DOJ: No Miranda rights

He won't get any Miranda warning for 48 hours.

"High value detainee group" to do the first questioning.
 
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Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

There are no Miranda ‘rights,’ there is the Miranda Warning.

And Dzhokar Tsaranev still retains his 5th Amendment right to not self-incriminate; he can keep his mouth shut and not say a word to investigators from the outset.

If he should say anything, however, it will still be admissible in court, absent the Warning.
 
He will get his mirandas before he is questioned. Miranda warnings have nothing to do with arrest. Only questioning. That's why the start out with the right to remain silent.

Oh for Pete's sake.

I guess this is your day to pretend to be an attorney?

You're wrong about this case. maybe you should go back to one of your other professions.

Somebody that was wrong about this is now overjoyed that another person repeats the same mistake.
 
ABC news just now


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Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

There are no Miranda ‘rights,’ there is the Miranda Warning.

And Dzhokar Tsaranev still retains his 5th Amendment right to not self-incriminate; he can keep his mouth shut and not say a word to investigators from the outset.

If he should say anything, however, it will still be admissible in court, absent the Warning.

Wrong again, why do you pretend you know what you are talking about? Once a person is in custody, which this man obviously, he has to be warned about his rights or anything he says is inadmissible. This is the way the courts handle the situation, even though there is a law that states that authorities can question someone without the warning. This has never been challenged, so the law is still on the books, but I doubt it will hold up in court.

That does not prevent the authorities from question him and not using the evidence they gather against him. For example, they can ask if there were other people involved, and if he was part of a group. It isn't like they don't have pictures of him dropping the actual bomb, and all they could use is what he says.
 
ABC news just now


ON EDIT: (took me till 9:43 to get link up)

Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

There are no Miranda ‘rights,’ there is the Miranda Warning.

And Dzhokar Tsaranev still retains his 5th Amendment right to not self-incriminate; he can keep his mouth shut and not say a word to investigators from the outset.

If he should say anything, however, it will still be admissible in court, absent the Warning.

OK. Here is a new phraseology for ya... :tongue:

President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr believe, under some circumstances, American citizens taken into custody have no right to standard miranda warnings.

(and I'm still assuming the law they advocated in 2010 went into effect)

Miranda v. Arizona: An Overview and Discussion Questions

The Court held that “there can be no doubt that the Fifth Amendment privilege is available outside of criminal court proceedings and serves to protect persons in all settings in which their freedom of action is curtailed in any significant way from being compelled to incriminate themselves.” As such, “the prosecution may not use statements, whether exculpatory or inculpatory, stemming from custodial interrogation of the defendant unless it demonstrates the use of procedural safeguards effective to secure the privilege against self-incrimination. By custodial interrogation, we mean questioning initiated by law enforcement officers after a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way.”

The Court further held that “without proper safeguards the process of in-custody interrogation of persons suspected or accused of crime contains inherently compelling pressures which work to undermine the individual’s will to resist and to compel him to speak where he would otherwise do so freely.” Therefore, a defendant “must be warned prior to any questioning that he has the right to remain silent, that anything he says can be used against him in a court of law, that he has the right to the presence of an attorney, and that if he cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for him prior to any questioning if he so desires
 
ABC news just now


ON EDIT: (took me till 9:43 to get link up)

Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

There are no Miranda ‘rights,’ there is the Miranda Warning.

And Dzhokar Tsaranev still retains his 5th Amendment right to not self-incriminate; he can keep his mouth shut and not say a word to investigators from the outset.

If he should say anything, however, it will still be admissible in court, absent the Warning.

OK. Here is a new phraseology for ya... :tongue:

President Obama and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr believe, under some circumstances, American citizens taken into custody have no right to standard miranda warnings.

(and I'm still assuming the law they advocated in 2010 went into effect)

Miranda v. Arizona: An Overview and Discussion Questions

The Court held that “there can be no doubt that the Fifth Amendment privilege is available outside of criminal court proceedings and serves to protect persons in all settings in which their freedom of action is curtailed in any significant way from being compelled to incriminate themselves.” As such, “the prosecution may not use statements, whether exculpatory or inculpatory, stemming from custodial interrogation of the defendant unless it demonstrates the use of procedural safeguards effective to secure the privilege against self-incrimination. By custodial interrogation, we mean questioning initiated by law enforcement officers after a person has been taken into custody or otherwise deprived of his freedom of action in any significant way.”

The Court further held that “without proper safeguards the process of in-custody interrogation of persons suspected or accused of crime contains inherently compelling pressures which work to undermine the individual’s will to resist and to compel him to speak where he would otherwise do so freely.” Therefore, a defendant “must be warned prior to any questioning that he has the right to remain silent, that anything he says can be used against him in a court of law, that he has the right to the presence of an attorney, and that if he cannot afford an attorney one will be appointed for him prior to any questioning if he so desires

I find it mind bogglingly stupid that people that discuss politics, and present themselves as an authority on various subjects, don't remember that happened less than 3 years ago.
 
I think we scared them away QW.

Unless perhaps they ventured to another thread to advocate the drone bombing of American citizens who are suspected of crime. :tongue:
 
The "public safety exception" to the Miranda rule arises from a SCOTUS case entitled NEW YORK v. QUARLES, 467 U.S. 649 (1984).

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

The facts of that case were that the police were provided with a description of a rape suspect who had a gun. Police locate suspect at grocery store. No gun. Police question subject about location of gun without Miranda warning. Suspect tells police location of gun. Gun found.

SCOTUS held that a "public safety exception" is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger. In this case the threat may be the existence of other unexploded bombs or the like... The more removed temporally from the initial crime, the less likely it is for the exception to be valid... additionally, the statements obtained must otherwise be voluntary and not coerced. See Chavez v. Martinez, 538 U.S. 760 (2003)
 
The "public safety exception" to the Miranda rule arises from a SCOTUS case entitled NEW YORK v. QUARLES, 467 U.S. 649 (1984).

FindLaw | Cases and Codes

The facts of that case were that the police were provided with a description of a rape suspect who had a gun. Police locate suspect at grocery store. No gun. Police question subject about location of gun without Miranda warning. Suspect tells police location of gun. Gun found.

SCOTUS held that a "public safety exception" is triggered when police officers have an objectively reasonable need to protect the police or the public from immediate danger. In this case the threat may be the existence of other unexploded bombs or the like... The more removed temporally from the initial crime, the less likely it is for the exception to be valid... additionally, the statements obtained must otherwise be voluntary and not coerced. See Chavez v. Martinez, 538 U.S. 760 (2003)

Originally it's right there in the Constitution.

Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution

“No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”

You correctly cite, as far as I know an expansion (or outright creation) of the "public safety exception" but do not address it's further expansion by the Obama administration in 2010.

Obama and Holder have been no great friends of the first, second or fifth amendments.
 
ABC news just now


ON EDIT: (took me till 9:43 to get link up)

Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

The Miranda Rights reading is now a case-by-case basis now it seems. Sad, but at one point of time, all citizens had to be read their rights if their were going to be tried in court.
 
ABC news just now


ON EDIT: (took me till 9:43 to get link up)

Boston Bomb Suspect Captured Alive in Backyard Boat - ABC News

A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately without having Miranda rights issued to him.

The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will be responsible for questioning him.

The Miranda exemption exists to protect the public safety from another attack, according to the official.

The Miranda Rights reading is now a case-by-case basis now it seems. Sad, but at one point of time, all citizens had to be read their rights if their were going to be tried in court.

I believe huge majorities of Americans would stand and fight at the prospect of losing major rights every other year or so. However, few will even make a peep as we lose them piecemeal year to year regardless of the party in power.
 
Folks, clearly many of you do not understand how Miranda works.

Miranda Rights and When Police Should Read Them

That was a great article!! After reading that article I too was unaware of when a person had to be read their rights. Now I know that only when a person is under arrest, and being questioned, does the Miranda warning have to said. And this was made in effort to protect the 5th Amendment. Great read, and I would recommend it to all.
 
Folks, clearly many of you do not understand how Miranda works.

Miranda Rights and When Police Should Read Them

The question at hand is not it's proper application, the open question is it's changing use and a less stringent application being applied to an American.

Obama administration withholds suspect?s Miranda rights?for now ? MSNBC

According to NBC News, authorities could have as much as 48 hours to question Tsarnaev, an American citizen, before reading him his rights. That would be a far wider window than has been used in previous cases of suspected terrorism.

The “public safety exception” to Miranda has existed since 1984, when the Supreme Court ruled that police could question a suspect without reading his rights about possible immediate threats. But in 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder expanded the exception to include questioning when “the government’s interest in obtaining…intelligence outweighs the disadvantages of proceeding with unwarned interrogation.” The memo was written after the Obama administrtaion came under criticism from Republicans who claimed the White House wasn’t being aggressive on terrorism cases.

This could very well be an important test case for the "public safety exception" and it's expanded use by the Obama administration.

Some folks say... :eusa_whistle:

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev and Miranda Rights: The public safety exception and terrorism cases. - Slate Magazine

...in October of 2010, Holder’s Justice Department took it upon itself to widen the exception to Miranda beyond the Supreme Court’s 1984 ruling. “Agents should ask any and all questions that are reasonably prompted by an immediate concern for the safety of the public or the arresting agents,” stated a DoJ memo to the FBI that wasn’t disclosed at the time. Again, fine and good. But the memo continues, “there may be exceptional cases in which, although all relevant public safety questions have been asked, agents nonetheless conclude that continued unwarned interrogation is necessary to collect valuable and timely intelligence not related to any immediate threat, and that the government's interest in obtaining this intelligence outweighs the disadvantages of proceeding with unwarned interrogation.”

This clearly echo's the governments absurd "imminent does not mean immediate" in regards to the use of drone strikes. Again, we are talking about a chipping away of rights not slash and burn, but it still matters.
 
He will get his Miranda rights....again and again

And on film

No. No he won't.

And no, he shouldn't, either.

The public safety exception or the so-called "exigency" exception covers this situation nicely.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

In the WORST case scenario, if he does not get Miranda warnings before he gets questioned and provides answers, then a judge COULD suppress the use of such statements made by him as evidence against him at trial.

Which raises the question, "so fucking what?"

I am SURE he can get convicted on whatever criminal charges they lodge against him based on the very same information that was used to ascertain who he was, what his involvement was and what he did and how he did it.

The point of questioning him to GET answers is not to get more evidence to use against him at some trial. It is to get information to PREVENT him or any possible others in his "cell" or group (if there are any others) from doing another such bombing or act of terrorism. The POINT is to save lives.
 
The important thing is that this guy gets promptly prosecuted in the standard civilian court system. No indefinite detention without charges, no military tribunal kangaroo courts.
 
Without Miranda the suspect can give the LEO information that it needs without compromising his rights.
 

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