Domination

[JoeB131]

FDR was an evil man who slowly walked this country into a war. I'm not saying that Japan didn't deserve to get nuked but it is a fact that FDR pushed for war as far back as 1936 just like a lot of other politicians. A lot of other countries might of thought that his tough talk meant he was gearing up for war which might have esculated the situation. This was not a good person and not a man of peace.

No one was pushing for war in 1936.

 

[PoliticalChic]

2. ... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the NationalSocialistGerman Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?"

Except it really wasn't socialism after a certain point. That point was during the Night of the Long Knives when Hitler eliminated Roehm and the SA and other "revolutionary" elements within the NSDAP and cooperated with the military and industrialists. So oddly, the Krupps and the other big industries in Germany were suddenly totally good with Hitler.

Another big admirer of Hitler was Henry Ford, one of the bastions of American Capitalism.

Washingtonpost.com: Ford and GM Scrutinized for Alleged Nazi Collaboration

"Except it really wasn't socialism after a certain point."

Wrong again.

Seems I must always provide the education you've missed.


"....that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government.
For it wasthe German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.


De facto government ownership of the means of production... was logically implied by such fundamental collectivist principles embraced by the Nazis as that the common good comes before the private good and the individual exists as a means to the ends of the State. If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too, of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State, his property is also owned by the State."
Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian



Obamunists do exactly the same thing via regulation.

."Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving

 

[JoeB131]

Do you notice it continues with it's crackpot screeds even after the first part with the fraudulent quotes has been debunked? It's like one of those weird robots.

or maybe..

 

[PoliticalChic]

8. Now....that domination imperative that one sees in every form of collectivism: socialism, communism, Fascism, Progressivism, Nazism, and modern Liberalism...


...what are the phases that lead to total control?


Military domination...armed slaughter by communist armies is just the first phase. Next, everyone must either become communist...or be killed.


a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981




b. As one of his friends later recalled, "Vladimir Ilych Ulyanov (Lenin) had the courage to come out and say openly that famine would have numerous positive results...Famine, he explained....would bring about the next stage more rapidly, and usher in socialism, the stage that necessarily followed capitalism. Famine would also destroy faith, not only in the tsar, but in God, too."
The Black Book of Communism, p.123-124.





9. For a population to be so....contained, and so altered from its traditions, there must be large numbers who are weak, or cowards, uneducated, and/or bribed with status, employment, or power.
One can see examples in this thread....they try to rebut documented, linked, sourced material with the usual Liberal 'is not, is nnnoootttttt!'


One can easily see the value in controlling the schools and the mass media.
"Bread and circus," or entitlements and the Superbowl, can be very successful, and attractive seductions.





In America it followed a different course, but still built on fear.

And, under Franklin Roosevelt, his purposeful extending of the Depression for a decade instilled fear in enough of the population to allow him to alter the nation's fabric wholesale.


“People were left with the feeling that massive economic contractions could occur at any moment, without warning, without cause. That fear has been exploited ever since as the major justification for virtually unlimited federal intervention in economic affairs.”
Alan Reynolds, “What Do We Know About the Great Crash?” National Review, November 9, 1979, p. 1416.



"....unlimited federal intervention...."
....in every form of collectivism: socialism, communism, Fascism, Progressivism, Nazism, and modern Liberalism...

 

[JoeB131]

You see, she can't help herself. She's like the BircherBot 2000.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You see, she can't help herself. She's like the BircherBot 2000.

You must hate the way I destroy you with facts and linked documentation.

Sad how little history you know.

But....bet you learn quite a bit from my posts, huh?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Losing elections is not tyranny. Get over it.

Your comment is an affirmation of the above described tenets of liberalism/socialism/progressivism.
Your side is anti freedom, anti liberty, and anti individual.
Your side bases all of it's ideology on what is best for 'the group'..In other words you people are collectivists.
Your side is entangled in an irrational belief that emotion rather than logic is the path by which we should be governed.
That individual rights and freedoms are roadblocks to the leftist agenda of 'we feel sorry for...'

 

[SuperDemocrat]

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Name me one American who admits they are racist. They don't. We get the same affect when asking Americans if they wish for dictatorship. They won't openly admit to it but you can see it in their pattern of behavior.




1. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

So unless a liberal supports dictatorship, he or she cannot be a Socialist?

Now, what did I teach you about the proper usage of "So.." at the start of a sentence?

Sorry..but you get another failing grade.

Since I just proved that you can't name any American liberals who support dictatorship, I don't really give a fuck what crackpot notions about grammar and usage you have .

 

[SuperDemocrat]

FDR was an evil man who slowly walked this country into a war. I'm not saying that Japan didn't deserve to get nuked but it is a fact that FDR pushed for war as far back as 1936 just like a lot of other politicians. A lot of other countries might of thought that his tough talk meant he was gearing up for war which might have esculated the situation. This was not a good person and not a man of peace.

No one was pushing for war in 1936.

OMG!

 

[thereisnospoon]

1. A perusal of any of the Leftist movements will reveal that all have 'domination' of their fellow citizens as their goal.

The term itself means....
a.Control or power over another or others.

b.The exercise of such control or power.
The Free Dictionary

That domination is produced, largely, via indoctrination...but just as regularly, by genocide, slaughter, government enforced famine, and by bullets.....followed by indoctrination of those who survive.



2. In modern times, whether communism, socialism, Marxism, Nazism, Progressivism, or modern Liberalism.......the view can be traced to Hegel, and to Marx.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”


b. We can find the very same view under Franklin Roosevelt's reign, heard in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.” From a speech delivered on the Senate floor May 14, 1943
Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism




To see a very different view, one traditionally American....hear the echo of Henry David Thoreau: “There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.” Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience,




3. To the view that every individual must bow to the collective, Karl Marx added murder as an inducement:

"Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.


Yet, note how many have been trained to accept subjugation, and domination.
65 million American voted for the latest iteration of totalitarian governance....the one currently in the White House.

Then perhaps, instead of the goofy, simplistic, binary, cartoonish, embarrassing, absolutist silliness the public is now getting from the party, the GOP could instead choose to offer the electorate a clear, bold, inspiring, intelligent, specific, mature, and positive vision for the future of America.

For a change.

Just an idea.
.

Such people no longer exist.
The term you may be looking for is 'statesman'....
Unfortunately we no longer see those who care not for their political careers, but for the country FIRST. Those willing to make decisions for the good of the nation no matter the cost to their tenure in politics.
There is a reason why terms for members of the House. The idea was to serve for a few terms then go home and let the next person have the job.
In my opinion political office has become far too lucrative. The pay for Senators and House members is absurdly high. The perks far too enjoyable. Then there is the opportunities available to former members. The lobbying firms that loom in every hallway of the Capitol Building are just dying to offer a job to a fmr member of Congress. Then there are the speaking fees, the advances extended by book publishers...These politicians have no shame. They will milk every last ounce of goodies for themselves....It's disgusting

 

[PoliticalChic]

Collectivists....especially those wishing to be dictators....stick together, as in Roosevelt's support of Bolshevik Stalin.



10. And this:

...the Roosevelt and the Truman administrations aided Mao Zedong in his victory over nationalist Chiang Kai-Shek....although a case can be made that neither President knew he was being manipulated by Stalin, Mao made clear that he had intentions to consume other nations, such as Tibet.


The communist take-over of Tibet bears similarities with the communist takeover of the United States: it marked the oppression of tradition and religion.


"In November 1949, [Tibet] sent a letter to the US State Department and a copy to Mao Zedong, and a separate letter to Great Britain, declaring its intent to defend itself "by all possible means" against PRC [Communist China's] troop incursions into Tibet.... Because Tibet was unlikely to voluntarily give up its de facto independence, Mao in December 1949 ordered that preparations be made to march into Tibet."
Incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



October 7, 1950, "...units of the Chinese so-called People’s Liberation Army crossed the River Yangtze into Kham, the eastern province of Tibet in the foothills of the Himalayas. Varying estimates put their numbers at 40,000 or more than 80,000, but either way they were in overwhelming strength. The invasion had been planned in detail by Deng Xiaoping, a future Chinese premier, and two other senior Communist officials in China’s Southwest Military Region."
The Chinese Invade Tibet | History Today





Of course, typical imperialism and invasion by totalitarians.....but military domination is only the beginning. It is followed by the sort of societal oppression Orwell identified in "1984."

Tradition and religion must be eradicated. As must be individualism. Tibet is exemplary in that connection.....and, to the astute, a roadmap of the same in America.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, Children, this is what happens when you let a Mail Order Bride take on line philosophy classes from the University of Phoenix. The resulting spew of crazy is amusing to watch.

I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies she can call "Socialism". There were plenty of genocides that were done in the name of "Freedom" and "Capitalism" that were just as bad, such as the genocide of Native Americans on this continent or the genocide of aborigines in Australia....

But to the point, without even bothering to track down all of her misattributed quotes,

You know like this one..

Marx and damned made-up quotes

Sorry, Marx never said that.

But even leaving that one alone. The fact is, human beings have a history of being pretty damned shitty to each other. To single out one philosophy and then try to conflate it into the source of all evil is pretty dishonest.

No it isn't.....Marx, Lenin and Hitler......There are 150 million bodies.
The thing that crawls up your ass about this is, the article is spot on..Realizing this, you retort with "yeah but your guys did it too"......
Just own it and shut up...

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, Children, this is what happens when you let a Mail Order Bride take on line philosophy classes from the University of Phoenix. The resulting spew of crazy is amusing to watch.

I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies she can call "Socialism". There were plenty of genocides that were done in the name of "Freedom" and "Capitalism" that were just as bad, such as the genocide of Native Americans on this continent or the genocide of aborigines in Australia....

But to the point, without even bothering to track down all of her misattributed quotes,

You know like this one..

Marx and damned made-up quotes

Sorry, Marx never said that.

But even leaving that one alone. The fact is, human beings have a history of being pretty damned shitty to each other. To single out one philosophy and then try to conflate it into the source of all evil is pretty dishonest.

"I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies(sic) she can call "Socialism".(sic)


That's because you never studied history .....or philosophy.
I have.

Now...here, again, I'll provide the direction that is so lacking in your education:

"Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.

Marx didn't say that, nor did he mean that.

Marx was a GOOD GUY....Yeah, ok...
How anyone with an ounce of integrity can stand up for one of history's most evil despots is a mystery.

 

[SuperDemocrat]

How come whenever it is pointed out that people were mass murdered under communist russia the left seems to get defensive. Why can't we all just agree that mass murder is a bad thing instead of trying to defend it in some way. The left constantly acts as if we are accusing them of something which makes me wonder where their ideological home is sometimes.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, Children, this is what happens when you let a Mail Order Bride take on line philosophy classes from the University of Phoenix. The resulting spew of crazy is amusing to watch.

I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies she can call "Socialism". There were plenty of genocides that were done in the name of "Freedom" and "Capitalism" that were just as bad, such as the genocide of Native Americans on this continent or the genocide of aborigines in Australia....

But to the point, without even bothering to track down all of her misattributed quotes,

You know like this one..

Marx and damned made-up quotes

Sorry, Marx never said that.

But even leaving that one alone. The fact is, human beings have a history of being pretty damned shitty to each other. To single out one philosophy and then try to conflate it into the source of all evil is pretty dishonest.

"I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies(sic) she can call "Socialism".(sic)


That's because you never studied history .....or philosophy.
I have.

Now...here, again, I'll provide the direction that is so lacking in your education:

"Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.

Even your pal Jonah Goldberg says Socialism and Communism are not the same.

Is he wrong?

Who cares. Both ideologies are enemies to freedom, liberty, individual rights, achievement, success, private property and rights to some semblance to privacy
Socialism is just "communist lite"..Both ideologies have as part of their core, the eventual formation of an elite ruling class that has absolute power to make all decisions. And each also owes its base to collectivism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How come whenever it is pointed out that people were mass murdered under communist russia the left seems to get defensive. Why can't we all just agree that mass murder is a bad thing instead of trying to defend it in some way. The left constantly acts as if we are accusing them of something which makes me wonder where their ideological home is sometimes.

Because the Liberals, Progressives, Democrats are exactly like the mass murderers, in that they just shrug when it's brought up.

When the fact that communists murdered 100 million souls is brought up...the just sneer....like this:

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yes, Children, this is what happens when you let a Mail Order Bride take on line philosophy classes from the University of Phoenix. The resulting spew of crazy is amusing to watch.

I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies she can call "Socialism". There were plenty of genocides that were done in the name of "Freedom" and "Capitalism" that were just as bad, such as the genocide of Native Americans on this continent or the genocide of aborigines in Australia....

But to the point, without even bothering to track down all of her misattributed quotes,

You know like this one..

Marx and damned made-up quotes

Sorry, Marx never said that.

But even leaving that one alone. The fact is, human beings have a history of being pretty damned shitty to each other. To single out one philosophy and then try to conflate it into the source of all evil is pretty dishonest.

"I'm not sure how she gets genocide is unique to all the political philopshies(sic) she can call "Socialism".(sic)


That's because you never studied history .....or philosophy.
I have.

Now...here, again, I'll provide the direction that is so lacking in your education:

"Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.

Even your pal Jonah Goldberg says Socialism and Communism are not the same.

Is he wrong?

Who cares. Both ideologies are enemies to freedom, liberty, individual rights, achievement, success, private property and rights to some semblance to privacy
Socialism is just "communist lite"..Both ideologies have as part of their core, the eventual formation of an elite ruling class that has absolute power to make all decisions. And each also owes its base to collectivism.

You see, she can't help herself. She's like the BircherBot 2000.

You must hate the way I destroy you with facts and linked documentation.

Sad how little history you know.

But....bet you learn quite a bit from my posts, huh?

if you've ever had the misfortune of reading Joe B's tribulations in his working career and personal battles, you'd see and angry irrational emoting individual that will literally fly off the handle at the mere mention of a few choice words.
One such term would be "capitalist" ..Another would be "profit"......And another "competition".....And "merit"..
Please do yourself a service by taking JoeB, an admitted former GOP voter, comments with the due notice to which they are entitled

 

[thereisnospoon]

That's because you never studied history .....or philosophy.
I have.

Well, my degree comes from a real university and not an on-line one like yours.

But I digress.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

Marx and damned made-up quotes

First, the date of this made-up quote is wrong. There is no article dated “April 16, 1856”. The part of this made-up quote: “The classes and the races too weak to master the new conditions of life must give way…” originates from the article “Forced emigration”[3] which was written on March 4, 1853.

The second “sentence” from the made-up quote which states: “They must perish in the revolutionary Holocaust” can’t be found in any Marx’s article and the term “holocaust” can’t be found anywhere in the collected Marx-Engels works. Simply, it’s a fabrication of these anti-cultural-Marxists who think that everyone else is stupid (such blockheads like them who quote unread works) so they can be mislead to accredit in this slander directed against Marx. However, there are people who in every instant can check the authenticity of every quote from Marx’s or Engels’ work because these people have at their disposal all the works of these thinkers in 46 volumes (Serbian-Croatian edition, Prosveta, Beograd).

Your degree?....HA...
Oh, and since when does one's presence in a classroom in a building marked "________ University", and populated by a bunch of left wing radicals make any difference. A degree is a degree as long as one does the work.
Half the kids that attend these schools don't go to class but perhaps a couple times a week. They get their work on line....Why the hell do you think these kids are required to have lap tops and tablets?....Facebook?

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. A perusal of any of the Leftist movements will reveal that all have 'domination' of their fellow citizens as their goal.

The term itself means....
a.Control or power over another or others.

b.The exercise of such control or power.
The Free Dictionary

That domination is produced, largely, via indoctrination...but just as regularly, by genocide, slaughter, government enforced famine, and by bullets.....followed by indoctrination of those who survive.



2. In modern times, whether communism, socialism, Marxism, Nazism, Progressivism, or modern Liberalism.......the view can be traced to Hegel, and to Marx.

a. The Germans have a history of embracing authoritarian rule. As the German philosopher Hegel said, “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”


b. We can find the very same view under Franklin Roosevelt's reign, heard in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor: “[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.” From a speech delivered on the Senate floor May 14, 1943
Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism




To see a very different view, one traditionally American....hear the echo of Henry David Thoreau: “There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.” Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience,




3. To the view that every individual must bow to the collective, Karl Marx added murder as an inducement:

"Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first." George Watson.


Yet, note how many have been trained to accept subjugation, and domination.
65 million American voted for the latest iteration of totalitarian governance....the one currently in the White House.

What is the standard rate for a dominatrix??

Develop some self-respect and you'll no longer require such services.

I was just wondering what you made an hour...

I would beat you like a red-headed step-child......for free!

 

[thereisnospoon]

1. A perusal of any of the Leftist movements will reveal that all have 'domination' of their fellow citizens as their goal.

You're back, nice

I didn't bother to read your entire spam but let me guess... socialists, communists, liberals, nazis etc. are all the same and totally evil. It all started with that commie FDR and it has been going downhill ever since, only homeschooling and Ayn Rand can save the homeland according to the goddess Coulter and the visionary with alzheimers, St Ronnie.

And you're still clueless about what socialism actually is

Socialism is SHIT...It has never worked as intended. And it is POISON to the individual.
Socialism is based on emotions and bereft of logic and reason.