Do You Believe Based on Evidence, Russia Changed Outcome of 2016 Election

[jc456]

My answer is no

-Geaux

I believe the 2016 election to be the most corrupt in my lifetime. I believe the republicans were more successful than their democrat counterparts in successfully rigging an American election for their 'guy'.

You're kidding right? The Republicans hated DJT. He steamrolled all comers. 12 of them.... You think they helped him?

No way

-Geaux

Having so many others in the race at the start helped Trump greatly, as voters were all spread out among the 15 others and there was no clear favorite


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Them fkn ruskies

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure it is, let in refugees let in illegals

But Republicans support admitting refugees and support amnesty programs, too. So you sound like an idiot.

 

[jc456]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

 

[Coyote]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

 

[jc456]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

What are you trying to prove?

 

[Syriusly]

My answer is no

-Geaux

Wow. The question that no one is asking- who saw that coming?

Do you believe based upon the evidence that Russia did attempt to affect the 2016 election?

 

[jc456]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

What are you trying to prove?

If everyone knows Russia interfered, what are you looking for?

 

[Syriusly]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

Exactly.

 

[jc456]

Sure it is, let in refugees let in illegals

But Republicans support admitting refugees and support amnesty programs, too. So you sound like an idiot.

I never said they didn’t. It’s why there’s trump

 

[deanrd]

It wasn't just Russia. It was also the media.

Some estimate gave Trump 4.6 billion in free media. More than all the other candidate from both parties put together.

 

[Syriusly]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

What are you trying to prove?

If everyone knows Russia interfered, what are you looking for?

Up until fairly recently Don the Con denied Russia even tried to interfere in the election. Still plenty of Trumpkins who like pretend that there is no evidence that Russia did anything.

What I am looking for is the investigation to be completed, and the results of the investigation to be released.

If you are convinced that Don the Con is innocent- then so should you.

 

[Coyote]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

What are you trying to prove?

If everyone knows Russia interfered, what are you looking for?

"Everybody knows" doesn't mean jackshit.

What are you afraid of? Why are you afraid of letting it be completed? You were fine with Benghazi, the Emails, but not this.

Let it conclude and we will know it was thorough, professional, and no rock unturned. That is what I care about. Then we can focus on PREVENTION.

 

[Syriusly]

What kind of evidence would prove it, to you?

What is it that you want to see?

They don't want to see or accept anything....they've already gone all in on trump.

If the Trump campaign did not conspire with the Russians, then regardless of the Russian influence, Trump won fair and square....it would not be Trump's fault for the Russian's criminal doings.....

BUT if the Trump campaign was condoning it and helping them/conspiring with the Russians,

then Trump and his team, CHEATED and we don't let known cheaters keep the crown, the second runner up, gets it!

The presidency is different than a Beauty contest, has different rules, but the bottom line is still the same, we don't let cheaters, keep their win.... even if they would have won, without the cheating they did.

Now, substitute Obama for Trump in this reply and tell Me where you stand with that. Because we KNOW that Obama was aware of the Russians, whereas Trump being aware of the Russians is nothing more than a progressive nutjob talking point.

obama was not running for president, so I have no idea of what your point is....?

The alleged interference happened under his watch. Plus, he was actively protecting Clinton. He bears so much more responsibility for the Russians than any single person other than Clinton herself.

How was he actively protecting Clinton?

This I have to hear.

 

[Coyote]

It is impossible to know.

Therefore why rehash it again and again? The election results are what they are. Instead, we need to focus on finding out exactly what happened, who was involved, and what measures we can put in place to prevent repeat performances.

Call off the investigation, what is it trying to prove?

What are you afraid of?

Let it be completed..you know, like Benghazi, like the Emails, like Whitewater.

What are you trying to prove?

I'm not proving anything - that is up to the investigators.

 

[8236]

It's very simple, and it concerns me. Is it possible that they in fact hacked servers and changed votes? That is the only way they impacted the election and in the back of my mind I have always suspected it could be possible, just because of the reaction. All the more reason to demand ID to vote.

Otherwise, no way in hell they make up the difference. That is all on Hillary and Americans desire for change. Obama is as much a reason Trump is president as any, he was dragging America to socialism.

Changing votes isn't the only way to influence an election and it also isn't the only criminal way to do it. Apparently they stole voter data and hacked into election and campaign systems. Those breaches are illegal. Social engineering is powerful stuff too and is one of the big pillars of cyber crime. Just because someone convinces you with false information and identity to you yourself do something of your own will doesn't make it legal, right, or fair play in our elections. This might not seem very different from our normal extreme partisan politics around election time but when it's part of a broad orchestrated campaign like our foreign adversary Russia's, then it is an attack on our sovereign republic.

But what about when we, the United States do it to other countries? Is that illegal as well?

-Geaux

Not if it is a "matter of national security"

 

[candycorn]

Two different issues.

HRC was a terrible campaigner who ran a terrible campaign. She deserved to lose.

The Russians meddled in our elections and Trump worked with them.

Both are true.

Now prove it fk!

For the umpteenth time; see Roger Stone tweets about Guccifer 2.0; all of the meetings they lied about etc…

 

[WEATHER53]

Of course not
They may have tried to on their own accord.
NO ONE has Ever answered how voters votes were altered or miscalculated.
This is going to end up looking really dumb that we gave so much legitimacy to Trump-Russians.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

NO ONE has Ever answered how voters votes were altered or miscalculated.

Huh? Nobody accusing tje Russians of cooking the books. Vote totals were, no doubt, affected by their intense propaganda campaign, though.

 

[Coyote]

Of course not
They may have tried to on their own accord.
NO ONE has Ever answered how voters votes were altered or miscalculated.
This is going to end up looking really dumb that we gave so much legitimacy to Trump-Russians.

No one has claimed they were.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Did they change the outcome???.....NO

Did they meddle where they don't belong???...….probably and that should be a lesson to be learned by our government. FIX IT so nobody can interfere again, instead of continuing to whine about it & point fingers over it.


If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem......simple as that

what happens when the 'president' doesn't even believe it happened & is doing nothing to make sure it can't happen again? a lot of people just wanna swallow hard.

So the FBI, DOJ, or Office of Voting Security or whatever agency is in charge of that, or the States themselves can't do anything on their own to review & improve the security of future elections????

I think asking the likely culprits to cut it out while in a face to face meeting is well within reason.

Possibly, if we were on better terms with Russia to begin with.;...……..but considering the tumultuous relationship between US & Russia....confronting & accusing them isn't the best foot forward. So I can see why that subject was left off the table, when trying to formulate a positive alliance with a former enemy.

If, as you acknowledged earlier is likely, Russia did meddle in our elections then they aren't a former enemy, and they aren't looking for a positive alliance. Yet Trump has no qualms about shitting on his own party and intelligence community on a daily basis. Where is the consistency in that?

If they are not our enemy, then why all the hullaballoo and another round of cries for impeachment for treason? Or the number of other posters claiming Trump is sorting with the enemy? IMO, we are still enemies with Russia & have been for many years.

And who knows, outside of Putin & Trump, that they didn't discuss such things. Trump's been known to say one thing & do another.