Do we let people die who do not have health insurance

[Penelope]

Why doesn't the self righteous left sell their houses and all their possessions and give the money to the government to fund healthcare for the poor...I mean they care right how can they allow poor people to die? Take one for the team libs, buy a bus pass, rent an apt you don't really need a car or house do you? I mean poor people are dying where's your priorities. /mockery /sarcasm

So it is up to the self-righteous left to find a way to cover the uncovered healthcare costs while the selfish right says"let them die".

Go ahead lead by example maybe others will follow...no? We thought not. Liberals are always generous with other peoples money, not their own.

If you alone make over 200 grand then yes you might pay a bit more in taxes, and also Democrats pay taxes.

Still waiting for you leftwits to lead by example, we know it will never happen.

I doubt if you make 50 grand a year if not less. That is the median income. You right wing nuts are so clueless about life, and if you are a Jesus freak, then the sooner you die the better off you will be is your mentality. I find the Pubs to be very self centered arrogant who think they have money and pretend to. I do have insurance and I have money to pay for it.

Do you ever think about society, there are 75 million on Medicaid, the rich caused that, who do you think made them rich?

 

[Penelope]

Obviously Doc 1 doesn't know anything about the ACA and the bronze package, you will get worst than that on TrumpCare.

 

[Doc1]

Obviously Doc 1 doesn't know anything about the ACA and the bronze package, you will get worst than that on TrumpCare.

LMAO, Doc knows it like the back of his hand

 

[g5000]

Its the American way and especially the Repub way.

Remember, one of the Paul's, Rand or Ron, GOP debate, said something about letting people die and the Repub crowd went wild with applause.

That's a lie. A fabrication. Manufactured bullshit.

 

[Darkwind]

Those supporting the new healthcare bill have to ask; do we let them die?
I do not support the bill.

Can someone who does support the bill answer the question about letting those die who do not have insurance.

Why? Its a false premise. When did you stop beating your wife?

It is not false premise.
"What do you do with a person who shows up at the emergency room with no insurance."
The answer can be treat them or let them die.
You can say treat them. But if you treat them the tax payers pick up the bill.

You can choose to not beat your wife. There are no negatives.
You can pick treat the uninsured but the consequence we all pick up the tab.

The false premise is no one.....I mean NO ONE is advocating for letting anyone die. This is a form of leading question in order to steer the conversation in the way YOU want it to go.

Not providing government funds for health insurance is NOT a desire to have people die at the doorways of the nation's emergency rooms. However, people who are treated who have no insurance should be REQUIRED to pay the bill, regardless of their ability to afford it. It is, after all, THEIR life and they are required to show some form of responsibility for it.

 

[g5000]

BLITZER: Thank you, Governor. Before I get to Michele Bachmann, I want to just — you’re a physician, Ron Paul, so you’re a doctor. You know something about this subject. Let me ask you this hypothetical question.

A healthy 30-year-old young man has a good job, makes a good living, but decides, you know what? I’m not going to spend $200 or $300 a month for health insurance because I’m healthy, I don’t need it. But something terrible happens, all of a sudden he needs it.

Who’s going to pay if he goes into a coma, for example? Who pays for that?

PAUL: Well, in a society that you accept welfarism and socialism, he expects the government to take care of him.

BLITZER: Well, what do you want?

PAUL: But what he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would have a major medical policy, but not be forced —

BLITZER: But he doesn’t have that. He doesn’t have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?

PAUL: That’s what freedom is all about, taking your own risks. This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody —

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?

PAUL: No. I practiced medicine before we had Medicaid, in the early 1960s, when I got out of medical school. I practiced at Santa Rosa Hospital in San Antonio, and the churches took care of them. We never turned anybody away from the hospitals.

(APPLAUSE)

PAUL: And we’ve given up on this whole concept that we might take care of ourselves and assume responsibility for ourselves. Our neighbors, our friends, our churches would do it. This whole idea, that’s the reason the cost is so high.


Transcript: GOP Candidates Squabble Over Health Care During Tampa Debate

 

[Doc1]

When someone chooses not to buy health insurance and they do not have money to pay for doctor and/or hospital what do we do. Should we refuse service? Should we let them die? It is their choice to not have Insurance.
Do we provide service and let the government pay for what they cannot pay. The government is us. Why should we pay for someone who chose not to spend their money on insurance?

The responsible end up paying for the irresponsible.

Sure they do, If you are over the age of 70 you get sick and use up the Part A and B of the medical care of SS. You should be dead within about 3 years of a cold and some minor infection. I have seen Doctor use the old "You are not strong enough to survive the operation" statement several time during the years. I thought if a person is going to die anyhow how about doing the operation, it a chance and the worst case would be they die. There has been some cases people have gone overseas and had the operation done there and had no problems.

There is no cap on Medicare A and B. Also the ACA has nothing to do with this, this is between Dr and patient.

Prove there is no cap on Medicare.

Prove there is as it is today. I am not talking about the block grants, I am talking individual.

That's not how his game is played child, you make a statement you must be able to prove it.

 

[task0778]

Did we ever let anyone die if they didn't have insurance? I can't recall the streets littered with bodies.

No, prior to Obama care we always took care of all emergency situations if the person did not have insurance or money to pay.
But others paid the expenses through taxes and higher insurance rate. It cost us all bilions and billions of dollars.

Don't we still do that? How many people have died since Obamacare came into being that were denied treatment at an ER? And for that matter how many died before Obamacare who were denied treatment?

Why not list them , you might be able to find a list on Fox.

The ER is not health care. What must we get it through some of your brains.

Last I checked, when you need emergency care you go to an ER where you are treated. I call that health care.

And you know what they will say, they will give you a script and tell you to follow up with your primary dr. Man you guys are just stupid, I'm sorry but I have to say , what are you like 20 or younger.

Oh I see your retired, well then I guess you are all set living on VA bennies, and Medicare. Why worry about anyone else. I find most Texans are self serving lowlifes.

I earned what I got, when I post an opinion it ain't for me it's for the young people and the generations that follow. Speaking of self-serving lowlifes, maybe you should look in a mirror. And apparently incapable of intelligent and respectful conversation. Yet another idiot to ignore.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its the American way and especially the Repub way.

Remember, one of the Paul's, Rand or Ron, GOP debate, said something about letting people die and the Repub crowd went wild with applause.

They also booed the skype interview of a soldier in Iraq, because he was gay.

The right is vicious. And yeah, they're in favor of letting people die. Wait till they find out they're losing their insurance too. My bet is they'll blame Obama! - cuz, that's what they do.

Obamacare way said give em two valium and don't call in the morning......cuz hopefully you'll be dead.

 

[Penelope]

Its the American way and especially the Repub way.

Remember, one of the Paul's, Rand or Ron, GOP debate, said something about letting people die and the Repub crowd went wild with applause.

They also booed the skype interview of a soldier in Iraq, because he was gay.

The right is vicious. And yeah, they're in favor of letting people die. Wait till they find out they're losing their insurance too. My bet is they'll blame Obama! - cuz, that's what they do.

Obamacare way said give em two valium and don't call in the morning......cuz hopefully you'll be dead.

Lie.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Its the American way and especially the Repub way.

Remember, one of the Paul's, Rand or Ron, GOP debate, said something about letting people die and the Repub crowd went wild with applause.

They also booed the skype interview of a soldier in Iraq, because he was gay.

The right is vicious. And yeah, they're in favor of letting people die. Wait till they find out they're losing their insurance too. My bet is they'll blame Obama! - cuz, that's what they do.

Obamacare way said give em two valium and don't call in the morning......cuz hopefully you'll be dead.

Lie.

Nope, true.

 

[Penelope]

No, prior to Obama care we always took care of all emergency situations if the person did not have insurance or money to pay.
But others paid the expenses through taxes and higher insurance rate. It cost us all bilions and billions of dollars.

Don't we still do that? How many people have died since Obamacare came into being that were denied treatment at an ER? And for that matter how many died before Obamacare who were denied treatment?

Why not list them , you might be able to find a list on Fox.

The ER is not health care. What must we get it through some of your brains.

Last I checked, when you need emergency care you go to an ER where you are treated. I call that health care.

And you know what they will say, they will give you a script and tell you to follow up with your primary dr. Man you guys are just stupid, I'm sorry but I have to say , what are you like 20 or younger.

Oh I see your retired, well then I guess you are all set living on VA bennies, and Medicare. Why worry about anyone else. I find most Texans are self serving lowlifes.

I earned what I got, when I post an opinion it ain't for me it's for the young people and the generations that follow. Speaking of self-serving lowlifes, maybe you should look in a mirror. And apparently incapable of intelligent and respectful conversation. Yet another idiot to ignore.

Me too I earned what I have, the difference is you are a greedy person, and I am not.

 

[Penelope]

When someone chooses not to buy health insurance and they do not have money to pay for doctor and/or hospital what do we do. Should we refuse service? Should we let them die? It is their choice to not have Insurance.
Do we provide service and let the government pay for what they cannot pay. The government is us. Why should we pay for someone who chose not to spend their money on insurance?

The responsible end up paying for the irresponsible.

Sure they do, If you are over the age of 70 you get sick and use up the Part A and B of the medical care of SS. You should be dead within about 3 years of a cold and some minor infection. I have seen Doctor use the old "You are not strong enough to survive the operation" statement several time during the years. I thought if a person is going to die anyhow how about doing the operation, it a chance and the worst case would be they die. There has been some cases people have gone overseas and had the operation done there and had no problems.

There is no cap on Medicare A and B. Also the ACA has nothing to do with this, this is between Dr and patient.

Prove there is no cap on Medicare.

Prove there is as it is today. I am not talking about the block grants, I am talking individual.

That's not how his game is played child, you make a statement you must be able to prove it.

There is no cap on Medicaid for a person, its not like the lifetime caps before the ACA, never has been a cap on Medicaid.

Do you have assets, I do, and if I chose to take a bronze plan and I know and am willing to pay at the most 6 grand a year for a major illness or condition for a lower premium. I know my assets will be safe.

 

[g5000]

Those supporting the new healthcare bill have to ask; do we let them die?
I do not support the bill.

Can someone who does support the bill answer the question about letting those die who do not have insurance.

False dichotomy. Try again.

 

[Penelope]

Those supporting the new healthcare bill have to ask; do we let them die?
I do not support the bill.

Can someone who does support the bill answer the question about letting those die who do not have insurance.

I see few have the guts to answer your question.

 

[g5000]

Employers are not mandated to provide insurance under the new plan.

Yes they are. Neither the House or Senate bill repeal the employer mandate. The reporting requirements are still intact.

 

[debbiedowner]

Those supporting the new healthcare bill have to ask; do we let them die?
I do not support the bill.

Can someone who does support the bill answer the question about letting those die who do not have insurance.

Do you not understand that Obama care is RATIONED care?

You're full of it.

 

[Penelope]

Employers are not mandated to provide insurance under the new plan.

Yes they are. Neither the House or Senate bill repeal the employer mandate.

There are no employer mandates in the new gop plan.

 

[g5000]

Those supporting the new healthcare bill have to ask; do we let them die?
I do not support the bill.

Can someone who does support the bill answer the question about letting those die who do not have insurance.

I see few have the guts to answer your question.

It's a logically fallacious question.

 

[Doc1]

Sure they do, If you are over the age of 70 you get sick and use up the Part A and B of the medical care of SS. You should be dead within about 3 years of a cold and some minor infection. I have seen Doctor use the old "You are not strong enough to survive the operation" statement several time during the years. I thought if a person is going to die anyhow how about doing the operation, it a chance and the worst case would be they die. There has been some cases people have gone overseas and had the operation done there and had no problems.

There is no cap on Medicare A and B. Also the ACA has nothing to do with this, this is between Dr and patient.

Prove there is no cap on Medicare.

Prove there is as it is today. I am not talking about the block grants, I am talking individual.

That's not how his game is played child, you make a statement you must be able to prove it.

There is no cap on Medicaid for a person, its not like the lifetime caps before the ACA, never has been a cap on Medicaid.

Do you have assets, I do, and if I chose to take a bronze plan and I know and am willing to pay at the most 6 grand a year for a major illness or condition for a lower premium. I know my assets will be safe.

Normally I give folks the benefit of the doubt. Not you, you are liar. You made the statement about Medicare, not Medicaid. A person who cannot afford to pay premiums cannot afford to pay now a $7150 deductible.