Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Still they aren't exactly in the Constitution so I was givin u a hard time and winking.

they, like the Bill Of Rights, were not in the Constitution because they were considered a given. If you put something in the Constitution it can become the subject and liberal government whimsy like the right to bear arms. It clearly says you have the right to bear arms, but now liberals are saying you don't have the right to bear bullets.

 

[lynn63]

Since the 80's doctors and other healthcare providers have been making less money and it shows when so many are in group practices instead of solo.

 

[Bfgrn]

medical costs will not decrease ever under a free market system, docs and the medical profeession are always wanting more pay.

a perfect example of the liberal IQ.

Everyone wants more pay and profits of course but competition makes you accept lower and lower pay and profits until you are working at cost or below, in a capitalist system.

This is Econ 101 class one day one but a liberal lacks the IQ to understand it.

Econ 101...IF you are working (operating is proper term) at cost or below, YOU GO OUT OF BUSINESS.

You are a FUCKING MORON...

 

[Underhill]

Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....would work???

Patients would be spending their own money so the incentive to decrease costs would increase 1000%

Providers would be competing on price and quality to survive. This would decrease costs another 1000%

It would save every American about $5000 a year.

And what you are forgetting is the fact that capitalist health care is what brought us to where we are.

Before insurance came along, we had exactly that. And those who had serious injuries or sickness lost everything. Insurance came along but only some could afford it. So states and unions worked to mandate insurance for employees.

Up to this point it was purely market driven. The problem was insurance cost were too high for many, so people were still left uncovered and would often lose everything when they became old or infirm.

So government insurance came along. Medicaid and then Medicare. And they have generally worked quite well.

The problems with health insurance are not new. And they aren't all that hard to diagnose. They have very little to do with government insurance and everything to do with our medicated culture. In 10 years alone (1996-2006) the number of doctors visits per person increased by 25%.

And the stats are the same across the board. We spend more time at the doctors, take more medicines, have more surgeries and spend more time convalescing at home than we used to.

So is it any wonder that cost have skyrocketed?

But there are solutions. And other countries have implemented them with varying degrees of success.

So rather than pine for a earlier time that never really existed, perhaps we should look for examples that actually work and model our system after those.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr003.pdf

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And what you are forgetting is the fact that capitalist health care is what brought us to where we are.

dear, if capitalism made is the richest country in human history why would it fail in one industry: health care??? Are you saying that if Americans shopped with their own money and providers had to compete on the basis of price and quality our system would get worse rather than 600% better and cheaper??


See why we are positive a liberal will be nearly illiterate??

 

[Dragonlady]

dear, if capitalism made is the richest country in human history why would it fail in one industry: health care??? Are you saying that if Americans shopped with their own money and providers had to compete on the basis of price and quality our system would get worse rather than 600% better and cheaper??

Because health care isn't a product that you can comparison price shop for. When you are sick, you can't take competing quotes and sign a contract for the best price. Health care insurance is control by mega corporations who fix prices and don't really compete.

The US is the only first world country in the world without government run health care and it's the most expensive, paper ridden system in the world. The rest of the world looks at American health insurance as a sad joke.

I haven't filled out a health insurance form in Canada in over 10 years. The last one was a claim for a new pair of glasses, so I guess I'll be doing it again soon. I have my OHIP card and my supplemental insurance card, and they get swiped and my provider gets paid.

That's pretty much all my provider has to do too. My doctor has to submit a monthly bill to OHIP with a list of patients and treatments. That's it. His receptionist does it for him.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Because health care isn't a product that you can comparison price shop for.

of course, as usual, very first sentence, wrong wrong wrong, dead wrong!! In Japan all prices are published for every tiny little thing you can imagine, every tiny thing!!!Its the law!!!

Also, I just met a guy who took a injured worker to an immediate care center. It cost him $200-300, while we all agreed a typical ER would have been 5-10 times more. He did his shopping . In the future he knows where to go and so do the rest of us with out shopping!

See how capitalism works, dear. Can't your husband explain it to you further??

 

[Dragonlady]

Then why does the US have the most expensive health care in the world. If competition is driving your prices down, why does your health care cost 2 or three times as much as the rest of the world. It's not that much better than the rest of the world.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Then why does the US have the most expensive health care in the world. If competition is driving your prices down, why does your health care cost 2 or three times as much as the rest of the world. It's not that much better than the rest of the world.

Dear, OP claims a liberal will lack the IQ to understand capitalist Republican health care; you have just proven the OP is 100% correct!! Thank you. Hopefully some good can come of it if you and other liberals have the character and IQ to learn, but sadly this is almost impossible for a liberal.

Anyway, US is most expensive because it is not capitalist at all!!
The six major liberal government health care programs—Medicare, Medicaid, the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), the Department of Defense TRICARE and TRICARE for Life programs (DOD TRICARE), the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) program, and the Indian Health Service (IHS) program, plus, liberals have made capitalist competition among health insurance companies illegal!!

Our system is a socialist spaghetti mess compared to your single payer relatively less wasteful socialist mess.

All that will be way way over your head but perhaps you can discuss it with others and try your best to understand it?? Please try. This could be the start of a new life for you? Do you think you can do it? My fee is $0. I regard it as my democratic duty.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Because health care isn't a product that you can comparison price shop for.

of course, as usual, very first sentence, wrong wrong wrong, dead wrong!! In Japan all prices are published for every tiny little thing you can imagine, every tiny thing!!!Its the law!!!

Also, I just met a guy who took a injured worker to an immediate care center. It cost him $200-300, while we all agreed a typical ER would have been 5-10 times more. He did his shopping . In the future he knows where to go and so do the rest of us with out shopping!

See how capitalism works, dear. Can't your husband explain it to you further??

Why do you cherry pick and ignore the things you can't answer?

hon

Think I'll do the same

hon

because, in all the miles of crap you've written, you did get this one thing correct

hon

Our system is a socialist spaghetti mess

Good for you

hon

Your hero, Ronnie Ray-Gun's EMTALA is indeed a socialist mess

hon

Some of us are sick of paying YOUR health care bills and some of us think its time you started paying your own health care bills

hon

Its time for you to quit your damn whining

hon

Its time for you to step up, buy health care insurance and FINALLY take responsibility for your own health care bills

hon.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why do you cherry pick and ignore the things you can't answer?

please show me one significant thing I can answer or admit to being a low IQ liberal liar!!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Then why does the US have the most expensive health care in the world. If competition is driving your prices down, why does your health care cost 2 or three times as much as the rest of the world. It's not that much better than the rest of the world.

For some reason, the US has been willing to settle for substandard health care while paying more than any other 1st world country.

I've written about it before so won't go into great detail but the emergency care I got in Belgium was what we should be able to get here. I was able to see a specialist immediately (twice) got excellent treatment and paid a fraction of what it would have cost here to wait weeks to see a doctor.

Amazingly, the Obama haters are more than willing to pay outrageous costs for substandard care while subsidizing the congress' premiums for the very same coverage they want to deny us.

WTF is up with that?

Why do these fools want to keep this dysfunctional SOCIALIST system that was put in place by Reagan and forces us all to pay for the care of those who don't want to or cannot pay for their own care?

Why are the Obama haters against paying for their own care? IMO, that question answers itself.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why do these fools want to keep this dysfunctional SOCIALIST system

Dear, we always have to start in absolute kindergarten with you. Conservatives/libertarians hate socialism. So, they don't want to keep socialism. They want to switch to capitalism.

Got it now?????????????????????????????

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Since the 80's doctors and other healthcare providers have been making less money and it shows when so many are in group practices instead of solo.

Its true that doctors and hospitals have consistently lost money under the Republican SOCIALIST system we currently have. As a result of EMTALA and those who don't pay their ills, our hospitals have had to close their trauma and burn centers. Even though we all pay more, we've been getting less and less.

And, while the quality of our health has suffered, we've been forced to subsidize the health care of our congresspeople. That would be the very same (REPUBLICANISM) congress-jerks who want to keep us from getting better care.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Its true that doctors and hospitals have consistently lost money under the Republican SOCIALIST system we currently have.

too stupid of course since Republicans didn't generally support the main pillars of the current liberal/socialist system: Medicare Medicare Schip and state health care regulation.

You may be the only human being on earth who does not know that!!


"At the time, conservatives strongly opposed Medicare, warning that a government-run program would lead to socialism in America:
Ronald Reagan: “f you don’t [stop Medicare] and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.” [1961]
George H.W. Bush: Described Medicare in 1964 as “socialized medicine.” [1964]
Barry Goldwater: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.” [1964]
Bob Dole: In 1996, while running for the Presidency, Dole openly bragged that he was one of 12 House members who voted against creating Medicare in 1965. “I was there, fighting the fight, voting against Medicare . . . because we knew it wouldn’t work in 1965.” [1965]

 

[rdean]

Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....would work???

Patients would be spending their own money so the incentive to decrease costs would increase 1000%

Providers would be competing on price and quality to survive. This would decrease costs another 1000%

It would save every American about $5000 a year.

If this wasn't so stupid and ill informed, I would comment on it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....would work???

Patients would be spending their own money so the incentive to decrease costs would increase 1000%

Providers would be competing on price and quality to survive. This would decrease costs another 1000%

It would save every American about $5000 a year.

If this wasn't so stupid and ill informed, I would comment on it.

translation: as a typical liberal I'm too dumb to say why its stupid

 

[pjnlsn]

This works on the same principle as nineteenth century markets. No restrictions, so prices were guaranteed to be lower and lower.
Uh, but monopolies developed, cornered markets, controlled prices and gouged everyone.
How does that work again?

we have long had anti-trust laws. Sorry!!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??

To not understand a principle which you've picked more for it's simplicity than applicability or relevance is only slightly worse than to be nieve, and to not understand all the relevant aspects of the world and what people want and do on a regular basis.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

This works on the same principle as nineteenth century markets. No restrictions, so prices were guaranteed to be lower and lower.
Uh, but monopolies developed, cornered markets, controlled prices and gouged everyone.
How does that work again?

we have long had anti-trust laws. Sorry!!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??

To not understand a principle which you've picked more for it's simplicity than applicability or relevance is only slightly worse than to be nieve, and to not understand all the relevant aspects of the world and what people want and do on a regular basis.

typical liberal talking gibberish because he lacks IQ for substance

 

[pjnlsn]

we have long had anti-trust laws. Sorry!!!

See why we are positive a liberal will be slow??

To not understand a principle which you've picked more for it's simplicity than applicability or relevance is only slightly worse than to be nieve, and to not understand all the relevant aspects of the world and what people want and do on a regular basis.

typical liberal talking gibberish because he lacks IQ for substance

To not understand a simple principle is only slightly worse than to be completely nieve and not understand how the world works.

Though to be a troll, more or less, is worse than either, imo......