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Nah, it's never the guilty that gets it.Let's hope it's Jim Acosta.
It's always the innocent.
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Nah, it's never the guilty that gets it.Let's hope it's Jim Acosta.
English dude, we speak English here.Clearing up the Stalin quote.............period.........the term once used by Stalin...........That was the article......Are you trying to say that trump didn't say the press is the enemy of the poeple? ''Cause he did at his rally last week.the term once used............is what the article stated...............wasn't quoting Trump.............it referenced him..........And Adolf Hitler.. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.Lol, you didn't even read it.
Just think.
Stalin
Hitler
Trump
All use the same playbook.
Let me repeat...........the term once used............out of context of the article bro to claim Trump said that..........derp
I was arguing about the Stalin quote ...........others were saying Trump quoted Stalin.....I was using their own article against them.................why I made these comments.English dude, we speak English here.Clearing up the Stalin quote.............period.........the term once used by Stalin...........That was the article......Are you trying to say that trump didn't say the press is the enemy of the poeple? ''Cause he did at his rally last week.the term once used............is what the article stated...............wasn't quoting Trump.............it referenced him..........And Adolf Hitler.. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.
Just think.
Stalin
Hitler
Trump
All use the same playbook.
Let me repeat...........the term once used............out of context of the article bro to claim Trump said that..........derp
So you aren't trying to say tRump didn't call the press the enemy?
Lol, so all of this was so you could say tRump paraphrased Stalin instead of directly quoting him?I was arguing about the Stalin quote ...........others were saying Trump quoted Stalin.....I was using their own article against them.................why I made these comments.English dude, we speak English here.Clearing up the Stalin quote.............period.........the term once used by Stalin...........That was the article......Are you trying to say that trump didn't say the press is the enemy of the poeple? ''Cause he did at his rally last week.the term once used............is what the article stated...............wasn't quoting Trump.............it referenced him..........And Adolf Hitler.
Just think.
Stalin
Hitler
Trump
All use the same playbook.
Let me repeat...........the term once used............out of context of the article bro to claim Trump said that..........derp
So you aren't trying to say tRump didn't call the press the enemy?
No. It is not a fact. No more then comparing Trump to Hitler. That is the problem here, we are so divided we can’t remotely see how silly are own side is being.Be VERY SPECIFIC and link to a story by Fox that called Obama or Hillary Hitler Stalin or pol pot? Link to a story by fox that called for mobs to follow and attack members of Obama's government?When reporters are in such a hurry that they do not check sources, check spelling, check grammar then they need to slow down and look at their work. When they spin headlines for the biggest impact with little to no regard for the truth, they may want to look at their work. When they run a story on the front page or at the top of every half hour then bury the retraction on a short, quick second in the middle of the night or on the page under help wanted, they might want to look at their work. When you refuse to cover news that might reflect well on the president or put it with something that may detract from that news, they might want to look at their work. When they spend hours and acres of column comparing the president to Hitler, Stalin and others they may want to look at their work. When they applaud someone being fired for a tweet yet hire or defend someone for the same type of tweet they may want to look at their work.
The left always points out that this or that person on the right did something wrong yet defends or laughs off when someone points out the left.
I totally agree with your first paragraph.
But how come you never notice when someone on the right does this - you only point out the left? How did Fox cover Obama for example? How did they treat Clinton?
Playing the Nazi Card
Fox News Radio’s Tom Sullivan played a side-by-side comparison of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech (2/11/08), and Clear Channel’s Bill Cunningham, who has made similar comparisons (10/28/08), declared on his Cincinnati-based radio show (10/30/08) that “Jews [were] for McCain because Obama wants to gas the Jews, like the PLO wants to gas the Jews, like the Nazis gassed the Jews.” (The website of the group Media Matters, which extensively monitors right-wing electronic media, documents many of these examples.) Ann Coulter, as a guest on Hannity and Colmes (4/3/08), called Obama’s autobiography a “dime store Mein Kampf.” When Alan Colmes asked her if Obama was a “two-bit Hitler,” Coulter agreed. Colmes then asked: “We should be as wary of Obama as they should have been of Hitler in Nazi Germany?” Coulter admonished, “If only people had read Mein Kampf.”
The host of ABC Network’s Mark Levin Show (12/16/09) called the healthcare plan “Hitleresque.” Nothing new for Levin, who has been comparing Obama to Hitler since the campaign (10/29/08): “[Obama’s] really into these big German-like events that he creates in this country.”
You do realize that Tom Sullivan is about as middle of the road as you can get. If you have never listened to his show I suggest you do. As far as the obummer hitler comparison, they were eerily alike. That is a fact. I don't remember why he did the comparison, but I remember the show.
Would you care to point to any congress man or woman that told their constituents to hound 44 or Clinton, harass them in public? Can you show me where any reputable publication called either one Hitler, Stalin?When reporters are in such a hurry that they do not check sources, check spelling, check grammar then they need to slow down and look at their work. When they spin headlines for the biggest impact with little to no regard for the truth, they may want to look at their work. When they run a story on the front page or at the top of every half hour then bury the retraction on a short, quick second in the middle of the night or on the page under help wanted, they might want to look at their work. When you refuse to cover news that might reflect well on the president or put it with something that may detract from that news, they might want to look at their work. When they spend hours and acres of column comparing the president to Hitler, Stalin and others they may want to look at their work. When they applaud someone being fired for a tweet yet hire or defend someone for the same type of tweet they may want to look at their work.
The left always points out that this or that person on the right did something wrong yet defends or laughs off when someone points out the left.
I totally agree with your first paragraph.
But how come you never notice when someone on the right does this - you only point out the left? How did Fox cover Obama for example? How did they treat Clinton?
Care to point me to a link where a congress person or ex CIA, exFBI compared any of their policies to the KristalKnacht or the Hollicost?
the underlying question is - does trump have a valid complaint against the media? i certainly think so. hillary can come out in a moomoo to hide medical issues, fall onto her face looking drunk, and obama can declare war on FOX news and conservative journalists and the left didn't care.Show us all the American Reporters getting killed by Trump Rhetoric............hmmm.More journalists get killed then kill people. They are getting killed and jailed in record numbers around the world. They hold government and power accountable, often at great personal risk. Dictators and authoritarians HATE independent media. Something to think about. We should be very concerned about these attacks on media.
2018 World Press Freedom Index | Reporters Without Borders
RSF Index 2018: Hatred of journalism threatens democracies
The 2018 World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders (RSF), reflects growing animosity towards journalists. Hostility towards the media, openly encouraged by political leaders, and the efforts of authoritarian regimes to export their vision of journalism pose a threat to democracies.
The climate of hatred is steadily more visible in the Index, which evaluates the level of press freedom in 180 countries each year. Hostility towards the media from political leaders is no longer limited to authoritarian countries such as Turkey (down two at 157th) and Egypt (161st), where “media-phobia” is now so pronounced that journalists are routinely accused of terrorism and all those who don’t offer loyalty are arbitrarily imprisoned.
More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracy’s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index under Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.
The line separating verbal violence from physical violence is dissolving. In the Philippines (down six at 133rd), President Rodrigo Duterte not only constantly insults reporters but has also warned them that they “are not exempted from assassination.” In India (down two at 138th), hate speech targeting journalists is shared and amplified on social networks, often by troll armies in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pay. In each of these countries, at least four journalists were gunned down in cold blood in the space of a year.
Verbal violence from politicians against the media is also on the rise in Europe, although it is the region that respects press freedom most. In the Czech Republic (down 11 at 34th), President Milos Zeman turned up at a press conference with a fake Kalashnikov inscribed with the words “for journalists.” In Slovakia, (down 10 at 27th), then Prime Minister Robert Fico called journalists “filthy anti-Slovak prostitutes” and “idiotic hyenas.” A Slovak reporter, Ján Kuciak, was shot dead in his home in February 2018, just four months after another European journalist, Daphne Caruana Galizia, was killed by a targeted car-bombing in Malta (down 18 at 65th).
“The unleashing of hatred towards journalists is one of the worst threats to democracies,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Political leaders who fuel loathing for reporters bear heavy responsibility because they undermine the concept of public debate based on facts instead of propaganda. To dispute the legitimacy of journalism today is to play with extremely dangerous political fire.”
Journalists are being targeted and killed.
If the article is true then you should be able to show the dead..........waiting..........
Nice BS piece.........comparing him to Stalin........how typical.
What are you talking about? Are you denying journalists are being killed? Trump's rhetoric doesn't help.
I didn't compare him to Stalin. TRUMP USED STALIN'S WORDS. Don't you get it?
trump eats 2 scoops of icecream or has fried chicken, CNN is demonizing him.
trump is far from perfect and rambles like grandpa simpson at times. he certainly does however poke the media and they poke back. we're long past chicken/egg on which came first and who started it - both sides need to grow up. what has made this escalate is google and supporters of hillary in 2016 went into overdrive on fake news. sharyl attkisson did a huge piece on it to find out where todays version of it came from - there we go. alphabet co (owns google) and a hillary doner started spreading fake news.
the left has a MUCH better relationship with the media to be sure but the media is very left focused anyway. they seem to work to find bad things to say about trump. if trump were as bad as the media makes him out to be, why do you have to work at it and lie about him?
when sanders was confronting acosta and told him about the attacks on her - what did the media do? the wapo came out and called her a liar with some "Fact Checks" saying she was never threatened to be choked. the actual verbiage was "wring her neck".
you tell me if we're splitting hairs here so we can call HER the liar. they did that to her on every statement - found a little niche to hide behind and dove in head first to call sanders a liar.
FAKE NEWS - she didn't lie at any point in what she said but she was made out to be a liar anyway.
is that fair? is that honest? is that what we want out of our media?
i agree this has gotten way out of hand but we have to look back at obama starting the war on fox news and then privately going after conservative journalists while saying NO I AM NOT to a far too willing to believe crowd. at least trump owns his actions, good or bad.
i wish both sides would stop the extreme bullshit and concentrate on supporting each other. but right now not enough people want that. they want to be RIGHT at any and all costs regardless of whether or not they really are. so - use fake news to make you feel better about your own hate and call out fake news to anything that counters how you wish things to be.
fake news is getting to be the new race card.
Fox is in trouble thenTrump says the fake news is the enemy of the people, not all reporters. The fake news deserves everything it gets.Trump and his followers fail to understand that there is a difference between precise criticism of a reporter and saying as a group the press is the enemy of the people. If there is a story that hurts Trump's considerable yet fragile ego, he could do one of two the nags. He could deal with that specific reporter, his/her employer concentrating no on that specific story. Or, alternatively, he could act as an adult would act, respect the dignity of the office of the president of the United States and move on.
But painting journalism with a broad brush and saying journalists start wars and are dangerous begs unwarranted attacks on journalists.
Journalism can be and deserves to be criticized. But criticizing journalism as a group is wholly irresponsible.
Hey, no one sent the stupid people into harms way, this was their own idea, not Trumps.With the things he is saying to a base that is full of several conspiracy nutjobs, Trump is going to get a journalist killed, and then what? He is going to be sued for everything he owns, and he should be found guilty for it. MSNBC reporter Katy Tur reported this week how someone wrote her saying she should be raped and killed, followed by MAGA. We've already seen what Trump's supporters are capable of when one who believed Alex Jones Pizzagate shot up Comet Ping-Pong Pizza. It is the JOB of the news to hold the government and its official responsible for what they say and do. When Trump blatantly lies every couple of minutes, it is the media's job to point it out. The founders of the U.S. put the freedom of the press into the very first Amendment of the Constitution for a reason, it is fundamentally imperative to having a true democracy.
James Madison very clearly stated this when he wrote:
"A popular Government without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy, or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own Governors, must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."
A couple from Thomas Jefferson who wrote the Constitution:
"I am ... for freedom of the press, and against all violations of the Constitution to silence by force and not by reason the complaints or criticisms, just or unjust, of our citizens against the conduct of their agents."
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. The functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty and property of their constituents. There is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. Where the press is free, and every man able to read, all is safe."
So self-proclaimed Constitutional Conservatives, why are you not defending the Constitution and the forethought of those who took part in creating it? Why are you still backing Trump who obviously isn't respecting the glue that put this country together? And before you say the press is lying and not reporting the truth, please educate yourself, as the Founders knew there would always be press that would explore the fringe of truth. They said that ALL press must still be protected by the Constitution, because once you start taking away the freedom of the press from some you feel is being untruthful, it becomes subjective and the freedom of press as a whole will suddenly be at risk.
So now a single crazed person, who commits a horrific act, is representative of the person he supports and the entire left? Really?After seeing the crazy angry left smash windows and torch cars on inauguration day and threaten the President with everything from arson to assault and murder and threaten the Press Secretary with kidnapping not to mention a Sanders supporter democrat activist trying to murder every republican on a baseball team the crazy left whines that "the president is going to get a journalist killed"? You gotta be kidding. It might be more accurate to say that a journalist might get the President killed.
then i would say we agree. yes the right wing does this and looks for reasons to put her down. as does the left to trump. as for YOUR right wing media - where have i EVER laid claim to either side? i think anyone that is looking for how to demonize someone will find it, period. does that make the person bad?the underlying question is - does trump have a valid complaint against the media? i certainly think so. hillary can come out in a moomoo to hide medical issues, fall onto her face looking drunk, and obama can declare war on FOX news and conservative journalists and the left didn't care.Show us all the American Reporters getting killed by Trump Rhetoric............hmmm.More journalists get killed then kill people. They are getting killed and jailed in record numbers around the world. They hold government and power accountable, often at great personal risk. Dictators and authoritarians HATE independent media. Something to think about. We should be very concerned about these attacks on media.
2018 World Press Freedom Index | Reporters Without Borders
RSF Index 2018: Hatred of journalism threatens democracies
The 2018 World Press Freedom Index, compiled by Reporters Without Borders (RSF), reflects growing animosity towards journalists. Hostility towards the media, openly encouraged by political leaders, and the efforts of authoritarian regimes to export their vision of journalism pose a threat to democracies.
The climate of hatred is steadily more visible in the Index, which evaluates the level of press freedom in 180 countries each year. Hostility towards the media from political leaders is no longer limited to authoritarian countries such as Turkey (down two at 157th) and Egypt (161st), where “media-phobia” is now so pronounced that journalists are routinely accused of terrorism and all those who don’t offer loyalty are arbitrarily imprisoned.
More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracy’s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index under Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.
The line separating verbal violence from physical violence is dissolving. In the Philippines (down six at 133rd), President Rodrigo Duterte not only constantly insults reporters but has also warned them that they “are not exempted from assassination.” In India (down two at 138th), hate speech targeting journalists is shared and amplified on social networks, often by troll armies in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pay. In each of these countries, at least four journalists were gunned down in cold blood in the space of a year.
Verbal violence from politicians against the media is also on the rise in Europe, although it is the region that respects press freedom most. In the Czech Republic (down 11 at 34th), President Milos Zeman turned up at a press conference with a fake Kalashnikov inscribed with the words “for journalists.” In Slovakia, (down 10 at 27th), then Prime Minister Robert Fico called journalists “filthy anti-Slovak prostitutes” and “idiotic hyenas.” A Slovak reporter, Ján Kuciak, was shot dead in his home in February 2018, just four months after another European journalist, Daphne Caruana Galizia, was killed by a targeted car-bombing in Malta (down 18 at 65th).
“The unleashing of hatred towards journalists is one of the worst threats to democracies,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Political leaders who fuel loathing for reporters bear heavy responsibility because they undermine the concept of public debate based on facts instead of propaganda. To dispute the legitimacy of journalism today is to play with extremely dangerous political fire.”
Journalists are being targeted and killed.
If the article is true then you should be able to show the dead..........waiting..........
Nice BS piece.........comparing him to Stalin........how typical.
What are you talking about? Are you denying journalists are being killed? Trump's rhetoric doesn't help.
I didn't compare him to Stalin. TRUMP USED STALIN'S WORDS. Don't you get it?
trump eats 2 scoops of icecream or has fried chicken, CNN is demonizing him.
trump is far from perfect and rambles like grandpa simpson at times. he certainly does however poke the media and they poke back. we're long past chicken/egg on which came first and who started it - both sides need to grow up. what has made this escalate is google and supporters of hillary in 2016 went into overdrive on fake news. sharyl attkisson did a huge piece on it to find out where todays version of it came from - there we go. alphabet co (owns google) and a hillary doner started spreading fake news.
the left has a MUCH better relationship with the media to be sure but the media is very left focused anyway. they seem to work to find bad things to say about trump. if trump were as bad as the media makes him out to be, why do you have to work at it and lie about him?
when sanders was confronting acosta and told him about the attacks on her - what did the media do? the wapo came out and called her a liar with some "Fact Checks" saying she was never threatened to be choked. the actual verbiage was "wring her neck".
you tell me if we're splitting hairs here so we can call HER the liar. they did that to her on every statement - found a little niche to hide behind and dove in head first to call sanders a liar.
FAKE NEWS - she didn't lie at any point in what she said but she was made out to be a liar anyway.
is that fair? is that honest? is that what we want out of our media?
i agree this has gotten way out of hand but we have to look back at obama starting the war on fox news and then privately going after conservative journalists while saying NO I AM NOT to a far too willing to believe crowd. at least trump owns his actions, good or bad.
i wish both sides would stop the extreme bullshit and concentrate on supporting each other. but right now not enough people want that. they want to be RIGHT at any and all costs regardless of whether or not they really are. so - use fake news to make you feel better about your own hate and call out fake news to anything that counters how you wish things to be.
fake news is getting to be the new race card.
Right there in your first paragraph...your rightwing media is doing to Clinton exactly what you claim is done to Trump. And there is zero facts on any health problems. In fact they went after Hillary demonizing her relentlessly.
and this is a good point. i do believe a vast majority of media is trying to stay neutral as best they can but those stories don't get the hits. but the ones who shout out the extreme verbiage on all sides are the ones people pay the most attention to right now, unfortunately. we look for people to prop up our views, not if our views need to be examined themselves.So now a single crazed person, who commits a horrific act, is representative of the person he supports and the entire left? Really?After seeing the crazy angry left smash windows and torch cars on inauguration day and threaten the President with everything from arson to assault and murder and threaten the Press Secretary with kidnapping not to mention a Sanders supporter democrat activist trying to murder every republican on a baseball team the crazy left whines that "the president is going to get a journalist killed"? You gotta be kidding. It might be more accurate to say that a journalist might get the President killed.
And exactly HOW is a journalist responsible?
Can you apply that illogic to your own side? How about the guy who tried to gun down a pizza place because he believed the claims about Dems and Pizza Gate?
Portland police were accused Sunday of being heavy-handed against people protesting a rally by extreme-right demonstrators, reportedly injuring some counter-protesters and prompting the city’s new police chief to order a review of officers’ use of force.
Saturday’s clashes were the most recent of several this year in the city as right-wing militants converged, met by counter-protesters, including members of anti-fascist, or “antifa,” groups.
Saturday’s incidents started with demonstrators aligned with Patriot Prayer and an affiliated group, the Proud Boys, gathering in a riverfront park. The Proud Boys has been characterized as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is “dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.”
Patriot Prayer also has held rallies in many other cities around the U.S. West, including Berkeley, California, that have drawn violent reactions.
Gibson disputed the group’s classification as a hate group.
“We’re here to promote freedom and God. That’s it,” Gibson told Portland TV station KGW. “Our country is getting soft.”
So now a single crazed person, who commits a horrific act, is representative of the person he supports and the entire left? Really?
And exactly HOW is a journalist responsible?
Can you apply that illogic to your own side? How about the guy who tried to gun down a pizza place because he believed the claims about Dems and Pizza Gate?
"The Left"? How many were out there shooting at those Republicans?The Left thought it was a good idea to shoot Republicans on a baseball field.
You win the most violent award...