Does a liberal have the IQ to understand how Republican capitalist health care.....

[expatriate]

You didn't even look at the link? It's the definitive source for the history of Jefferson. Of course you didn't...

But don't worry Eddie, I certainly don't need your money and you clearly could not get by without it.

Next time though, don't let your big mouth write checks your ass can't cash. Making stupid bets like this when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I understand that you are not a native American, so I get it that you might be unaware of the well known details of the Jefferson-Hemmings relationship, but those of us who studied American history are well aware of those details, and do not look down on THAT relationship any more than we do the one between Thaddeus Stevens and Lydia Smith. The two men were both great Americans and the color of their lovers' skins means nothing to most of us.... Certainly not me.

And only the sounds of crickets chirping, as Eddie slinks away breathing a sigh of relief that he didn't have to join the welcher's club along with Liability!

Shortly after the DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

 

[Mr Natural]

And only the sounds of crickets chirping, as Eddie slinks away breathing a sigh of relief that he didn't have to join the welcher's club along with Liability!

Shortly after the DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

 

[expatriate]

Shortly after the DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

Exactly! I wonder why he didn't make the bet for ten million instead of just 10K?

 

[Mr Natural]

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

Exactly! I wonder why he didn't make the bet for ten million instead of just 10K?

That might make him look foolish.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Shortly after the DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

world you still like to make a legally binding bet that you have proof Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally. Yes or No????

 

[expatriate]

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

world you still like to make a legally binding bet that you have proof Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally. Yes or No????

Would I STILL like to make this bet? I never proposed the bet in the first place. What I can't understand is your abhorrence with the commonly acknowleged likelihood that Tom and Sally were longtime lovers. I guess from your perspective, the author of the Declaration of Independence isn't diminished in your eyes one scintilla even though he owned human beings as property and kept them enslaved. But suggest that he might have had real affection for one of his slaves and loved her and had children with her - and, I might add, freed all of those offspring of theirs to be freemen - and some how, THEN... THEN...
Kwhen some suggests that Tom Jefferson, lily white Tom, may have had sex with one of those black People, and Ed goes into a total tizzy and wants to bet his inheritance to protect the honor of Thomas Jefferson and white men everywhere. That's sort of a morally indefensible position you've staked out... But hey, if it gets you through the nit, go for it.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Would I STILL like to make this bet? I never proposed the bet in the first place.

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism. It figures liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb- right??

I guess from your perspective, the author of the Declaration of Independence isn't diminished in your eyes one scintilla even though he owned human beings as property and kept them enslaved.

you are a typical liberal 100% illiterate!!

1)Jefferson wrote more about slavery than Taxes in the Declaration

2) Jefferson was born owning slaves manumission was illegal especially when you were in debt

3) Can you say what you would have done if born into a household owning slaves???? Think about it, and feel stupid and liberal.

4) despite that Jefferson created freedom on earth and literally freed 2 billion people, the latest in Russia and Red China as the cold war ended.

No humam being could be greater!!

 

[Zarius]

Would I STILL like to make this bet? I never proposed the bet in the first place.

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism. It figures liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb- right??

I guess from your perspective, the author of the Declaration of Independence isn't diminished in your eyes one scintilla even though he owned human beings as property and kept them enslaved.

you are a typical liberal 100% illiterate!!

1)Jefferson wrote more about slavery than Taxes in the Declaration

2) Jefferson was born owning slaves manumission was illegal especially when you were in debt

3) Can you say what you would have done if born into a household owning slaves???? Think about it, and feel stupid and liberal.

4) despite that Jefferson created freedom on earth and literally freed 2 billion people, the latest in Russia and Red China as the cold war ended.

No humam being could be greater!!

You are EdwardA. You are hateful of Blacks. You are many low things.

 

[expatriate]

Would I STILL like to make this bet? I never proposed the bet in the first place.

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism. It figures liberals spied for Hitler and Stalin and gave Stalin the bomb- right??

I guess from your perspective, the author of the Declaration of Independence isn't diminished in your eyes one scintilla even though he owned human beings as property and kept them enslaved.

you are a typical liberal 100% illiterate!!

1)Jefferson wrote more about slavery than Taxes in the Declaration

2) Jefferson was born owning slaves manumission was illegal especially when you were in debt

3) Can you say what you would have done if born into a household owning slaves???? Think about it, and feel stupid and liberal.

4) despite that Jefferson created freedom on earth and literally freed 2 billion people, the latest in Russia and Red China as the cold war ended.

No humam being could be greater!!

So Tommy owning hot black chicks is perfectly OK with you, but the thought of him tappin' one of them just drives you CRAAAAAZY!!!!!

I got it. You're an idiot. We're all done. AMF.

 

[Dragonlady]

4) despite that Jefferson created freedom on earth and literally freed 2 billion people, the latest in Russia and Red China as the cold war ended.

People in China and Russia were not freed. They were enslaved in the New World Order. Conditions in Russia are worse than they were under communism, and the same with China.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

4) despite that Jefferson created freedom on earth and literally freed 2 billion people, the latest in Russia and Red China as the cold war ended.

People in China and Russia were not freed. They were enslaved in the New World Order. Conditions in Russia are worse than they were under communism, and the same with China.

too stupid of course!!! 60 million slowly starved to death in liberal socialist China while capitalist Hong Kong just across the border got rich thanks to Republican capitalism!

So China switched to capitalism and now instead of slowly starving to death 20 million a year can afford to buy cars!!

10% growth a year for 30 years is greatest economic miracle in human history. Stands to reason a liberal is too slow to know it!!

 

[Dragonlady]

So China switched to capitalism and now instead of slowly starving to death 20 million a year can afford to buy cars!!

10% growth a year for 30 years is greatest economic miracle in human history. Stands to reason a liberal is too slow to know it!!

No Eddie. These so-called economic miracles have benefitted large multinational corporations, the elite of China and Russia, and left their workers unemployed, in desperate straits. 20 millions cars in China for a population of 1,344,130,000 - big whoop. What about the other 1,324,130,000 people. They don't have cars, or jobs, or food. Suicides have more than doubled since 1998, and China now has one of the highest suicide rates in the world.

Americans used to say that the high rate of alcoholism in Russia was a sign of how bad it was to live under Communism, but under capitalism, that rate has tripled. And thousands upon thousands of people have died because of the free markets reforms.

Unfettered capitalism is no more successful than communism. Only the wealthy benefit. That's not good for the country. Only when capitalism is regulated so that workers cannot be exploited or abused, and a social safety net is in place, can capitalism raise the standard of living in a country. Canada, most of the members of the EU, Scandanavia, all are mixed economies, and much stronger and healther than the US.

 

[poet]

The committee commissioned by the heritage society had WHAT qualifications with which to reach their different conclusions?

I KNEW you'd tap dance away from your foolhardy wager. She went with Tom to Paris, for crissakes and he was present at Monticello where she was, or with her in Paris when her children were conceived. And her kids have Jefferson DNA! Baby brother Randolph becomes the scapegoat, does he? Either way..a Jefferson boy was dipping into some dark meat.

Special Ed makes these stupid ass bets knowing full well he'll never have to pay up.

world you still like to make a legally binding bet that you have proof Thomas Jefferson fathered children with Sally. Yes or No????

Oprah had a show with the white and black descendants of Thomas Jefferson, so......

 

[poet]

Americans, Democrat, Republican, and Independents support Capitalism, moron. You don't corner that market, and extol the glories thereof.

too stupid!! obviously if Demcocrats supported capitalism they would not support Obamacare.

See why we are 1000% sure a liberal will be dead slow?? Is any other explanation possible???

You're retarded. Obamacare is designed to insure a large portion of the population, who, otherwise, would be uninsured, at the expense of insurance companies, drug companies and providers who overcharge for their services and products, and thereby "reeling in" the vulgar and exorbitant costs which are actually breaking the system, which have the aforementioned industries, "lobbying their asses off", to the Parliament of Whores, that is Congress (especially, the Republican Congress).
Find where liberals are opposed to Capitalism.

 

[poet]

You didn't even look at the link? It's the definitive source for the history of Jefferson. Of course you didn't...

But don't worry Eddie, I certainly don't need your money and you clearly could not get by without it.

Next time though, don't let your big mouth write checks your ass can't cash. Making stupid bets like this when you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I understand that you are not a native American, so I get it that you might be unaware of the well known details of the Jefferson-Hemmings relationship, but those of us who studied American history are well aware of those details, and do not look down on THAT relationship any more than we do the one between Thaddeus Stevens and Lydia Smith. The two men were both great Americans and the color of their lovers' skins means nothing to most of us.... Certainly not me.

And only the sounds of crickets chirping, as Eddie slinks away breathing a sigh of relief that he didn't have to join the welcher's club along with Liability!

Shortly after the DNA test results were released in November 1998, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation formed a research committee consisting of nine members of the foundation staff, including four with Ph.D.s. In January 2000, the committee reported that the weight of all known evidence--from the DNA study, original documents, written and oral historical accounts, and statistical data--indicated a high probability that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Eston Hemings, and that he was likely the father of all six of Sally Hemings's children listed in Monticello records--Harriet (born 1795; died in infancy); Beverly (born 1798); an unnamed daughter (born 1799; died in infancy); Harriet (born 1801); Madison (born 1805); and Eston (born 1808).

Since then, a committee commissioned by the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society, after reviewing essentially the same material, reached different conclusions, namely that Sally Hemings was only a minor figure in Thomas Jefferson's life and that it is very unlikely he fathered any of her children. This committee also suggested in its report, issued in April 2001 and revised in 2011, that Jefferson's younger brother Randolph (1755-1815) was more likely the father of at least some of Sally Hemings's children.

BS. Documentation? Evidence? Links? Sources?

 

[Dragonlady]

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism.

How does Thomas Jefferson's affair with Sally Hemmings, which is well document, in any way smear Jefferson or undermine America's founders? A lot of the founding fathers owned slaves and it was standard practice for slave owners to "pleasure" themselves with slave women. That's why there were so many "light-skinned" slaves, which were favoured as house slaves in southern households. Jefferson was a man of his time.

I think that knowing that Jefferson cared for a black woman, had children with her and freed those children, speaks very highly of Jefferson as a man and in no way undermines him.

Only a racist would view this as a smear.

 

[expatriate]

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism.

How does Thomas Jefferson's affair with Sally Hemmings, which is well document, in any way smear Jefferson or undermine America's founders? A lot of the founding fathers owned slaves and it was standard practice for slave owners to "pleasure" themselves with slave women. That's why there were so many "light-skinned" slaves, which were favoured as house slaves in southern households. Jefferson was a man of his time.

I think that knowing that Jefferson cared for a black woman, had children with her and freed those children, speaks very highly of Jefferson as a man and in no way undermines him.

Only a racist would view this as a smear.

Bravo Dragonlady! My thoughts exactly! Ed seems perfectly willing to excuse Tom's ownership of other humans, but balks at interracial romance. Racist indeed!

 

[Mr Natural]

you asserted Thomas had sex with Sally. I said I'd bet you $10,000 you don't have proof. You refused to take the bet so in effect you were smearing Jefferson as part of the treasonous liberal campaign to undemine America's founders and the country they created to make way for socialism.

How does Thomas Jefferson's affair with Sally Hemmings, which is well document, in any way smear Jefferson or undermine America's founders? A lot of the founding fathers owned slaves and it was standard practice for slave owners to "pleasure" themselves with slave women. That's why there were so many "light-skinned" slaves, which were favoured as house slaves in southern households. Jefferson was a man of his time.

I think that knowing that Jefferson cared for a black woman, had children with her and freed those children, speaks very highly of Jefferson as a man and in no way undermines him.

Only a racist would view this as a smear.

Bravo Dragonlady! My thoughts exactly! Ed seems perfectly willing to excuse Tom's ownership of other humans, but balks at interracial romance. Racist indeed!

Special Ed and his kind believe that American slavery was the best thing to happen to Africans.

 

[Dragonlady]

Special Ed and his kind believe that American slavery was the best thing to happen to Africans.

Yes, it helped keep African American families together, including those children who were fathered by their owner or his male family members, when they repeated raped their favourite female slaves. And except when the master sold one or both of the parents and kept the kids. But I digress.

 

[Mr Natural]

Special Ed and his kind believe that American slavery was the best thing to happen to Africans.

Yes, it helped keep African American families together, including those children who were fathered by their owner or his male family members, when they repeated raped their favourite female slaves. And except when the master sold one or both of the parents and kept the kids. But I digress.

But, but, but . . .

It brought them here to America where they could bask in the wonders of republican capitalism.

(After they paid their dues, of course.)