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I’ll add that I think there should be HARSH punishments for people who can be proven to have lied or falsely accused people of crimes.and to come back with a question, how come the left does this to so many of the past conservative nominees? does that not bring it into question at this point?I don’t mean to answer with a question but if you’ll allow me to ask, with the thousands of sexual abuse cases that happen in this country that only involve two people... how are most of those substantiated?then, if "nothing can be substantiated" how can it be looking bad for him? we're to the point where simple allegations and someone to go YEA is all we need to destroy a life.Thanks for the question... In Ford’s case I look at a few factors and try and make sense as to if they align with a person who is simply making up a story to block a nomination. The 6 year old therapy notes, implicating two people instead of one, the polygraph, and calls for an FBI investigation don’t make much sense if she is lying and fabricating a story. The two other witnesses that she named as participants at the party and the reports that none can corroborate that the party took place was a blow to her story so this one will be up to how each one comes of in their testimonies to congress.do you give any credibility to these allegations against kavanaugh? if so, what are you basing it off of?Why are you diverting the discussion?
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
The second allegation has some areas of concern as several classmates are reported to have described the same details of the accusers story through independent interviews and Kavanaugh is being reported as a sloppy and angry drunk. So far there are no first hand eye witness reports so nothing can be substantiated as of yet.
Bottom line is this is not looking good for Kavanaugh and if more accusers come out, which the rumor mill is reporting there are more, it could be over for him.
It would be an extremely dangerous shame if these claims are completely fabricated and being used to block him. It would be a scandal of tremendous magnitude and would dramatically hurt the metoo movement. The more independent reports that come out the less likely the conspiracy theory becomes, but if one can be proven as a lie that could bring them all down.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Most don’t have photo, video, or witnesses so it is up to vetting each persons story and reputation then making an educated assessment of who’s story is more believable.
It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SCIt's actually a grand display of how dirty the Democrats operate.
They are more or less something like blackmailers, smear merchants, character assassinaters.
for SCOTUS they seem to be but no, they are not alone in this tactic. i'm with you in that *anyone* giving false stories for political gain needs to be prosecuted. i think for too long it's been a no penalty accusation so why not use it?I’ll add that I think there should be HARSH punishments for people who can be proven to have lied or falsely accused people of crimes.and to come back with a question, how come the left does this to so many of the past conservative nominees? does that not bring it into question at this point?I don’t mean to answer with a question but if you’ll allow me to ask, with the thousands of sexual abuse cases that happen in this country that only involve two people... how are most of those substantiated?then, if "nothing can be substantiated" how can it be looking bad for him? we're to the point where simple allegations and someone to go YEA is all we need to destroy a life.Thanks for the question... In Ford’s case I look at a few factors and try and make sense as to if they align with a person who is simply making up a story to block a nomination. The 6 year old therapy notes, implicating two people instead of one, the polygraph, and calls for an FBI investigation don’t make much sense if she is lying and fabricating a story. The two other witnesses that she named as participants at the party and the reports that none can corroborate that the party took place was a blow to her story so this one will be up to how each one comes of in their testimonies to congress.do you give any credibility to these allegations against kavanaugh? if so, what are you basing it off of?
The second allegation has some areas of concern as several classmates are reported to have described the same details of the accusers story through independent interviews and Kavanaugh is being reported as a sloppy and angry drunk. So far there are no first hand eye witness reports so nothing can be substantiated as of yet.
Bottom line is this is not looking good for Kavanaugh and if more accusers come out, which the rumor mill is reporting there are more, it could be over for him.
It would be an extremely dangerous shame if these claims are completely fabricated and being used to block him. It would be a scandal of tremendous magnitude and would dramatically hurt the metoo movement. The more independent reports that come out the less likely the conspiracy theory becomes, but if one can be proven as a lie that could bring them all down.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Most don’t have photo, video, or witnesses so it is up to vetting each persons story and reputation then making an educated assessment of who’s story is more believable.
You mention that the Left always does this. Are you implying that they are always lying/making up stories to falsely accuse their opponents?
edward - wouldn't it be "accused"? again, you can't seem to fathom anyone you don't like being innocent.It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SCIt's actually a grand display of how dirty the Democrats operate.
They are more or less something like blackmailers, smear merchants, character assassinaters.
Yes but I have a tendency to believe women and it seems to me it mattered not that 18 women accused trump I take it from instances like that ,that republicans are oblivious to the problems women have encountered over the past 100 and more yearsedward - wouldn't it be "accused"? again, you can't seem to fathom anyone you don't like being innocent.It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SCIt's actually a grand display of how dirty the Democrats operate.
They are more or less something like blackmailers, smear merchants, character assassinaters.
I think you would be better served going straight to the source instead of posting links of interpretations from blantantly bias news outlets. Your link was referring to the New Yorker. Here is the passage from the New Yorker article that made them draw those conclusions. Let me know if you think their assessment is honest.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?This is about as flimsy as the first allegation, but it’s partly what the Dems have been stalling for, no doubt.Apparently nuggets are unfolding. Damn this reality show has a lot of drama in it.
Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim - POLITICO Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim — POLITICO
Yet again another case where named witnesses deny any knowledge of the ‘incident’ claimed by a very inebriated woman playing a drinking game who apparently can’t tell a real penis from a plastic one.
Oh such fun.
Actually NONE of the SIX named "witnesses" supported the second accuser:
New Yorker Publishes Accusation Containing ZERO Evidence to Support, and 100% of Evidence To Refute…
Pathetic!
———
The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party. A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”
Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from the Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
From YOUR link:
“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events: “We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.”
“We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.”
Snicker...………
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Is anybody saying that?I think you would be better served going straight to the source instead of posting links of interpretations from blantantly bias news outlets. Your link was referring to the New Yorker. Here is the passage from the New Yorker article that made them draw those conclusions. Let me know if you think their assessment is honest.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?This is about as flimsy as the first allegation, but it’s partly what the Dems have been stalling for, no doubt.
Yet again another case where named witnesses deny any knowledge of the ‘incident’ claimed by a very inebriated woman playing a drinking game who apparently can’t tell a real penis from a plastic one.
Oh such fun.
Actually NONE of the SIX named "witnesses" supported the second accuser:
New Yorker Publishes Accusation Containing ZERO Evidence to Support, and 100% of Evidence To Refute…
Pathetic!
———
The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party. A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”
Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from the Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
From YOUR link:
“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events: “We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.”
“We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.”
Snicker...………
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
then, if "nothing can be substantiated" how can it be looking bad for him? we're to the point where simple allegations and someone to go YEA is all we need to destroy a life.Thanks for the question... In Ford’s case I look at a few factors and try and make sense as to if they align with a person who is simply making up a story to block a nomination. The 6 year old therapy notes, implicating two people instead of one, the polygraph, and calls for an FBI investigation don’t make much sense if she is lying and fabricating a story. The two other witnesses that she named as participants at the party and the reports that none can corroborate that the party took place was a blow to her story so this one will be up to how each one comes of in their testimonies to congress.do you give any credibility to these allegations against kavanaugh? if so, what are you basing it off of?Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
The second allegation has some areas of concern as several classmates are reported to have described the same details of the accusers story through independent interviews and Kavanaugh is being reported as a sloppy and angry drunk. So far there are no first hand eye witness reports so nothing can be substantiated as of yet.
Bottom line is this is not looking good for Kavanaugh and if more accusers come out, which the rumor mill is reporting there are more, it could be over for him.
It would be an extremely dangerous shame if these claims are completely fabricated and being used to block him. It would be a scandal of tremendous magnitude and would dramatically hurt the metoo movement. The more independent reports that come out the less likely the conspiracy theory becomes, but if one can be proven as a lie that could bring them all down.
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SCIt's actually a grand display of how dirty the Democrats operate.
They are more or less something like blackmailers, smear merchants, character assassinaters.
Is anybody saying that?I think you would be better served going straight to the source instead of posting links of interpretations from blantantly bias news outlets. Your link was referring to the New Yorker. Here is the passage from the New Yorker article that made them draw those conclusions. Let me know if you think their assessment is honest.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?
Actually NONE of the SIX named "witnesses" supported the second accuser:
New Yorker Publishes Accusation Containing ZERO Evidence to Support, and 100% of Evidence To Refute…
Pathetic!
———
The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party. A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”
Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from the Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
From YOUR link:
“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events: “We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.”
“We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.”
Snicker...………
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
I think I just said that this movement is rooted in blocking Kavanaughs nomination. I don’t think that is disputed. The dems are politicizing it best they can. That doesn’t mean all the claims are fake though.Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
It's also dishonest to pretend the timing and nature of this whole thing stinks to high heaven of rank political opportunism.
Yeah I know it was sarcasm. Did I misunderstand your point of trying to imply that people are acting like her accusation shouldn’t be questioned?Is anybody saying that?I think you would be better served going straight to the source instead of posting links of interpretations from blantantly bias news outlets. Your link was referring to the New Yorker. Here is the passage from the New Yorker article that made them draw those conclusions. Let me know if you think their assessment is honest.Actually NONE of the SIX named "witnesses" supported the second accuser:
New Yorker Publishes Accusation Containing ZERO Evidence to Support, and 100% of Evidence To Refute…
Pathetic!
———
The New Yorker has not confirmed with other eyewitnesses that Kavanaugh was present at the party. The magazine contacted several dozen classmates of Ramirez and Kavanaugh regarding the incident. Many did not respond to interview requests; others declined to comment, or said they did not attend or remember the party. A classmate of Ramirez’s, who declined to be identified because of the partisan battle over Kavanaugh’s nomination, said that another student told him about the incident either on the night of the party or in the next day or two. The classmate said that he is “one-hundred-per-cent sure” that he was told at the time that Kavanaugh was the student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He independently recalled many of the same details offered by Ramirez, including that a male student had encouraged Kavanaugh as he exposed himself. The classmate, like Ramirez, recalled that the party took place in a common room on the first floor in Entryway B of Lawrance Hall, during their freshman year. “I’ve known this all along,” he said. “It’s been on my mind all these years when his name came up. It was a big deal.” The story stayed with him, he said, because it was disturbing and seemed outside the bounds of typically acceptable behavior, even during heavy drinking at parties on campus. The classmate said that he had been shocked, but not necessarily surprised, because the social group to which Kavanaugh belonged often drank to excess. He recalled Kavanaugh as “relatively shy” until he drank, at which point he said that Kavanaugh could become “aggressive and even belligerent.”
Senate Democrats Investigate a New Allegation of Sexual Misconduct, from the Supreme Court Nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s College Years
From YOUR link:
“In a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirez’s account of events: “We were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.”
“We can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about it—and we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brett’s Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.”
Snicker...………
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
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According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
Okay, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
You don't believe Hill? or Ford or others? but Kavanaugh is an angel?It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SCIt's actually a grand display of how dirty the Democrats operate.
They are more or less something like blackmailers, smear merchants, character assassinaters.
This is the rank partisanship I'm talking about. Thomas hasn't been proven to have done anything, yet he's still accused.
Of course it’s a coordinated lie, most of us even predicted this would happen. None of the new players in this bimbo eruption will have any evidence, just like the original. Watch and learn.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?This is about as flimsy as the first allegation, but it’s partly what the Dems have been stalling for, no doubt.Apparently nuggets are unfolding. Damn this reality show has a lot of drama in it.I was joking about the fake news cnn thing but I appreciate the additional info you sent over. Not looking good for Ford right now, but we shall see what new nuggets unfold next weekYes, my apologies, I hadn’t read your post about being incommunicado.I was traveling this weekend and not keeping up with political news. Read an article on fake news cnn saying that none of Ford’s witnesses can account for the party. Not sure if I’m supposed to believe cnn but if that’s true then it’s not looking good for Ford.
There are many sites which show the statements so you can read them for yourself. The people she claims are witnesses have no knowledge of what she is talking about.
And:
On Monday, September 17, Chairman Grassley’s staff interviewed Judge Kavanaugh under penalty of felony. Democratic staff was invited to participate, and they could have asked any question they wanted to, but they declined. Judge Kavanaugh was forthright and emphatic in his testimony. He fully answered all questions. Chairman Grassley’s staff also contacted three alleged witnesses named by Dr. Ford and obtained two statements under penalty of perjury. These witnesses directly contradict Professor Ford’s allegations against Judge Kavanaugh.
Judiciary Committee Continues Effort to Accommodate Testimony from Dr. Ford Next Week | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
She also named a female friend as a witness who has also come out and said she has no knowledge of the allegation whatsoever and doesn’t believe she’s ever been at a party at which Kav was also present.
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Yet again another case where named witnesses deny any knowledge of the ‘incident’ claimed by a very inebriated woman playing a drinking game who apparently can’t tell a real penis from a plastic one.
Oh such fun.
They seem to think what they lack in quality they can make up in quantity.Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
They both have the same basic claim, both accusers are VERY DRUNK over something 30+ years ago, lack of supporting witnesses and more.
That’s a pretty incredible claim. I can’t imagine how that comes to be without getting exposed. I think you are jumping to conclusions way to early but we shall see. I won’t rule it out as a possibility but I will say I think it’s improbableOf course it’s a coordinated lie, most of us even predicted this would happen. None of the new players in this bimbo eruption will have any evidence, just like the original. Watch and learn.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?This is about as flimsy as the first allegation, but it’s partly what the Dems have been stalling for, no doubt.Apparently nuggets are unfolding. Damn this reality show has a lot of drama in it.I was joking about the fake news cnn thing but I appreciate the additional info you sent over. Not looking good for Ford right now, but we shall see what new nuggets unfold next weekYes, my apologies, I hadn’t read your post about being incommunicado.
There are many sites which show the statements so you can read them for yourself. The people she claims are witnesses have no knowledge of what she is talking about.
And:
On Monday, September 17, Chairman Grassley’s staff interviewed Judge Kavanaugh under penalty of felony. Democratic staff was invited to participate, and they could have asked any question they wanted to, but they declined. Judge Kavanaugh was forthright and emphatic in his testimony. He fully answered all questions. Chairman Grassley’s staff also contacted three alleged witnesses named by Dr. Ford and obtained two statements under penalty of perjury. These witnesses directly contradict Professor Ford’s allegations against Judge Kavanaugh.
Judiciary Committee Continues Effort to Accommodate Testimony from Dr. Ford Next Week | United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary
She also named a female friend as a witness who has also come out and said she has no knowledge of the allegation whatsoever and doesn’t believe she’s ever been at a party at which Kav was also present.
Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim - POLITICO Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim — POLITICO
Yet again another case where named witnesses deny any knowledge of the ‘incident’ claimed by a very inebriated woman playing a drinking game who apparently can’t tell a real penis from a plastic one.
Oh such fun.
Don’t you find it a curious story to fabricate? I know you don’t like to speculate but in cases like these you have to look at the story and think things through. If she was going to make something up why not say he assaulted her when they were alone in a dorm room? Why leave so many gaps when she could easily fill in the blanks with more lies? They also would have had to plant the lie with several other classmates who have verified hearing about the event while in school. Who coordinates all of that and how do they do it?!They seem to think what they lack in quality they can make up in quantity.Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
They both have the same basic claim, both accusers are VERY DRUNK over something 30+ years ago, lack of supporting witnesses and more.
No veracity to the original claim and none to this subsequent one.
But the left don’t care.
The charge of sexual predator/abuser requires more than one victim, particularly when the original has nothing, so they go out and fish for some more.
The latest accuser was reticent to accuse Kav because she acknowledged her 35 year old drunken memory was a mess of black holes, but six days with her lawyers somehow cured her of that problem.
Only an idiot would believe this transparent crap.
Don’t you find it a curious story to fabricate? I know you don’t like to speculate but in cases like these you have to look at the story and think things through. If she was going to make something up why not say he assaulted her when they were alone in a dorm room? Why leave so many gaps when she could easily fill in the blanks with more lies? They also would have had to plant the lie with several other classmates who have verified hearing about the event while in school. Who coordinates all of that and how do they do it?!They seem to think what they lack in quality they can make up in quantity.Why are you diverting the discussion?More evidence that what the Democrats are doing is to DELIBERATELY delay the nomination process as long as they can, Ford OBVIOUSLY no longer has a credible allegation, so by a miracle a new accuser suddenly show up just in time to keep the farce going.
Senate Judiciary panel’s top Democrat calls for delay in Kavanaugh hearing after new allegation
Democrats don't realize they are destroying themselves over this blatant gambit to delay the nomination vote.
Yes of course the Dems are trying to block the nomination. That’s the goal. Doesn’t mean all the stories are made up. You shouldn’t conflate the two. It’s not honest
They both have the same basic claim, both accusers are VERY DRUNK over something 30+ years ago, lack of supporting witnesses and more.
No veracity to the original claim and none to this subsequent one.
But the left don’t care.
The charge of sexual predator/abuser requires more than one victim, particularly when the original has nothing, so they go out and fish for some more.
The latest accuser was reticent to accuse Kav because she acknowledged her 35 year old drunken memory was a mess of black holes, but six days with her lawyers somehow cured her of that problem.
Only an idiot would believe this transparent crap.
The allegations date back 35 and 36 years for a reason - nothing will be proved but Kavs reputation has already been indelibly stained.That’s a pretty incredible claim. I can’t imagine how that comes to be without getting exposed. I think you are jumping to conclusions way to early but we shall see. I won’t rule it out as a possibility but I will say I think it’s improbableOf course it’s a coordinated lie, most of us even predicted this would happen. None of the new players in this bimbo eruption will have any evidence, just like the original. Watch and learn.Plus the “creepy porn lawyer” as Tucker calls him, says he has another victim and several witnesses that validate her story. Flood gates are opening. Do you think it is all a coordinated lie?This is about as flimsy as the first allegation, but it’s partly what the Dems have been stalling for, no doubt.Apparently nuggets are unfolding. Damn this reality show has a lot of drama in it.I was joking about the fake news cnn thing but I appreciate the additional info you sent over. Not looking good for Ford right now, but we shall see what new nuggets unfold next week
Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim - POLITICO Kavanaugh confirmation in renewed peril after second assault claim — POLITICO
Yet again another case where named witnesses deny any knowledge of the ‘incident’ claimed by a very inebriated woman playing a drinking game who apparently can’t tell a real penis from a plastic one.
Oh such fun.
