Dominionists run for highest office in US

[Quantum Windbag]

I think it's already quite clear I won't, however we're on a message board discussing religion so I'm going to discuss a religious figure, pretty simple.

Do you agree with her that gays are part of Satan?

My beliefs about the gay issue have been clearly stated on here many times in the past, and this discussion isn't about me, it's about presidential candidates that are 'dimionists'. Why would my opinion on gays matter to you or anyone else one way or the other, I'm not running for office. Of course, you can always ask Sky, she can lie to you and tell you what my beliefs are.

No I'm not gonna ask Sky, I'll ask you and watch you deflect and provide a non-answer.


It's an anonymous message board, don't be scared to post your opinion.



Do you agree with Bachmann that gays are part of Satan?

Bachmann did not say gays are a part of Satan, she said that using the Term gay to describe homosexuals is a part of Satan.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Mainstream religious people recognized Perry's extremist prayer rally and responded like this:

From the Anti-Defamation League and Houston Clergy Council:

One of Houston’s greatest strengths is its religious diversity. As part of the Anti-Defamation League’s Coalition for Mutual Respect, we are keenly sensitive to the fact that Houstonians may pray differently or not pray at all. We cherish the fact that we can pray freely in our own way, because our founding fathers wisely envisioned and provided for a nation grounded in the principle of separation of church and state. This freedom from government imposed religion allows all religions to flourish in our democratic society. It is with this thought in mind that we express our concern that Governor Rick Perry has called for a full day of exclusionary prayer on August 6, 2011. This religious event is not open to all faiths, as its statement of beliefs does not represent religious diversity.

Governor Perry has a constitutional duty to treat all Texans equally regardless of race, religion or ethnicity. His official involvement with the Response at minimum violates the spirit of that duty. By his actions, Governor Perry is expressing an official message of endorsement of one faith over all others; thereby sending an official message of religious exclusion and preference to all Texans who do not share that faith. We believe our religious freedom is threatened when a government official promotes religion, especially one religion over all others. We urge our elected leaders, who have the privilege of representing us, to practice their own religion as they choose without seeking to impose their beliefs on others or using their official offices to divide citizens along religious lines. They should be role models for all Americans, and can be by honoring and respecting our constitutional freedoms.

In June, the Houston Clergy Council released a statement decrying Perry for organizing the rally with the AFA and rebuffing “Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape”:

We believe in a healthy boundary between church and state. Out of respect for the state, we believe that it should represent all citizens equally and without preference for religious or philosophical tradition. Out of respect for religious communities, we believe that they should foster faithful ways of living without favoring one political party over another. Keeping the church and state separate allows each to thrive and upholds our proud national tradition of empowering citizens to worship freely and vote conscientiously. We are concerned that our governor has crossed the line by organizing and leading a religious event rather than focusing on the people’s business in Austin.

We also express concern that the day of prayer and fasting at Reliant Stadium is not an inclusive event. As clergy leaders in the nation’s fourth largest city, we take pride in Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape. Our religious communities include Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Unitarian Universalists, and many other faith traditions. Our city is also home to committed agnostics and atheists, with whom we share common cause as fellow Houstonians. Houston has long been known as a “live and let live” city, where all are respected and welcomed. It troubles us that the governor’s prayer event is not open to everyone. In the publicized materials, the governor has made it clear that only Christians of a particular kind are welcome to pray in a certain way. We feel that such an exclusive event does not reflect the rich tapestry of our city.

Our deepest concern, however, lies in the fact that funding for this event appears to come from the American Family Association, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The American Family Association and its leadership have a long track record of anti-gay speech and have actively worked to discriminate against the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community. The American Family Association and its leadership have also been stridently anti-Muslim, going so far as to question the rights of Muslim Americans to freely organize and practice their faith. We believe it is inappropriate for our governor to organize a religious event funded by a group known for its discriminatory stances.

As religious leaders, we commit to join with all Houstonians in working to make our city a better place. We will lead our communities in prayer, meditation, and spiritual practice. We ask that Rick Perry leave the ministry to us and refocus his energy on the work of governing our state.
Interfaith clergy speak out against Perry's prayer rally

The ADL is a lot of things, but it is not a mainstream religious group.

 

[BDBoop]

Bachmann did not say gays are a part of Satan, she said that using the Term gay to describe homosexuals is a part of Satan.

However, she DID go on to say

She added: ‘If you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage.

'Personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement. And that's why this is so dangerous.’

 

[Sky Dancer]

Mainstream religious people recognized Perry's extremist prayer rally and responded like this:

From the Anti-Defamation League and Houston Clergy Council:

One of Houston’s greatest strengths is its religious diversity. As part of the Anti-Defamation League’s Coalition for Mutual Respect, we are keenly sensitive to the fact that Houstonians may pray differently or not pray at all. We cherish the fact that we can pray freely in our own way, because our founding fathers wisely envisioned and provided for a nation grounded in the principle of separation of church and state. This freedom from government imposed religion allows all religions to flourish in our democratic society. It is with this thought in mind that we express our concern that Governor Rick Perry has called for a full day of exclusionary prayer on August 6, 2011. This religious event is not open to all faiths, as its statement of beliefs does not represent religious diversity.

Governor Perry has a constitutional duty to treat all Texans equally regardless of race, religion or ethnicity. His official involvement with the Response at minimum violates the spirit of that duty. By his actions, Governor Perry is expressing an official message of endorsement of one faith over all others; thereby sending an official message of religious exclusion and preference to all Texans who do not share that faith. We believe our religious freedom is threatened when a government official promotes religion, especially one religion over all others. We urge our elected leaders, who have the privilege of representing us, to practice their own religion as they choose without seeking to impose their beliefs on others or using their official offices to divide citizens along religious lines. They should be role models for all Americans, and can be by honoring and respecting our constitutional freedoms.

In June, the Houston Clergy Council released a statement decrying Perry for organizing the rally with the AFA and rebuffing “Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape”:

We believe in a healthy boundary between church and state. Out of respect for the state, we believe that it should represent all citizens equally and without preference for religious or philosophical tradition. Out of respect for religious communities, we believe that they should foster faithful ways of living without favoring one political party over another. Keeping the church and state separate allows each to thrive and upholds our proud national tradition of empowering citizens to worship freely and vote conscientiously. We are concerned that our governor has crossed the line by organizing and leading a religious event rather than focusing on the people’s business in Austin.

We also express concern that the day of prayer and fasting at Reliant Stadium is not an inclusive event. As clergy leaders in the nation’s fourth largest city, we take pride in Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape. Our religious communities include Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Unitarian Universalists, and many other faith traditions. Our city is also home to committed agnostics and atheists, with whom we share common cause as fellow Houstonians. Houston has long been known as a “live and let live” city, where all are respected and welcomed. It troubles us that the governor’s prayer event is not open to everyone. In the publicized materials, the governor has made it clear that only Christians of a particular kind are welcome to pray in a certain way. We feel that such an exclusive event does not reflect the rich tapestry of our city.

Our deepest concern, however, lies in the fact that funding for this event appears to come from the American Family Association, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The American Family Association and its leadership have a long track record of anti-gay speech and have actively worked to discriminate against the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community. The American Family Association and its leadership have also been stridently anti-Muslim, going so far as to question the rights of Muslim Americans to freely organize and practice their faith. We believe it is inappropriate for our governor to organize a religious event funded by a group known for its discriminatory stances.

As religious leaders, we commit to join with all Houstonians in working to make our city a better place. We will lead our communities in prayer, meditation, and spiritual practice. We ask that Rick Perry leave the ministry to us and refocus his energy on the work of governing our state.
Interfaith clergy speak out against Perry's prayer rally

The ADL is a lot of things, but it is not a mainstream religious group.

ADL fights anti-semitism. Jews mostly certainly are a mainstream religious group.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Bachmann did not say gays are a part of Satan, she said that using the Term gay to describe homosexuals is a part of Satan.

However, she DID go on to say

She added: ‘If you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage.

'Personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement. And that's why this is so dangerous.’

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Mainstream religious people recognized Perry's extremist prayer rally and responded like this:

From the Anti-Defamation League and Houston Clergy Council:

One of Houston’s greatest strengths is its religious diversity. As part of the Anti-Defamation League’s Coalition for Mutual Respect, we are keenly sensitive to the fact that Houstonians may pray differently or not pray at all. We cherish the fact that we can pray freely in our own way, because our founding fathers wisely envisioned and provided for a nation grounded in the principle of separation of church and state. This freedom from government imposed religion allows all religions to flourish in our democratic society. It is with this thought in mind that we express our concern that Governor Rick Perry has called for a full day of exclusionary prayer on August 6, 2011. This religious event is not open to all faiths, as its statement of beliefs does not represent religious diversity.

Governor Perry has a constitutional duty to treat all Texans equally regardless of race, religion or ethnicity. His official involvement with the Response at minimum violates the spirit of that duty. By his actions, Governor Perry is expressing an official message of endorsement of one faith over all others; thereby sending an official message of religious exclusion and preference to all Texans who do not share that faith. We believe our religious freedom is threatened when a government official promotes religion, especially one religion over all others. We urge our elected leaders, who have the privilege of representing us, to practice their own religion as they choose without seeking to impose their beliefs on others or using their official offices to divide citizens along religious lines. They should be role models for all Americans, and can be by honoring and respecting our constitutional freedoms.

In June, the Houston Clergy Council released a statement decrying Perry for organizing the rally with the AFA and rebuffing “Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape”:

We believe in a healthy boundary between church and state. Out of respect for the state, we believe that it should represent all citizens equally and without preference for religious or philosophical tradition. Out of respect for religious communities, we believe that they should foster faithful ways of living without favoring one political party over another. Keeping the church and state separate allows each to thrive and upholds our proud national tradition of empowering citizens to worship freely and vote conscientiously. We are concerned that our governor has crossed the line by organizing and leading a religious event rather than focusing on the people’s business in Austin.

We also express concern that the day of prayer and fasting at Reliant Stadium is not an inclusive event. As clergy leaders in the nation’s fourth largest city, we take pride in Houston’s vibrant and diverse religious landscape. Our religious communities include Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Sikhs, Unitarian Universalists, and many other faith traditions. Our city is also home to committed agnostics and atheists, with whom we share common cause as fellow Houstonians. Houston has long been known as a “live and let live” city, where all are respected and welcomed. It troubles us that the governor’s prayer event is not open to everyone. In the publicized materials, the governor has made it clear that only Christians of a particular kind are welcome to pray in a certain way. We feel that such an exclusive event does not reflect the rich tapestry of our city.

Our deepest concern, however, lies in the fact that funding for this event appears to come from the American Family Association, an organization labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The American Family Association and its leadership have a long track record of anti-gay speech and have actively worked to discriminate against the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender community. The American Family Association and its leadership have also been stridently anti-Muslim, going so far as to question the rights of Muslim Americans to freely organize and practice their faith. We believe it is inappropriate for our governor to organize a religious event funded by a group known for its discriminatory stances.

As religious leaders, we commit to join with all Houstonians in working to make our city a better place. We will lead our communities in prayer, meditation, and spiritual practice. We ask that Rick Perry leave the ministry to us and refocus his energy on the work of governing our state.
Interfaith clergy speak out against Perry's prayer rally

The ADL is a lot of things, but it is not a mainstream religious group.

ADL fights anti-semitism. Jews mostly certainly are a mainstream religious group.

Some of them. That does not change the fact that the ADL is neither religious nor mainstream.

 

[BDBoop]

Bachmann did not say gays are a part of Satan, she said that using the Term gay to describe homosexuals is a part of Satan.

However, she DID go on to say

She added: ‘If you're involved in the gay and lesbian lifestyle, it's bondage.

'Personal bondage, personal despair and personal enslavement. And that's why this is so dangerous.’

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

However, she DID go on to say

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

DO you mind that Obama spent 20 years in a racist hate whitey church?

 

[del]

The ADL is a lot of things, but it is not a mainstream religious group.

ADL fights anti-semitism. Jews mostly certainly are a mainstream religious group.

Some of them. That does not change the fact that the ADL is neither religious nor mainstream.

what color is the sky on your home planet, slick?

 

[Salt Jones]

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

DO you mind that Obama spent 20 years in a racist hate whitey church?

So do the majority of black christians.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

DO you mind that Obama spent 20 years in a racist hate whitey church?

So do the majority of black christians.

Most Black Churches do not teach what Obama's church taught. Though if we are to believe Obama he never heard a word of it, guess he was asleep in the pews?

 

[Salt Jones]

DO you mind that Obama spent 20 years in a racist hate whitey church?

So do the majority of black christians.

Most Black Churches do not teach what Obama's church taught. Though if we are to believe Obama he never heard a word of it, guess he was asleep in the pews?

Yes they do. Do you realize that Obama wasn't the first choice of most black voters? It was Hillary Clinton. Obama was considered to "white", not real. When the Rev. Wright issue came up it proved that Obama was a real black man and his support soared in the black community.
What Rev Wright said is said every sunday in the majority of black churches in America.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

However, she DID go on to say

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

Explain what makes her beliefs radical. Better yet, explain exactly what differentiates them from Obama's beliefs.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

ADL fights anti-semitism. Jews mostly certainly are a mainstream religious group.

Some of them. That does not change the fact that the ADL is neither religious nor mainstream.

what color is the sky on your home planet, slick?

Do you have any idea what the ADL keeps track of? They have a list of rock bands they call hate groups, another list of websites, all of which they label as right wing and hate groups, and even says that the number 666 is a hate symbol because "According to certain interpretations of the Christian Bible, this is the mark that Satan gives to his allies so that they can avoid the punishment meted out to Christians who refuse to abandon their faith during the Tribulation. This symbol is also used to symbolize Satan or evil."

Hate Number Symbols: 666 - From A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

If you think that is mainstream the sky on your planet is the one that is not blue.

 

[Newby]

So since you view being gay as a sin but don't judge, would your answers be you view homosexual life as less moral than heterosexual life but disagree with Bachmann in terms of it being part of Satan?

Nope, as I said above, sin is sin, there is no one that's greater than another. We all sin. As far as it being 'part of Satan', I guess it's all in how you look at it, the Bible says that Satan is the great deceiver, and will attempt to tempt and lead you to do sinful things. So, in that regard, all sin is following Satan. So, I don't think you can pick and choose which ones are of Satan, and which ones are not. Therefore, that would make us all following Satan to a certain degree since we all sin.

Thank you for clarifying that you think homosexuality is "satanic". There is nothing "satanic" in the love my wife and I have shared these last 26 years.

There was nothing "satanic" in my father.

Since you apparently need everything explained to you in simpler terms, I believe I just called everyone satanic, since I clarified that sin is satanic, or comes from Satan, and WE ALL sin. I also clarified that all sin is the same in the eyes of God. Therefore, gay's sin isn't any better or any worse than anyone else's sin, they just don't try to turn away from it like others do. So take you're over emotional bullshit and shove it.

 

[Newby]

However, she DID go on to say

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

It's your opinion that it's 'radical', it's your opinion that 'she has no business in the highest office in the land'. Guess what? I hold the same opinion about the idiot currently residing there, and I didn't vote for him. You are free to do the same with Bachmann. The fact that you have to politically tear her apart for her religous beliefs says more about you than it does about her.

 

[Dr.Drock]

That's funny.

The party you vote for, republicans, is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too liberal for me.

Really? Then why is that Paul quote in your signature? Keynes has been proven utterly wrong.

Would you view Paul as a good representative of the republican party?


He's a fiscal conservative, the republican party pisses on the ideals of fiscal conservatism.

 

[BDBoop]

Nope, as I said above, sin is sin, there is no one that's greater than another. We all sin. As far as it being 'part of Satan', I guess it's all in how you look at it, the Bible says that Satan is the great deceiver, and will attempt to tempt and lead you to do sinful things. So, in that regard, all sin is following Satan. So, I don't think you can pick and choose which ones are of Satan, and which ones are not. Therefore, that would make us all following Satan to a certain degree since we all sin.

Thank you for clarifying that you think homosexuality is "satanic". There is nothing "satanic" in the love my wife and I have shared these last 26 years.

There was nothing "satanic" in my father.

Since you apparently need everything explained to you in simpler terms, I believe I just called everyone satanic, since I clarified that sin is satanic, or comes from Satan, and WE ALL sin. I also clarified that all sin is the same in the eyes of God. Therefore, gay's sin isn't any better or any worse than anyone else's sin, they just don't try to turn away from it like others do. So take you're over emotional bullshit and shove it.

So since all have sinned and continue to sin, why is everybody aiming their ammo at "teh gays?"

 

[BDBoop]

Can you discuss Christian doctrine rationally? If not, I am not even going to attempt to discuss this.

Apparently not? She said what she said. She believes it. She has no business in the highest office in the land, with her radical belief system.

It's your opinion that it's 'radical', it's your opinion that 'she has no business in the highest office in the land'. Guess what? I hold the same opinion about the idiot currently residing there, and I didn't vote for him. You are free to do the same with Bachmann. The fact that you have to politically tear her apart for her religous beliefs says more about you than it does about her.

No, it really doesn't. You think christian is a christian is a christian, and you're dead wrong. That's like saying Muslim fundamentalis represent all fundamentalists. It's bullshit, and it's bullshit on both sides of the equation.

 

[Newby]

Thank you for clarifying that you think homosexuality is "satanic". There is nothing "satanic" in the love my wife and I have shared these last 26 years.

There was nothing "satanic" in my father.

Since you apparently need everything explained to you in simpler terms, I believe I just called everyone satanic, since I clarified that sin is satanic, or comes from Satan, and WE ALL sin. I also clarified that all sin is the same in the eyes of God. Therefore, gay's sin isn't any better or any worse than anyone else's sin, they just don't try to turn away from it like others do. So take you're over emotional bullshit and shove it.

So since all have sinned and continue to sin, why is everybody aiming their ammo at "teh gays?"

Couldn't really tell you, you'd have to ask the ones that do it.