Do you really care about the children?

[TemplarKormac]

Look at all that boocoos and boocoos of tax money you have chosen to waste by choosing to implement this zero tolerance policy and arresting everyone and jailing them for again a misdemeanor when they could have CHEAPLY used ankle monitoring bracelets to keep track of them with their families in tact, until their refugee hearings.

They shouldn't be here C4! Ankle bracelets be damned. We shouldn't have to spend money to keep up with people who should have never come here illegally in the first place!.

See, this shows how one sided you are. You could care less about the consequence of misbehavior. Only that they should be able to get away with it.

 

[Coyote]

Answer me honestly. Or troll my thread, I don't really care.

There are millions of children whose parents thought it would be okay to be a criminal, thusly having them separated, right here in America. There are those who are in foster care and have no idea who their parents are, once again, right here in America. In fact, I would have been a foster child myself if my grandmother hadn't stepped up to the plate.

But do you really care about the children? What about those starving to death on the streets here in our very own country?

For some of you, the answer couldn't be any more obvious. You don't. You'd rather use the 2,000 children being detained at the border as a political weapon. Before this so called outrage, your newfound compassion was nowhere to be seen. And it had everything to do with who is currently sitting in the White House.

Truth is, all children are precious. They are not tools or weapons, they are innocent life. But to sit there and whine and complain about minuscule amount of foreign children being separated from their parents, who smuggled them here illegally, over the children who currently exist in those conditions you decry on the border here in the US is downright appalling.

When or if the issue is resolved, your compassion will disappear, and you will continue living your life as you did before. Concern isn't something you can summon. You must already have it. You must genuinely care about a problem to solve it. Calling Trump a Nazi and a baby killer doesn't solve that problem.

He signed an executive order to keep families together, but you weren't satisfied. It was either that or continue separating them. Or, perhaps the end goal was simply to have them released into our country to go virtually unpunished for their breach of the law. No, you couldn't care less. Don't stand there and lecture me about my compassion or lack thereof for those children. Do us all a favor, don't taint the rest of society with your hypocrisy.

I know, a lot of you DO have genuine compassion for children everywhere, and I am doing my best not to make blanket assumptions. But to those who are reading, only you know whether this thread does or does not describe you. If it does, shame on you. If it doesn't, cool. I'm just sick of all the fake compassion out there, being bandied about for political gain.

Yes I care, and I feel we as a nation have a responsibility to all the children within our borders.

But I disagree it was either or. That is the kind of thinking that created this problem and an EO under pressure, means little to me since he has stated no plans for reunification.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is the kind of thinking that created this problem and an EO under pressure, means little to me since he has stated no plans for reunification.

Did you read the EO? Or are you basing this opinion off of what you've heard?

 

[Care4all]

So, kids are nothing more than a means to make a profit for a business? And YOU have the gall to say I don't care about the children here?

hahahaha!

NO!!!

It is your beloved president who decided that wasting tax dollars by paying private business up to $750 A DAY for each child he kidnapped, was a good idea and money well spent, vs using that money to take care of American chlldren in need!

 

[TemplarKormac]

So, kids are nothing more than a means to make a profit for a business? And YOU have the gall to say I don't care about the children here?

hahahaha!

NO!!!

It is your beloved president who decided that wasting tax dollars by paying private business up to $750 A DAY for each child he kidnapped, was a good idea and money well spent, vs using that money to take care of American chlldren in need!

You have been reduced to making assumptions about me, and your arguments are becoming increasingly emotional. My "beloved president" he isn't. He is simply president, something you apparently cannot stand.

Also, "kidnapped"?

Really? What about the other 10,000 kids who came here alone? Essentially, their parents paid to have a coyote or a smuggler "kidnap" them and bring them to or across the border. Sometimes these children are abandoned in the middle of nowhere when the smuggler gets caught.

They've already been separated. But not one word from you.

I rest my case.

 

[WEATHER53]

I think if Democrats really cared about children then they would address the large segment of their constituency that is constantly running away from the families they create

 

[BlueGin]

Answer me honestly. Or troll my thread, I don't really care.

There are millions of children whose parents thought it would be okay to be a criminal, thusly having them separated, right here in America. There are those who are in foster care and have no idea who their parents are, once again, right here in America. In fact, I would have been a foster child myself if my grandmother hadn't stepped up to the plate.

But do you really care about the children? What about those starving to death on the streets here in our very own country?

For some of you, the answer couldn't be any more obvious. You don't. You'd rather use the 2,000 children being detained at the border as a political weapon. Before this so called outrage, your newfound compassion was nowhere to be seen. And it had everything to do with who is currently sitting in the White House.

Truth is, all children are precious. They are not tools or weapons, they are innocent life. But to sit there and whine and complain about minuscule amount of foreign children being separated from their parents, who smuggled them here illegally, over the children who currently exist in those conditions you decry on the border here in the US is downright appalling.

When or if the issue is resolved, your compassion will disappear, and you will continue living your life as you did before. Concern isn't something you can summon. You must already have it. You must genuinely care about a problem to solve it. Calling Trump a Nazi and a baby killer doesn't solve that problem.

He signed an executive order to keep families together, but you weren't satisfied. It was either that or continue separating them. Or, perhaps the end goal was simply to have them released into our country to go virtually unpunished for their breach of the law. No, you couldn't care less. Don't stand there and lecture me about my compassion or lack thereof for those children. Do us all a favor, don't taint the rest of society with your hypocrisy.

I know, a lot of you DO have genuine compassion for children everywhere, and I am doing my best not to make blanket assumptions. But to those who are reading, only you know whether this thread does or does not describe you. If it does, shame on you. If it doesn't, cool. I'm just sick of all the fake compassion out there, being bandied about for political gain.

No. I don't give a shit about them. If that makes me a bad person...so be it. What I DO care about is their parents putting them in this position. Shame on them.
And I care about our OWN here in the USA. There are many many MANY children suffering right here in the USA. They are the ones that should be taken care of, fed, housed, clothed, kept safe. And not only children. Veterans, senior citizens dying from excessive heat or extreme cold. Poor people struggling to survive yet assholes want to take on even MORE poor people while pushing our own to the back of the proverbial bus.
So no and not only no...a HAYELL no do I give a fuck about some heathen brats from some shithole country.

Try working EMSA Alien Medicaid claims. Of which most are over 30k + because these illegal alien's come here with infectious deseases and septic abscesses they have been harboring for years and want free healthcare to pay for it. Which drains Medicaid funds for Americans.

 

[Coyote]

That is the kind of thinking that created this problem and an EO under pressure, means little to me since he has stated no plans for reunification.

Did you read the EO? Or are you basing this opinion off of what you've heard?

I have not read it in it’s entirety, have you? Are there plans are there for reunification? There are none. No one knows even where all the kids and parents are or even who they are in some cases. Parents are given inadequate information. One case, probably one of many, the mother found her five yr old son, and the caregivers were so relieved because they had no information on who the child’s parents were. The help they are getting is from immigration specialists, pro bono lawyers, ngo’s and religious groups, not the government who are the ones who should know where every child is and where the parents are.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I have not read it in it’s entirety, have you?

Then how can you assume it has no plan to reunify the families? Even if it doesn't the government has been working to reunify them anyway. There might have been no need to address that in the EO.

 

[WEATHER53]

USA is not a PR firm charged with making sure that children get to be all cozy and secure with their law breaking parents(half of which are not their parents but Are persons of a sinister nature)

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I do have empathy. As a child I was given to the state at 7. It was a fairly traumatic experience.
Having said that I understand the goal.
Both sides can go fuck themselves with their talking points.

BUILD THE MOTHERFUCKING WALL

 

[ThisIsMe]

So, you say you care about all these children coming over the border...tell me, how many of these children have you sponsored? How much money have you sent to these shelters? How much time have you spent buying food for these children?

None? Seems a lot of people only seem to care about these children with other people's money. If you are genuinely concerned for them, I'd think you'd be out there volunteering at these community centers, or sending money each month to buy them food and clothes.

I'm all for charity and helping people in need, I'm not for forcing people to be charitable.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

So, you say you care about all these children coming over the border...tell me, how many of these children have you sponsored? How much money have you sent to these shelters? How much time have you spent buying food for these children?

None? Seems a lot of people only seem to care about these children with other people's money. If you are genuinely concerned for them, I'd think you'd be out there volunteering at these community centers, or sending money each month to buy them food and clothes.

I'm all for charity and helping people in need, I'm not for forcing people to be charitable.

I give no money to these children or their needs specifically but I would definitely open my home to an American FAMILY in need or a war ravaged family.
I would also take in one of these kids if I was allowed. Not because I want them here, I don't. But because I know they are pawns in a bigger game.
As an excon i can do none of the above. I couldn't even become a foster parent to American children

 

[Care4all]

Anyhow, the law is the law. First their parents came here illegally, then they chose to commit a crime, any crime. If you want them to be subject to our laws, then they should be subject to the ones that separate a parent from their child if the parent commits a crime.

NOPE!

1) Those coming here seeking refugee asylum, are not coming here illegally.... it's the law, they have a legal human right to seek asylum in another nation if they fear for their life or the life of an immediate family member.

2) That right is their right, whether they cross the border at a crossing, or swim across the rio grande, as long as they turn themselves in to border patrol once on our soil, and tell them they are seeking asylum....which begins the process for the asylum seeking refugee...and they get a court date for a hearing on whether they qualify for asylum....

What the administration did, was decide they would charge refugees with illegal border crossing...., if they did not cross through the border crossing gates....which was NEVER DONE by previous administrations....

but this administration, PURPOSELY short handed the border crossing ports, knowing the caravan of refugees were on their way up here...

Which backed up, and the wait to cross through the gate was 9 days instead of the hour you arrive... mothers with children feared for their children waiting the 9 days in the sun and heat and found means to cross right outside of the border port and waited under shaded trees to then turned themselves in to border patrol.

THEN the administration, PURPOSELY short handed the Courts....taking months for their refugee status hearings...all in their cruel and unusual punishment for these people's legal right to seek asylum

The court ruling that said kids can not be held/interned with their parents longer than 10 days, and the very long waits to see a judge in court for their legal 'due process' gave Sessions an excuse to steal their children from them and send them to 17 different states at the $750 bucks a child,

the same system UNACCOMPANIED MINORS crossing the border are put in...and they start the process to steal their kids, by stating their parents abandoned them....BUT THEY DIDN'T abandon them!!!!!!!!!!!! And they try to place them in Foster care, until their court dates...again, their due process.....but they are kids and parents have no one fighting for them in court....

What Bush and Obama did was not charge asylum seeking refugees from central america with illegal border crossing, and set them up with a court hearing, and released them until their court date because they did NOT WANT TO SPLIT these mother and fathers from their children and do to the refugees what Trump has done with his zero tolerance policy change.

Obama started a test program, and put ankle bracelets on them so they would not just disappear within the country, while waiting for their refugee status hearing.... and the ankle monitoring program, had 100% compliance.... not a single one missed their court hearings, no one disappeared in to the grey....and families were kept together....

if the court ruled they did not qualify, they were deported as a family unit.

if the court ruled they qualified as refugees, then they got to stay and their asylum process began...

NOW the admin has decided that they will build internment camps for them, to keep them together while they wait trial/court date.... but GUARANTEED, that is illegal as well because it still calls for the kids being locked up, basically, longer than 10 days, only in an internment camp.

what the admin should do, is staff for the mass crossing, and fill the courts with more immigration judges to speed up the process of deportation, and issue monitoring ankle bracelets and let them free, with family, until their court date....

 

[TemplarKormac]

1) Those coming here seeking refugee asylum, are not coming here illegally.... it's the law, they have a legal human right to seek asylum in another nation if they fear for their life or the life of an immediate family member.

We aren't talking about asylum seekers here. Why are you making the assumption that I think asylum seekers are here illegally?

Don't move the goalposts. I am talking about parents and children who did not come here seeking asylum through a port of entry. That's it.

 

[Care4all]

So, kids are nothing more than a means to make a profit for a business? And YOU have the gall to say I don't care about the children here?

hahahaha!

NO!!!

It is your beloved president who decided that wasting tax dollars by paying private business up to $750 A DAY for each child he kidnapped, was a good idea and money well spent, vs using that money to take care of American chlldren in need!

You have been reduced to making assumptions about me, and your arguments are becoming increasingly emotional. My "beloved president" he isn't. He is simply president, something you apparently cannot stand.

Also, "kidnapped"?

Really? What about the other 10,000 kids who came here alone? Essentially, their parents paid to have a coyote or a smuggler "kidnap" them and bring them to or across the border. Sometimes these children are abandoned in the middle of nowhere when the smuggler gets caught.

They've already been separated. But not one word from you.

I rest my case.

apples and oranges

Refugee parents coming with THEIR OWN CHILDREN are not the same as unaccompanied children crossing with coyotes.

THIS CRISIS is about taking kids away from THEIR PARENTS.

 

[Care4all]

1) Those coming here seeking refugee asylum, are not coming here illegally.... it's the law, they have a legal human right to seek asylum in another nation if they fear for their life or the life of an immediate family member.

We aren't talking about asylum seekers here. Why are you making the assumption that I think asylum seekers are here illegally?

Don't move the goalposts. I am talking about parents and children who did not come here seeking asylum through a port of entry. That's it.

i am not moving the goal post, IT IS WHAT THIS CRISIS IS ABOUT!

PAY ATTENTION!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Refugee parents coming with THEIR OWN CHILDREN are not the same as unaccompanied children crossing with coyotes.

THIS CRISIS is about taking kids away from THEIR PARENTS

I am not talking about refugees, nor am I talking about asylum seekers. I am talking about the children who came here alone. WHO WERE ALREADY SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS. I am talking about the parents who chose to breach our laws with child in tow, which subjected them to the already existing requirement that a parent be separated from their child for committing a crime. This law applies to legal parents as well as illegal.

Goodness gracious you are thick headed.

 

[TemplarKormac]

1) Those coming here seeking refugee asylum, are not coming here illegally.... it's the law, they have a legal human right to seek asylum in another nation if they fear for their life or the life of an immediate family member.

We aren't talking about asylum seekers here. Why are you making the assumption that I think asylum seekers are here illegally?

Don't move the goalposts. I am talking about parents and children who did not come here seeking asylum through a port of entry. That's it.

i am not moving the goal post, IT IS WHAT THIS CRISIS IS ABOUT!

PAY ATTENTION!

You are growing increasingly upset. You are trying to frame this issue into something it isn't. Do you have anything other than emotion and non sequiturs to bring to this discussion?

 

[Care4all]

Ever hear of the 4th Amendment, due process?

They Are Not United States Citizens
OR Lawful Foreign Residents
And Have NO RIGHTS Under Our Constitution
It's A LIE Ginned Up By People Like....You

They Can Be Turned Back Anywhere Within One-Hundred Miles Of The Border

You're Pretty Rude
For Someone Yet To Show You Ever Know What You're Talking About

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