Does the Constitution guarantee Americans a right to privacy?

[fncceo]

I think we agree as long as it's understood that probable cause must precede arrest or search, and of course any additional illicit items discovered thereafter may serve to further incriminate one.

I was just addressing the belief that there can be no search without a warrant.

 

[Rigby5]

The government can never legitimately violate inherent rights. Oxymoron. Their free expression or acquisition can be legitimately suspended in cases of emergency. But such suspensions are not punitive or permanent, and the prohibition against falsely yelling fire in a theater, for example, entails the endangerment of others' lives and property.

Sure government can legitimately violate inherent rights if necessary in order to prevent you from violating the rights of others.
For example, you have a right to life, but the police can legally shoot you dead if you are violating the rights of others by being a bank robber.

 

[meaner gene]

It turns out that if you were to deliberately infect volunteers under 40, and quarantine those over 70, then you get a lethality 400 times lower.
Then the lethality is only 0.0025.
So instead of Fauci's 2.4 million, the reality would have been only 6,000.

Complete nonsense. Since it takes those under 40 to care for those over 70 you want to isolate.
You can't isolate them, if their caregivers are infected on purpose.

 

[Rigby5]

More than 125 years of history and law show otherwise. I'll stick with the facts rather than baseless theories.

Wrong.
The US started really as more a theocracy than anything else, and the government has always illegally criminalized behavior religious extremists did not like. Such as alcohol.
The states were like Pennsylvania and Connecticut were based on particular religions.
The US also had no problem with slavery, women and poor not being allowed to vote, etc., so was not just bigoted over religion, but also race, sex, wealth, etc.
Much of law in the US is illegal.
In fact, we had an effective form of slavery in the US until the end of school segregation, and it still lingers.

 

[Ringtone]

I was just addressing the belief that there can be no search without a warrant.

Okay. Yeah, of course, one may be searched without a warrant.

 

[Rigby5]

Yeah, but really, you have to use a different part of the Constitution other than the ninth. No one takes that one seriously anymore after the Federal Government nullified it.

Rape laws are based on the right of privacy, and yet there is no mention of privacy in the Constitution, so there obviously has to be far more individual rights than the constitution mentions.
In fact, they are infinite.

 

[Rigby5]

Drugs do harm others as do illegals crossing the border? These aren’t victimless crimes.

How are drugs not victimless?
Wealthy people to risky drugs legally all the time, like skydiving, skiing, scuba, jet skis, etc.
There are lots of people who die getting their legal adrenaline high, like Sonny Bono and a Kennedy who killed themselves skiing.
The only difference with chemical drugs is that the poor can't afford the legal drugs.
If drugs were legalized, then all the accidental deaths, shootings, etc. would end.
So it is the police who are responsible for all the deaths from drugs, not the drugs themselves.

 

[Rigby5]

Except not how the real world works. Right?

Yes, our sense of morals, right/wrong, legal/illegal, all come from our DNA.
If we had evolved as predators instead of prey, then murder would be natural and legal to us.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Trump called the political response to COVID, the "democratic hoax".

A detailed timeline of all the ways Trump failed to respond to the coronavirus

The federal coronavirus response shows a president dead set on avoiding responsibility for the pandemic.

www.vox.com

Kamala lied in the debate, it all started with her.

Trump and the 'New Hoax' - FactCheck.org

President Donald Trump accused the Democrats of "politicizing" the new coronavirus, calling it "their new hoax." Even after Trump explained his remarks, some Democrats -- including Mike Bloomberg -- continued to wrongly accuse Trump of describing the coronavirus as a "hoax."

www.factcheck.org

 

[Rigby5]

The societal wreckage we pay for every day for everything from low birth weight and addicted babies to the crimes addicts commit to support their habits is directly caused by illicit drugs and is a huge burden on every taxpayer in the country.

If drugs were legal, then it would not be hard for people who realize they are addicted, to get medical help to end the addiction.
It is making drugs illegal that cause all of the harmful side effects of drugs.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

How are drugs not victimless?
Wealthy people to risky drugs legally all the time, like skydiving, skiing, scuba, jet skis, etc.
There are lots of people who die getting their legal adrenaline high, like Sonny Bono and a Kennedy who killed themselves skiing.
The only difference with chemical drugs is that the poor can't afford the legal drugs.
If drugs were legalized, then all the accidental deaths, shootings, etc. would end.
So it is the police who are responsible for all the deaths from drugs, not the drugs themselves.

Adrenaline isn't an illegal drug and those activities are far less risky than the dope user's are buying on the street.

Poor people can get a "runner's high" for noting so your entire argument is a joke.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

If drugs were legal, then it would not be hard for people who realize they are addicted, to get medical help to end the addiction.
It is making drugs illegal that cause all of the harmful side effects of drugs.

There are potentially deadly consequences of using prescription and even OTC drugs as well.

Most intentional suicides by drug employ prescription drugs legally obtained at a pharmacy.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

If drugs were legal, then it would not be hard for people who realize they are addicted, to get medical help to end the addiction.
It is making drugs illegal that cause all of the harmful side effects of drugs.

Legality is irrelevant to recognizing you're an addict.

Actually it's even easier to do so with illicit drugs since you know you're risking prison every time you buy them.

 

[Rigby5]

It's certainly in direct contravention to the Organic Laws of the United States.

The laws in the US are not at all Organic, but arbitrary edicts dictating the actions of others.
For example, not letting ex-felons vote is taxation without representation.
Gun control laws in a country based on violent armed rebellion, is irrational and hypocritical.
Obviously rebellions are not a one time need, and becomes necessary on a regular cycle.

 

[Ringtone]

Sure government can legitimately violate inherent rights if necessary in order to prevent you from violating the rights of others.
For example, you have a right to life, but the police can legally shoot you dead if you are violating the rights of others by being a bank robber.

Stopping a person who constitutes an ongoing criminal threat by whatever means are available and necessary would not be an instance wherein that person's rights were being violated in the first place. Criminality is not an inherent right. But you're just pulling on my leg, right?

 

[fncceo]

Rape laws are based on the right of privacy

No, rape is a form of assault. Sexual assault.

 

[Big Bend Texas]

Yes, our sense of morals, right/wrong, legal/illegal, all come from our DNA.
If we had evolved as predators instead of prey, then murder would be natural and legal to us.

Murder and assault are as natural as breeding for humans and they were quite common throughout most of our history in attaining women for that reason.

Morality developed over time as humans agreed to basic rules to live by most of which require us to override our natural instincts.

Being able to do so is the primary behavioral difference between us and Wild Animals.

There's absolutely no evidence supporting your DNA claim and it's utterly ignorant ridiculous and flies in the face of human history.,

 

[Rigby5]

Largely correct but some foods you cannot even legally possess in the US due to USDA import restrictions.

Which is totally illegal.
The feds have no right to prevent imports, from foods to prescription drugs.
There is no legal basis for the FDA, BATF, DEA, Homeland Security, etc.

 

[HandleTheTruth]

I just got told by a Republican running for Governor of Nevada that we do not....Tom Heck.

Which out he might have a pocket sized construction in his pocket and can't resight the when document.

 

[Rigby5]

That's just it, returning abortion to the states where it rightfully belongs isn't going to remove our privacy rights.

We simply don't' have an unrestricted right to abortion on demand, at any time, for any reason or no reason at all.

All we have to do now is that each state will set the limits where they feel appropriate and if the legislatures and governors are far out of step with their constituents, there's going to be a huge flushing in the next election.

Personally I hope the final opinion goes further than the leaked one setting clear limits on when abortions may be performed and why under the basis that every successful abortion kills at least one innocent human being completely overturning the whole notion of "personhood" of the unborn excusing AOD.

States have no authority over abortion at all either.
Where would they get it from?
States have no standing.
There is no one being harmed who is asking for the states to protect them.