the extra trapped energy whenever more CO2 is pumped into the atmosphere?

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere and it is not a pollutant. Gore, your hero, claimed that water vapor was the culprit. he is an idiot and you are an idiot for buying into his idiocy.

The absolute value percentage isn't the important number, it's the % increase since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, 30-40. CO2 is known to absorb and re-emit IR radiation keeping the earth warmer than it would normally be, so an increase of that magnitude is definitely significant. Even on the log scale that CO2 is supposed to act, that's an 11-15% increase in the effect.

 

[konradv]

if there is so damn much "globull" warming, climate change or what ever the fuck you want to call it.., how come those crab fishermen in the "Deadliest Catch" have so much sea ice to contend with, when in the past years those areas they fish in were nearly ice free.

there is/has been "globull" warming ever since the last ice age, i recall about 30 - 40 years ago it was "globull" cooling.., can't you fucking liarberals make up your mind (??) what you want to push backwards on ?

If the some believed that a new Ice Age was coming 30-40 years ago, the logical view would be to wonder why they changed their minds so fast, NOT the knee-jerk response that "scientists don't know what they're doing". That puts you in the same class as the "moon landing was a hoax" idiots.

 

[konradv]

It's a funny discussion because there really is climate change. The climate/earth have been changing forever. Suddenly it's all man's fault and water vapor and CO2 are causing a warming of the planet that stopped almost 20 years ago.

And we're suppose to believe that it's happening anyway because everything that happens in weather, climate, etc is because of this "phenom".

Repeatedly making the same irrelevant arguments, doesn't make them any more logical. Why are natural cycles only important when they're convenient, but ignored when they're not?

 

[Redfish]

Who said it was a "one off natural cycle"? The cycles are ongoing, it's the overall trend that's important. Typical problem for the deniers, they can't see the forest for the trees. I realize you depend heavily on ridicule, because that's all you've really got, neither science nor logic are on your side. Answer the question, what happens to the extra trapped energy whenever more CO2 is pumped into the atmosphere?

CO2 makes up .039% of the atmosphere and it is not a pollutant. Gore, your hero, claimed that water vapor was the culprit. he is an idiot and you are an idiot for buying into his idiocy.

The absolute value percentage isn't the important number, it's the % increase since the advent of the Industrial Revolution, 30-40. CO2 is known to absorb and re-emit IR radiation keeping the earth warmer than it would normally be, so an increase of that magnitude is definitely significant. Even on the log scale that CO2 is supposed to act, that's an 11-15% increase in the effect.

I understand the theory, but it cannot be proven by actual data. You do understand that plants need CO2 in order to survive don't you? If your theory is correct then we should be seeing rampant plant growth over the entire planet. are we?

also your prophet the great algore claimed that the real culprit was water vapor, so why haven't you fools classified water as a pollutant?

 

[Redfish]

It's a funny discussion because there really is climate change. The climate/earth have been changing forever. Suddenly it's all man's fault and water vapor and CO2 are causing a warming of the planet that stopped almost 20 years ago.

And we're suppose to believe that it's happening anyway because everything that happens in weather, climate, etc is because of this "phenom".

Repeatedly making the same irrelevant arguments, doesn't make them any more logical. Why are natural cycles only important when they're convenient, but ignored when they're not?

LOL, you just defeated your own argument. you warmers are funny creatures

 

[Katzndogz]

The majority of the world's scientists reject the global warming hoax. The consensus among scientists is that there is no global warming problem.

As The Consensus Among Scientists Crumbles, Global Warming Alarmists Attack Their Integrity - Forbes

What few scientists remain that still hold to the global warming fiction do so because they are getting paid to do so. An often misrepresented survey claiming 97 percent of scientists agree that humans are causing a global warming crisis (actually, the survey asked merely whether some warming has occurred and whether humans are playing at least a partial role – two questions to which I would answer yes), restricted its participant pool to government scientists and scientists working for institutions dependent on government grants. Scientists who work for – or are funded by – government institutions know that their funding will dry up and their jobs will disappear if and when global warming stops being an asserted crisis.

Do democrats realize how quaint their old fashioned ideas are? Do they enjoy clinging to this dead horse?

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history … . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” — U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.

. Global warming has become a new religion.” — Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly … . As a scientist I remain skeptical.” — Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

* “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds … . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” — Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.

* “The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC “are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” — Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.

* “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” — U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

* “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” — Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.

* “After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” — Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.

* “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” — Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

* “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp … . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” — Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.

* “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” — Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.

* “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense … . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” — Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

* “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another … . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so … . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” — Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

* “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” — Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

 

[konradv]

It's a funny discussion because there really is climate change. The climate/earth have been changing forever. Suddenly it's all man's fault and water vapor and CO2 are causing a warming of the planet that stopped almost 20 years ago.

And we're suppose to believe that it's happening anyway because everything that happens in weather, climate, etc is because of this "phenom".

Repeatedly making the same irrelevant arguments, doesn't make them any more logical. Why are natural cycles only important when they're convenient, but ignored when they're not?

LOL, you just defeated your own argument. you warmers are funny creatures

How have I defeated my own argument? AGW proponents have always known that natural cycles play a role in climate. It's the deniers that only invoke them when it's convenient.