Do You Think The Fast & Furious Scandal Is Worse Than Watergate Scandal?

[bigrebnc1775]

Or is this thread really about stupid, illiterate whitey, who can't think because ya-all have your little heads up each others' deep, dark, missing-calinkley buttholes?

You redstate retard bitches can't spell, either. I hope Federal n-words bust your shit!

Don't get uppity and retarded, both, and go over to any environment threads, ya hear?

Shows how fucking racist and stupid you are. How do you know what someone's race is?

 

[NoNukes]

Yeah but you're a deranged Obamabot, so you would say that. You will defend anything your Dear Leader does. So you have no credibility.

And we are supposed to listen to you??????

Yeah, like you crazy Obamabots would hold your Dear Leader accountable for anything. Like i said, you have no credibility.

We hold him accountable for plenty that we are not happy about. On the other hand, those who hate him will never say a good word about anything that he has done. You are the ones with no credibility, you know it, so you pull a Karl Rove move and accuse us of what you are guilty of. And plenty of your ilk are stupid enough to believe it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

No amount of accuation is going to convict the President.

Eric Holder is the subject of the investigation, not Obama.

Again I'm not comparing the two, just pointing out that Congress was not given all the information regarding Iraq, contrary to what was posted.

Congress did not subpoena documents and have them refused. You are just blowing smoke to cover up for your shameful party.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I am not speaking for Marc. But I imagine he is so upset because he is so tired of the lies and distortians by the right wing regarding anything involving OUR president. I know I am.

You mindless sycophants are something else.

 

[The Infidel]

What I don't understand is why, according to the "Obama Is Going To Take Our Guns" crowd, it matters a great deal that a lot of Mexicans have been killed with American guns...but....it doesn't matter at all about the Americans that are killed everyday in the same manner.

Why are Mexicans dying a huge issue and a massive governmental conspiracy, when Americans dying is just business as usual and doesn't raise a mention?

If guns were coming across the southern border with the full knowledge of the Meican gov't and it was discovered, Americans would be outraged.

These cowards hoped the same would happen once Americans figured out that guns were being sold at american gun shops to cartel members, and mexicans were dying left and right with them.... Americans would be outraged. (and SOME of us are)

Problem is... it was discovered and now Holder is being protected by Obama with E/P. (not saying Obama was aware of F&F at first)



I cant believe you folks are still doubting this was a fact.

What will it take for you guys to admit what is plain as the nose on your faces???

 

[Uncensored2008]

Issa admitted it on Fox and Friends!!! What in the hell is wrong with you???

If anyone ever questions how Nazi death camps, Stalin murdering 100 million, and the Killing fields happened, they only need review your mindless devotion and worship to the cult of personality surrounding Obama.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I still disagree with you on the 2nd amendment theory. I say he did it because he neede to protect the right of the government to operate without fear of some solitary Congressman demanding every last statement everyones ever said, propoased or even considered behind closed doors be made public.

So basically, you hold that Obama is not accountable to the representatives of the people who elected him?

He is, above the law?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You must not remember John Mitchell then.

Because in the alleged mind of a leftist, a two bit break in is far worse than supplying the Mexican drug cartel with high powered weapons used to murder two federal agents.

When party is the only factor, reason is jettisoned.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

*one-man standing ovation*


Prove it...hack!


Oh thaths thimple...there iths nun.



Can you say DEAD WRONG a-hole?!??

Issa admits no evidence White House involved in Fast and Furious | The Raw Story

FOOLS!!! Straight up fools...the LOT of you. Über partisan, RW henchmen.

What a bunch of jackasses.

Yeah but you're a deranged Obamabot, so you would say that. You will defend anything your Dear Leader does. So you have no credibility.

Issa admitted it on Fox and Friends!!! What in the hell is wrong with you???

opsie

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa made the remarks in a letter to the president dated Monday, as the House gets ready to vote this week on a contempt resolution against Attorney General Eric Holder.
The committee recommended the vote after Holder refused to hand over all of the requested documents in its investigation of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' controversial sting.

Issa slams Obama over Fast and Furious executive privilege - CNN.com

 

[The Infidel]

Because it happens every day but the gun nuts are kicking up the big fuss about the F&F thing.
Where is the outrage from them about the deaths in America?

We are outraged, and when we point out the communities that most gun violence happens in America we are called racists

Plus, I dont think gun shop owners are selling criminals the weapons with full consent of ATF any longer.

 

[The Infidel]

Yeah but you're a deranged Obamabot, so you would say that. You will defend anything your Dear Leader does. So you have no credibility.

Issa admitted it on Fox and Friends!!! What in the hell is wrong with you???

opsie

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa made the remarks in a letter to the president dated Monday, as the House gets ready to vote this week on a contempt resolution against Attorney General Eric Holder.
The committee recommended the vote after Holder refused to hand over all of the requested documents in its investigation of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' controversial sting.

Issa slams Obama over Fast and Furious executive privilege - CNN.com

“The decision to invoke executive privilege is an admission that White House officials were involved in decisions that misled the Congress and have covered up the truth,”

 

[paulitician]

'Hope & Change.' How ya like me now? Man, is there any promise this President hasn't broken? Now he's suddenly all about that Executive Privilege. Gawd, Obamabots are such silly dupes.

 

[BlindBoo]

Yes, historians will be debating the pros and cons of the invasion of Iraq for many decades to come. But at least President Bush made all the intelligence available to the members of Congress so that they could cast an informed vote on whether to grant authority to the President for the invasion. Congress, most especially the Democrats, had been clamoring for the President to do something about Iraq long before President Bush came to office. And there were the 12 long weeks of talks with the U.N. who were not willing to vote to join in an invasion, but did not turn thumbs down on one either. So however wrong that might have been, President Bush did not act unilaterally or without proper authority.

Did the Obama Administration get authority or even advise Congress on F & F? Does this Administration get advice and counsel of Congress on much of anything?

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - CIA - Salon.com

Salon.com, one of the most dedicated leftist sites on the internet?

Or shall we go with CNN and Bob Woodward which relates the account that all valid historians know to be the accurate story:

About two weeks before deciding to invade Iraq, President Bush was told by CIA Director George Tenet there was a "slam dunk case" that dictator Saddam Hussein had unconventional weapons, according to a new book by Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward.
Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - CNN

Tenent has not denied he used the phrase, since that time, nor has he denied that he gave President Bush assurance that WMD existed based on CIA information, though he has since then accused VP Cheney of exaggerating the context. According to Woodward, Cheney was not consulted when the final decision was made.

When all else fails attack the source as not being credible.

On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD.

“We checked on everything he told us.” French intelligence eavesdropped on his telephone conversations and shared them with the CIA. These taps “validated” Sabri’s claims, according to one of the CIA officers. The officers brought this material to the attention of the newly formed Iraqi Operations Group within the CIA. But those in charge of the IOG were on a mission to prove that Saddam did have WMD and would not give credit to anything that came from the French. “They kept saying the French were trying to undermine the war,” said one of the CIA officers.

The officers continued to insist on the significance of Sabri’s information, but one of Tenet’s deputies told them, “You haven’t figured this out yet. This isn’t about intelligence. It’s about regime change.”

 

[Liability]

Re-Election Campaign Poster.

If honesty had any place in the DNC.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Issa admitted it on Fox and Friends!!! What in the hell is wrong with you???

opsie

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa made the remarks in a letter to the president dated Monday, as the House gets ready to vote this week on a contempt resolution against Attorney General Eric Holder.
The committee recommended the vote after Holder refused to hand over all of the requested documents in its investigation of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' controversial sting.

Issa slams Obama over Fast and Furious executive privilege - CNN.com

“The decision to invoke executive privilege is an admission that White House officials were involved in decisions that misled the Congress and have covered up the truth,”

True story

 

[Liability]

Who wants to see a picture taken on Election Night 2012?

My infamous FutureCam2013 Model O snapped this image of things to come:

Since you have the intelligence required to be perusing THIS thread, YOU get to see it now.

 

[BlindBoo]

Where is the evidence that either the AG or the President ordered these weapons tranferred to the cartels?

The criminal organization known as the BATF, is part of the department of justice, whom the top dog is Eric Holder. You don't think he should be held responsible for the actions of his organization? Because he is a democrat, and no blame accrues to the party.

Where is the evidence that there is any type of cover up of FF?

Holders refusal to turn over documents to congress.

So in other words there is no evidence that either one ordered the weapons to be transferred? You just made it up to make them sound bad, didn't you. (or you're a parrot)

 

[The T]

Re-Election Campaign Poster.

If honesty had any place in the DNC.

It's why Democrats are bailing and NOT going to show up in Charlotte...

 

[Foxfyre]

On Sept. 18, 2002, CIA director George Tenet briefed President Bush in the Oval Office on top-secret intelligence that Saddam Hussein did not have weapons of mass destruction, according to two former senior CIA officers. Bush dismissed as worthless this information from the Iraqi foreign minister, a member of Saddam’s inner circle, although it turned out to be accurate in every detail. Tenet never brought it up again.

Nor was the intelligence included in the National Intelligence Estimate of October 2002, which stated categorically that Iraq possessed WMD. No one in Congress was aware of the secret intelligence that Saddam had no WMD as the House of Representatives and the Senate voted, a week after the submission of the NIE, on the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq. The information, moreover, was not circulated within the CIA among those agents involved in operations to prove whether Saddam had WMD.

Bush knew Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction - CIA - Salon.com

Salon.com, one of the most dedicated leftist sites on the internet?

Or shall we go with CNN and Bob Woodward which relates the account that all valid historians know to be the accurate story:

About two weeks before deciding to invade Iraq, President Bush was told by CIA Director George Tenet there was a "slam dunk case" that dictator Saddam Hussein had unconventional weapons, according to a new book by Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward.
Woodward: Tenet told Bush WMD case a 'slam dunk' - CNN

Tenent has not denied he used the phrase, since that time, nor has he denied that he gave President Bush assurance that WMD existed based on CIA information, though he has since then accused VP Cheney of exaggerating the context. According to Woodward, Cheney was not consulted when the final decision was made.

When all else fails attack the source as not being credible.

On April 23, 2006, CBS’s “60 Minutes” interviewed Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA chief of clandestine operations for Europe, who disclosed that the agency had received documentary intelligence from Naji Sabri, Saddam’s foreign minister, that Saddam did not have WMD.

“We checked on everything he told us.” French intelligence eavesdropped on his telephone conversations and shared them with the CIA. These taps “validated” Sabri’s claims, according to one of the CIA officers. The officers brought this material to the attention of the newly formed Iraqi Operations Group within the CIA. But those in charge of the IOG were on a mission to prove that Saddam did have WMD and would not give credit to anything that came from the French. “They kept saying the French were trying to undermine the war,” said one of the CIA officers.

The officers continued to insist on the significance of Sabri’s information, but one of Tenet’s deputies told them, “You haven’t figured this out yet. This isn’t about intelligence. It’s about regime change.”

It all depends on who is telling the story Boo. A commentator that frequents Salon.com or Daily Kos is going to have a much different perspective and is likely to believe much different things that will a commentator that frequents Townhall or World Net Daily. Those who want to promote the ideological perspective will go to such sites to get them. Those of us who want the truth rather than the propaganda check a lot of different sources rather than depend on one to give us the whole story.

I gave you a link at least as credible as yours to counter your link. That is a fundamental of real debate rather than just throwing stuff at the wall hoping something will stick.

If this F&F scandal gains legs and Holder is held accountable, there will be post mortems for years afterward trying to dig up exhoneration or more dirt on both the Attorney General's office and any culpability that can be attached to Obama. Obama lovers will deplore such digging expeditions; Obama critics will applaud them and post them on message boards.

And life goes on.
The fact is that President Bush, his entire cabinet and other advisors, essentially all of Congress, all of the U.N., and most heads of state and Arab nations believed Saddam had WMD whether or not they thought it imperative to invade to destroy them. Armchair quarter backing and attacking a hated President after the fact is politics, not objective reporting.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Re-Election Campaign Poster.

If honesty had any place in the DNC.

It's why Democrats are bailing and NOT going to show up in Charlotte...

I heard about that briefly on the radio. but didn't pay much attention to it.
The DNC like normal will stick Charlotte with the bill.