Do voters understand that GOP economics is a catastrophe in the making?

[Brain357]

The 25,000 number was some number that they said may happen in the future. Still could happen, they just aren't getting taxpayers money to do.

It's really sad. You support taking money from taxpayers to give it to the richest guy in the world but condemn doing to the same so that people can access basic health care.

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.

It never was before either.

Amazon Was Never Going to Create 25,000 Jobs in Queens


Now that Governor Amazon Cuomo is grovelling for Amazon to come back to New York, it’s important to remember that the original sin of the “HQ2” deal is still true: Amazon was never going to bring 25,000 jobs to Long Island City.

That might surprise people, particularly since that number and its related economic activity have been the central arguments used to defend the deal. But to be clear, Amazon never actually promised to bring 25,000 jobs. Period. Go look for it.

Supporters point out that Amazon would get the full package of tax incentives, which are available to any company, only if it created the 25,000 jobs. That's absolutely true, but it proves the point. It shows that Amazon didn't need or really want the job incentives. Instead, it played off our failed economic development policies to get what it actually wanted.

What Amazon did care about, what it wanted more than anything, and what it would have gotten in the deal was a shiny new East River campus quickly, quietly, and cheaply.

Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

I can not provide what never existed. The argument was that Amazon was going to provide 25,000 jobs. It's up to you to prove that. You can't as that never existed.

Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to NYC
By Bob Fredericks, Carl Campanile and Ruth Brown
February 14, 2019 | 11:50am

They are Ama-gone!

In a stunning move, Amazon walked away on Thursday from its plan to build a massive campus in Queens that would have brought an estimated 25,000 jobs to the city in exchange for $3 billion in state and local tax breaks.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

We don’t need government picking winners and losers.

 

[Brain357]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

Aside from the fact that only about a third of Democrats support Bernie, no he does not and in fact condems authoritarianism in all it's forms.

That's not what your primaries show to date.

As you know, Sanders has supported Cuba's, Russia's, and China's form of government and he claims that breadlines are a good thing.

Sander's is dragging the Democrat Party so far to the left that it may be decades before they recover. That's fine with me.

Trump has been a pro choice democrat that supported gun control. Go figure.

 

[AntonToo]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

Aside from the fact that only about a third of Democrats support Bernie, no he does not and in fact condems authoritarianism in all it's forms.

That's not what your primaries show to date.

As you know, Sanders has supported Cuba's, Russia's, and China's form of government and he claims that breadlines are a good thing.

Sander's is dragging the Democrat Party so far to the left that it may be decades before they recover. That's fine with me.

He did not and has stated clearly that he opposes those authoritarian regimes even if he likes some of their initiatives like literacy efforts in Cuba.

His admiration if you want to call it that, has been of DEMOCRATIC Socialist governing out in Scandinavia.

 

[Mac-7]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Trump economics as opposed to standardized republican economics is based on bringing jobs back to America

that beats handouts from the wipe-every-nose democats any day

 

[pknopp]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Trump economics as opposed to standardized republican economics is based on bringing jobs back to America

that beats handouts from the wipe-every-nose democats any day

No they don't. He has done nothing to do that other than say it. As far as actual actions go he has done nothing.

He likes to talk.

 

[Mac-7]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Trump economics as opposed to standardized republican economics is based on bringing jobs back to America

that beats handouts from the wipe-every-nose democats any day

No they don't. He has done nothing to do that other than say it. As far as actual actions go he has done nothing.

He likes to talk.

He’s done more to bring back jobs from china and mexico than any democrat in living memory

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Wrong Dead Wrong


Just the opposite

The gdp scores will now be all nations rulers

Ever what helps the progress gdp scores helps all people of the nation to progress


So like the founders set up to make great progress by stopping the freedoms of the unwise will
Now take root again

The founders only let the most wise to vote
And now that will come back by tests similar to the sat math test for college

All of trumps actions does indeed raise the gdp scores and all of the democrats actions lowers the gdp scores

This will have the nation to stop the unwise democrats from voting

 

[Mac1958]

Wrong Dead Wrong
Just the opposite
The gdp scores will now be all nations rulers
Ever what helps the progress gdp scores helps all people of the nation to progress
So like the founders set up to make great progress by stopping the freedoms of the unwise will
Now take root again
The founders only let the most wise to vote
And now that will come back by tests similar to the sat math test for college
All of trumps actions does indeed raise the gdp scores and all of the democrats actions lowers the gdp scores
This will have the nation to stop the unwise democrats from voting

 

[Markle]

You seem to have forgotten our reliable source and working link supporting your allegation.
Somehow you left out this one-word title above your article.

Opinion

No, it is a fact. There is nothing in that article that is not a fact. They never made any commitment or promise of 25,000 jobs. The incentives were already in place if they had. They didn't need an agreement for that. They wanted the taxpayers money for building their office and they wanted to skip the red tape that everyone else has to go through.

The city called their bluff and Amazon ponied up their own money.

But you continue to defend the corporate socialism.

Then show us your reliable source and working link. What you provided was an OPINION piece.

Your OPINION piece gives no source, whatsoever, for their allegations.

I can not provide what never existed. The argument was that Amazon was going to provide 25,000 jobs. It's up to you to prove that. You can't as that never existed.

Amazon pulls out of $3 billion deal to bring HQ2 to NYC
By Bob Fredericks, Carl Campanile and Ruth Brown
February 14, 2019 | 11:50am

They are Ama-gone!

In a stunning move, Amazon walked away on Thursday from its plan to build a massive campus in Queens that would have brought an estimated 25,000 jobs to the city in exchange for $3 billion in state and local tax breaks.

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/amazon-pulls-out-of-3-billion-deal-to-bring-hq2-to-queens/

We don’t need government picking winners and losers.

Specifically, how is this government picking winners and losers?

 

[Markle]

We really need to get rid of democrats. Purge the country. A new opposition could arise. One that isn't communist.

Communist?

My advice is to put down whatever substance you are abusing right now and head on down to the nearest rehab. Your feet are not touching the ground.

Does your currently leading candidate NOT admire Communism? Wow!

Aside from the fact that only about a third of Democrats support Bernie, no he does not and in fact condems authoritarianism in all it's forms.

That's not what your primaries show to date.

As you know, Sanders has supported Cuba's, Russia's, and China's form of government and he claims that breadlines are a good thing.

Sander's is dragging the Democrat Party so far to the left that it may be decades before they recover. That's fine with me.

Trump has been a pro choice democrat that supported gun control. Go figure.

 

[mudwhistle]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

THE ONLY CATASTROPHE IS TO THE CHANCES OF A DEMOCRAT GETTING INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AFTER ALL OF THIS WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Markle]

No they don't. He has done nothing to do that other than say it. As far as actual actions go he has done nothing.

He likes to talk.

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Its over


The masses of American men have made their judgements

Those are the real power

People like Mac will be stopped from harming and lowering GDP scores of progress for a nation that harms everyone

The GDP scores will be the ruler of all nations and anything that lowers gdp scores will be stopped

Wasting time debating with people with mental issues like Mac has will be stopped

Jerry springer sites that brings this type of debate will be stopped. Because that lowers GDP scores of a nation that then harms everyone in the nation

Now the damn is breaking and the break will bring a stampede of anger against the democrats and deep state that lied for insane personal greed

Polls are showing the dam has broken


Trump Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports®

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You couldn’t elaborate on this if your life depended on it. You’re full of shit.

You need me to elaborate on how supply and demand interact?
Is that because after you failed Econ 101, twice, you never tried another Econ class?

Super low unemployment and labor shortages, wages still really weak. Seems our markets are broken.

Super low unemployment and labor shortages, wages still really weak.

Lots better wage growth than we saw under Obama though.
I wonder how much better wages would grow with 20 million fewer illegals?

Mildly better, but still really weak. Clearly markets are broken...

we still have illegals? Thought trump promised to get rid of them?

You're really not much of a thinker, now are you?

I think Brain357 means Brain(damaged by)357.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

They do. And illegal aliens are even worse.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually.

See, your source agrees.

But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found.

Meh.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare and they contribute 11 billion in tax revenue. This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Uh no illegal immigrants don’t qualify for welfare

They consume $10s of billions in healthcare dollars, education dollars and criminal justice dollars.
The sales tax they pay on their purchases doesn't even come close to the costs they impose on us.

Boot the fucking illegal leeches

This entire article, specifically, is talking about both illegal and legal immigrants.

Yes, the dishonesty the article exhibits by mixing the expensive legal immigrants with the much more expensive illegal aliens was obvious.

Actually the result is that it really doesn’t matter they are here and your crybaby ass wants to pretend otherwise. Right I get it. All the stuff you didn’t like in the article was all bullshit and the stuff you did was your lame as “ah ha!”. Typical. You people reason like children.

Let’s pretend, though, that we got rid all the illegals tomorrow. Then what? What the fuck do you even think would happen? Wages are just going to magically skyrocket because more white people would have jobs? Are you that stupid?

I really hope you understand that drunken posting does not constitute critical thinking.

But in this case, if it tightens the labor market....wages will go up. That isn't magic...that is economics.

You know, the thing you pretend to know.

If all undocumented people left America we all would starve. Farmers would go out of business. Food manufacturers would go out of business. The price for food would skyrocket.

Most of the food we eat is harvested or processed by undocumented workers.

Farmers are already having a hard time finding people to harvest crops. The price of food is already increasing.

Farmers aren't willing to pay a living wage. Americans can't live on the low pay of crop harvesting. Americans demand cheap food.

It's a horrible circle that isn't going to stop anytime soon.

I'll bet that when they get hungry enough....Americans will pay for expensive food.

I'll also bet that if the prices are good and there is a bit of a profit margin...someone will enter the market with a way to grow and harvest all the food we want...at a certain price.

 

[pknopp]

Let’s put aside the merits of leftwing American politics. We’ll just agree to disagree on that for now. Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics. Sure that shit sounds good until - you know - one thinks about it from a logical standpoint. Giving corporations more capital to sell products doesn’t somehow translate into more demand from the consumers. That isn’t how economics work. Our economy is a CONSUMER driven economy. It depends on people spending money. That is how it has ALWAYS worked. Corporations in this day age are wealthier than ever before. That means that when they get big tax breaks, they don’t invest the money they save. Why? Because it’s easier to just keep it. Why invest in labor if they are already wealthier than ever before?

Doesn’t it bother republicans that the GOP does NOTHING for the middle class? A strong middle class is how you keep this economy viable because they are the biggest CONSUMERS. A time will come when this economy will fail because of GOP economics. Rich people can’t stay rich if the wages of the middle class and poor remain way behind on inflation.

How can one possibly justify GOP policy?

Trump economics as opposed to standardized republican economics is based on bringing jobs back to America

that beats handouts from the wipe-every-nose democats any day

No they don't. He has done nothing to do that other than say it. As far as actual actions go he has done nothing.

He likes to talk.

He’s done more to bring back jobs from china and mexico than any democrat in living memory

Well about the same. Nothing.

 

[DBA]

You mean because they are escaping their dangerous homelands out of desperation?

Poverty could classify them as extremely desperate. Are we to accept everyone from any country that is poverty stricken. Good luck with that. There must be a restraint on immigration and for those seeking asylum. Common sense.

There is no honest and logical way to justify conservative economic policy. It's the most irresponsible economic policy.

Democrats are the most ignorant economists in the world by a wide margin. When is the last time you heard an independent say they were socially conservative but fiscally liberal? LOL...pretty much never. The reason for that is fiscal liberal policies are irrational, immoral and nonsensical. Bernie's extreme version will quickly destroy our economy and country.

Here is your argument. Every first world country does what Sanders is supporting. Your argument is that even though every other first world country in the world can do these things, "The greatest country in the world" can not.

I see you put the greatest country in the world in quotes, like an obedient little commie. The US is the greatest country in the world and it is in part because we haven't followed the same guidelines as these other first world countries. I guess that has never crossed your mind. I sincerely wish those on the left that seem to believe the grass is greener on the other side would move to the other side. Heck, neurons may start firing that have been dormant their entire lives and they may even see just how idiotic and ideological their plans really were and they could come back as Conservatives/Republicans. Those who are hopeless could stay in their nirvana...its a win win for the US.

 

[pknopp]

You mean because they are escaping their dangerous homelands out of desperation?

Poverty could classify them as extremely desperate. Are we to accept everyone from any country that is poverty stricken. Good luck with that. There must be a restraint on immigration and for those seeking asylum. Common sense.

There is no honest and logical way to justify conservative economic policy. It's the most irresponsible economic policy.

Democrats are the most ignorant economists in the world by a wide margin. When is the last time you heard an independent say they were socially conservative but fiscally liberal? LOL...pretty much never. The reason for that is fiscal liberal policies are irrational, immoral and nonsensical. Bernie's extreme version will quickly destroy our economy and country.

Here is your argument. Every first world country does what Sanders is supporting. Your argument is that even though every other first world country in the world can do these things, "The greatest country in the world" can not.

I see you put the greatest country in the world in quotes, like an obedient little commie. The US is the greatest country in the world and it is in part because we haven't followed the same guidelines as these other first world countries. I guess that has never crossed your mind. I sincerely wish those on the left that seem to believe the grass is greener on the other side would move to the other side. Heck, neurons may start firing that have been dormant their entire lives and they may even see just how idiotic and ideological their plans really were and they could come back as Conservatives/Republicans. Those who are hopeless could stay in their nirvana...its a win win for the US.

LOL, you see the idea that not everyone can see a doctor or afford medical care when they need it as a positive thing. I initially chuckled but really, that's sad that you would think that way.

 

[sparky]

Let’s just discuss the viability of GOP economics which is the fantasy of trickledown/supply side economics.

It's been said/done/proven failure since>>>

~S~

 

[DBA]

Well every economist will tell you really low unemployment and weak wage growth is not right.

Smart economists understand just how good the fundamentals of the market are right now. Unfortunately, many economists are beholden to the Democratic machine. Many of them are in academia and realize they must toe the Party line.

Trump has been a pro choice democrat that supported gun control. Go figure.

Most people become wiser as they age. Some started at such a low point(Bernie and his crowd), they never reach a point of sanity.