Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Markle]

Every Democratic is saying that.
If you don't know that, then you dont know anything.
You should be simply dismissed.

Just because people point out how retarded the idea of a border wall is does not somehow mean they don’t want any border security.

Yep, having all the illegals pinky promise to return to their own country sounds like a great solution...dumbass.

You’re a moron if you think illegal immigration can be eliminated completely. It’s been declining for over a decade. It’s not some crisis just because it still happens and Trump told you to shit your pants over it.

Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

 

[Markle]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

 

[Markle]

Not looking for it to be eliminated completely dumbass, I'd be fine with cutting it by 80%.

Let’s say we miraculously did that. Then what? How would that better the country? Be specific.

You've got to be kidding, you can't figure that one out?

Lol um okay then state it if it is so obvious.

Map: Illegal immigration costs California most, $23B, all states $89B

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

A good answer to a different question.

We are talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS, NOT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

Care to try again?

 

[Markle]

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

The illegal immigrant may not qualify for welfare but their children all go to school, receive an education, school lunch, breakfast and they do receive welfare.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers
Report by Matt O'Brien and Spencer Raley | September 27, 2017 | View the Full Report (PDF)

Key Highlights

• In 2017, the total cost of illegal immigration for the United States – at the federal, state, and local levels – was approximately $116 billion.
  
• FAIR arrived at this number by subtracting the tax revenue paid by illegal aliens – about $19 billion – from the total economic impact of illegal migration, $134.9 billion.
  
• In 2013, the estimated total cost of illegal migration was approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion.
  
• Evidence shows that the tax payments made by illegal aliens fail to cover the costs of the many services they consume.
  
• A large percentage of illegal aliens who work in the underground economy frequently avoid paying any income tax at all.
• Many illegal aliens actually receive a net cash profit through refundable tax credit programs.

The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

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[Markle]

The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.

It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.

Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.

.

Less than a year after abandoning HQ2 in New York City, Amazon says it's opening a new 1,500-employee office in NYC

That's not 25,000 jobs like before, is it?

.

It never was before either.

Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens


Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.

That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.

Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.

What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.

Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

 

[Brain357]

Super low unemployment and labor shortages, wages still really weak. Seems our markets are broken.

Super low unemployment and labor shortages, wages still really weak.

Lots better wage growth than we saw under Obama though.
I wonder how much better wages would grow with 20 million fewer illegals?

Mildly better, but still really weak. Clearly markets are broken...

we still have illegals? Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Clearly markets are broken...

What's broken about them?

Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Stick it to the businesses, deport 20 million illegals.
You're on the deport them side, right?
Because businesses are yucky!

I’ve already explained how markets are broken, are you slow?

so he didn’t get rid of them as promised?

You made a claim. With no proof.

I gave facts, what is better proof?

 

[Markle]

If I recall correctly, Amazon is expanding in NYC anyway. Turns out they really wanted access to their talented and educated population.

Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.

.

Amazon is hiring 1500 now. I don’t think it should be a race to the bottom of who can bribe corporations the most. I applaud states for sticking up for their citizens and stopping the cycle of what is little better than extortion.

Politician - Hey Citizen we are not going to let companies come in here and create jobs where you can raise yourself our of poverty.
We like you right at the point where you are dependent on us and will be sure and vote to keep us here to keep you poor.
You can thank us later.

What do you mean “not let”?

Amazon or any other company is welcome to come into NYC and create jobs. The catch is they just need to pay the same taxes as every other business.

Special deals for special companies is cronyism.

No one stopped Amazon from building their offices. They are building them. Just on their own dollar. Win/win for NYC.

A fraction of the size originally planned.

 

[pknopp]

The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.

It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.

Less than a year after abandoning HQ2 in New York City, Amazon says it's opening a new 1,500-employee office in NYC

That's not 25,000 jobs like before, is it?

.

It never was before either.

Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens


Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.

That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.

Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.

What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.

Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

I can not provide what never existed. The argument was that Amazon was going to provide 25,000 jobs. It's up to you to prove that. You can't as that never existed.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Super low unemployment and labor shortages, wages still really weak.

Lots better wage growth than we saw under Obama though.
I wonder how much better wages would grow with 20 million fewer illegals?

Mildly better, but still really weak. Clearly markets are broken...

we still have illegals? Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Clearly markets are broken...

What's broken about them?

Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Stick it to the businesses, deport 20 million illegals.
You're on the deport them side, right?
Because businesses are yucky!

I’ve already explained how markets are broken, are you slow?

so he didn’t get rid of them as promised?

You made a claim. With no proof.

I gave facts, what is better proof?

Which fact showed that markets are clearly broken?

 

[Brain357]

Mildly better, but still really weak. Clearly markets are broken...

we still have illegals? Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Clearly markets are broken...

What's broken about them?

Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Stick it to the businesses, deport 20 million illegals.
You're on the deport them side, right?
Because businesses are yucky!

I’ve already explained how markets are broken, are you slow?

so he didn’t get rid of them as promised?

You made a claim. With no proof.

I gave facts, what is better proof?

Which fact showed that markets are clearly broken?

Well every economist will tell you really low unemployment and weak wage growth is not right.

 

[pknopp]

Now they decided to go to northern VA, NY gets little or nothing.

.

Amazon is hiring 1500 now. I don’t think it should be a race to the bottom of who can bribe corporations the most. I applaud states for sticking up for their citizens and stopping the cycle of what is little better than extortion.

Politician - Hey Citizen we are not going to let companies come in here and create jobs where you can raise yourself our of poverty.
We like you right at the point where you are dependent on us and will be sure and vote to keep us here to keep you poor.
You can thank us later.

What do you mean “not let”?

Amazon or any other company is welcome to come into NYC and create jobs. The catch is they just need to pay the same taxes as every other business.

Special deals for special companies is cronyism.

No one stopped Amazon from building their offices. They are building them. Just on their own dollar. Win/win for NYC.

A fraction of the size originally planned.

No it isn't. They got exactly what they wanted. They just had to pay for it themselves.

 

[Markle]

The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.

It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.

That's not 25,000 jobs like before, is it?

.

It never was before either.

Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens


Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.

That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.

Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.

What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.

Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

I can not provide what never existed. The argument was that Amazon was going to provide 25,000 jobs. It's up to you to prove that. You can't as that never existed.

Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to NYC
By Bob Fredericks, Carl Campanile and Ruth Brown
February 14, 2019 | 11:50am

They are Ama-gone!

In a stunning move, Amazon walked away on Thursday from its plan to build a massive campus in Queens that would have brought an estimated 25,000 jobs to the city in exchange for $3 billion in state and local tax breaks.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

 

[Markle]

Well every economist will tell you really low unemployment and weak wage growth is not right.

As you know, the wage growth is at a healthy rate.

 

[AntonToo]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

Aside from the fact that only about a third of Democrats support Bernie, no he does not and in fact condems authoritarianism in all it's forms.

 

[pknopp]

The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.

It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.

It never was before either.

Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens


Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.

That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.

Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.

What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.

Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

I can not provide what never existed. The argument was that Amazon was going to provide 25,000 jobs. It's up to you to prove that. You can't as that never existed.

Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to NYC
By Bob Fredericks, Carl Campanile and Ruth Brown
February 14, 2019 | 11:50am

They are Ama-gone!

In a stunning move, Amazon walked away on Thursday from its plan to build a massive campus in Queens that would have brought an estimated 25,000 jobs to the city in exchange for $3 billion in state and local tax breaks.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

They did "pull out" until they went back in. Nowhere did they say they would provide 25,000 jobs. They can still do that. Those incentives existed before Amazon came to NYC. Nothing stops them from accessing them just like every other company.

What they don't get is the taxpayers funding their office and being able to skip the regulations every other company has to deal with.

 

[Dana7360]

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy


“Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S."

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.”

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the fucking illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the fuck do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

I really hope you understand that drunken posting does not constitute critical thinking.

But in this case, if it tightens the labor market....wages will go up. That isn't magic...that is economics.

You know, the thing you pretend to know.

If all undocumented people left America we all would starve. Farmers would go out of business. Food manufacturers would go out of business. The price for food would skyrocket.

Most of the food we eat is harvested or processed by undocumented workers.

Farmers are already having a hard time finding people to harvest crops. The price of food is already increasing.

Farmers aren't willing to pay a living wage. Americans can't live on the low pay of crop harvesting. Americans demand cheap food.

It's a horrible circle that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

 

[LaDairis]

The Bern condemns "authoritarianism" and will until The Bern is the "authoritarian."

Socialists are all cut from the same cloth. They want to think they know how to run your life better than you do, but in reality they just steal all your money and take all your rights away, and shoot you if you notice/expose too much.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clearly markets are broken...

What's broken about them?

Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

Stick it to the businesses, deport 20 million illegals.
You're on the deport them side, right?
Because businesses are yucky!

I’ve already explained how markets are broken, are you slow?

so he didn’t get rid of them as promised?

You made a claim. With no proof.

I gave facts, what is better proof?

Which fact showed that markets are clearly broken?

Well every economist will tell you really low unemployment and weak wage growth is not right.

What's the current weak number and what does it have to be to show the market is not "clearly broken"?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the fucking illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the fuck do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

I really hope you understand that drunken posting does not constitute critical thinking.

But in this case, if it tightens the labor market....wages will go up. That isn't magic...that is economics.

You know, the thing you pretend to know.

If all undocumented people left America we all would starve. Farmers would go out of business. Food manufacturers would go out of business. The price for food would skyrocket.

Most of the food we eat is harvested or processed by undocumented workers.

Farmers are already having a hard time finding people to harvest crops. The price of food is already increasing.

Farmers aren't willing to pay a living wage. Americans can't live on the low pay of crop harvesting. Americans demand cheap food.

It's a horrible circle that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

If all undocumented people left America we all would starve.

Bullshit. We'd come up with mechanized harvesters just like we did for wheat, corn and soybeans.

 

[Markle]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

Aside from the fact that only about a third of Democrats support Bernie, no he does not and in fact condems authoritarianism in all it's forms.

That's not what your primaries show to date.

As you know, Sanders has supported Cuba's, Russia's, and China's form of government and he claims that breadlines are a good thing.

Sander's is dragging the Democrat Party so far to the left that it may be decades before they recover. That's fine with me.